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Gertner 04-12-2009 12:17 PM

Is Vickie Guerrero the best heel is wrestling?
 
Nobody gets booed louder, and her character is so obnoxious and annoying that she's probably the most over heel in the business.

Who would have thought she'd even be around 4 years ago when she first debuted.

Mr. Nerfect 04-12-2009 12:31 PM

It's borderline ridiculous, actually. I still think the WWE could bring out "Fire Vickie" shirts and make a bundle. Or shirts that said "Excuse Me!"

Gertner 04-12-2009 12:33 PM

I 100% agree. They could make a friggen fortune.

Sixx 04-12-2009 12:37 PM

It would be much harder to hate her if she was hot. So the Vickie choise was a good one I believe.

Stickman 04-12-2009 12:39 PM

Does she get heel heat or XPAC heat? I thought she was booed cuz she sucks.

Hornicane 04-12-2009 12:42 PM

I'm pretty sure she gets both of these as well as entirely new types of heat we're not yet able to comprehend.

I mean seriously, it's friggin' ridiculous the heat she gets.

GD 04-12-2009 12:43 PM

She got promoted to Raw. She's doing something right.

thedamndest 04-12-2009 01:07 PM

She gets "Woman in Power" heat. Steph used to get it when she was part of of the McMahon Helmsley Regime and Women's champion. She made her voice more annoying and her only positive quality was that she was hot, but it was balanced out by the fact that she was with HHH. Vickie is not hot and has the voice and is the Woman in Power so it's the Perfect Storm.

Mr. Nerfect 04-12-2009 01:11 PM

I actually mark out for the heat Vickie Guerrero gets.

Jeritron 04-12-2009 01:36 PM

It's great.

James Steele 04-12-2009 02:15 PM

EXCUSE ME!

Somebody said in one of the RAW threads they would mark out if Vickie said "EXCUSE ME!" to interrupt Vince firing her or somebody else. I think I would too.

#1-norm-fan 04-12-2009 02:23 PM

I don't think she would get nearly as much heat if she were talented. So yeah, she's a good heel in a way I guess but it's kinda depressing because she's so terrible. I miss Mike Adamle. :'(

GD 04-12-2009 02:34 PM

She fucked up the match stipulations not once but twice. Waiting for the charm.

James Steele 04-12-2009 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 2497402)
I don't think she would get nearly as much heat if she were talented. So yeah, she's a good heel in a way I guess but it's kinda depressing because she's so terrible. I miss Mike Adamle. :'(

She is a GM who doesn't wrestle. Her only job is to get heat, help her associates get heat, and not screw up announcing matches and such. She does a good job of that (even though I think she forgot to mention the Last Man Standing stipulation on RAW this past monday - which is why she came back out for that announcement).

Kane Knight 04-12-2009 04:52 PM

I can't imagine her getting much other than X-Pac heat.

Jeritron 04-12-2009 05:00 PM

Yea but it's worked into her character. She's supposed to be a heel, and regardless of the though process behind it, the fans are supposed to boo her. Hence, she's working in spades.
It's not X-Pac heat, since at the time that saying was coined X-Pac was supposed to be a face.
It's McMahon heat.
Remember when everyone hated Vince after the screwjob and gave him "Xpac heat" and they worked the storyline around it? Same deal.

Gertner 04-12-2009 05:13 PM

I don't think it's X Pac heat either. People hated X Pac just because he sucked. People hate Vickie because she plays her character perfectly.

Jeritron 04-12-2009 05:17 PM

Her entire catchphrase and schtick are built around it.

jerichoholicninja 04-12-2009 06:55 PM

The power of the wheel chair.

The Gold Standard 04-12-2009 07:04 PM

The heat she gets is ridiculous. I have never heard someone get more heat than her.

Kane Knight 04-12-2009 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeritron (Post 2497552)
Yea but it's worked into her character. She's supposed to be a heel, and regardless of the though process behind it, the fans are supposed to boo her. Hence, she's working in spades.
It's not X-Pac heat, since at the time that saying was coined X-Pac was supposed to be a face.
It's McMahon heat.
Remember when everyone hated Vince after the screwjob and gave him "Xpac heat" and they worked the storyline around it? Same deal.

LOL

.44 Magdalene 04-12-2009 08:11 PM

It can't be X-Pac heat, X-Pac was a dude amirite

Kane Knight 04-12-2009 08:30 PM

:D

Theo Dious 04-12-2009 08:44 PM

Vickie is awesome and I still want to have sex with her. That is all.

McLegend 04-12-2009 08:49 PM

I'm a fan. I like her.

Xero 04-12-2009 08:50 PM

This is one of those random things that gets mega over, even though it really shouldn't. The difference here is that they really haven't fucked it up.

.44 Magdalene 04-12-2009 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tedious (Post 2497910)
Vickie is awesome and I still want to have sex with her. That is all.

what

Xero 04-12-2009 08:59 PM

In the butt.

Theo Dious 04-12-2009 09:16 PM

I have a problem. :$

Xero 04-12-2009 09:17 PM

No you don't, Pidget. I'd hit that too.

Theo Dious 04-12-2009 09:19 PM

Actually to be perfectly honest, I'm probably very soon going to bang a fat chick who bears a passing resemblance to Vickie. I'm thinking of asking her to screech "EXCUSE ME!" while I'm cumming.

Xero 04-12-2009 09:19 PM

You gonna do her in a wheel chair?

Theo Dious 04-12-2009 09:20 PM

I am... now.

Theo Dious 04-12-2009 09:21 PM

:shifty:

Jon Kano 04-12-2009 09:44 PM

Vince was/always will be the best heel IMO, Vickie is simply terrible, no entertaining value whatsoever, she gets boos of actual hate, not to do with the character.

#1-norm-fan 04-12-2009 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Steele (Post 2497418)
She is a GM who doesn't wrestle. Her only job is to get heat, help her associates get heat, and not screw up announcing matches and such. She does a good job of that (even though I think she forgot to mention the Last Man Standing stipulation on RAW this past monday - which is why she came back out for that announcement).

She doesn't do a good job of anything. She gets heat because of who she is and the fact that she just has a dislikable quality to her. You can't honestly give her any compliments based on any skills that she possesses that are useful in playing a character. She can't act and if it wasn't for the fact that the crowd already hates her, putting a mic in her hands would be a DISASTER. She gets heat because people just don't like her.

Again, I'm not even saying she's a bad heel. It works. I can't give her any credit though. She does nothing showing any talent. She's awful.

James Steele 04-12-2009 10:02 PM

She is a heel and people boo the living shit out of her, so she must be doing something right.

#1-norm-fan 04-12-2009 10:06 PM

Well, she married Eddy Guerrero..

.44 Magdalene 04-12-2009 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Steele (Post 2498189)
She is a heel and people boo the living shit out of her, so she must be doing something right.

If OJ Simpson became a heel in the WWE and so on and so forth etc

Xero 04-12-2009 10:10 PM

OJ's face run was a success, though.

Theo Dious 04-12-2009 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xero (Post 2498202)
OJ's face run was a success, though.

OJ still gets face reactions in certain quarters.

.44 Magdalene 04-12-2009 10:14 PM

Some people want to bone Vickie


Toh-may-toh, toh-mah-toh

James Steele 04-12-2009 10:21 PM

.44 Magdalene, you sir, are a fuckwit.

.44 Magdalene 04-12-2009 10:23 PM

And everything I've said in this thread is entirely serious

FourFifty 04-12-2009 10:23 PM

I think Vickie is a killer promo away from getting Freddie Blassie heat. I love how she pulls off the role!

James Steele 04-12-2009 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by .44 Magdalene (Post 2498218)
And everything I've said in this thread is entirely serious

I did not say that, and even if I did, you would still be a fuckwit.

.44 Magdalene 04-12-2009 10:28 PM

Educate me with your insight, James Steel

Theo Dious 04-12-2009 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FourFifty (Post 2498219)
I think Vickie is a killer promo away from getting Freddie Blassie heat. I love how she pulls off the role!

People are also ignoring the fact that her training has all been on-the-job. She was given a TV role basically as a charity act, and her reactions and the perfect way she comes off kept her there. If we're going to fire people for fucking up on the mic... well first of all we will have NO announce teams left...

.44 Magdalene 04-12-2009 10:30 PM

But Jim Ross fucking up on the mic is charming

.44 Magdalene 04-12-2009 10:31 PM

And Adamle did get fired

James Steele 04-12-2009 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by .44 Magdalene (Post 2498228)
Educate me with your insight, James Steel

Your attempts at wit are fucking horrible. Therefore, fuckwit.

The Optimist 04-12-2009 10:32 PM

Imagine a cancerous baby. Now imagine a cancerous baby that wouldn't die and was making out with Edge and controlling Smackdown.

.44 Magdalene 04-12-2009 10:32 PM

Okay then James Steele

Theo Dious 04-12-2009 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Optimist (Post 2498240)
Imagine a cancerous baby. Now imagine a cancerous baby that wouldn't die and was making out with Edge and controlling Smackdown.

You seriously are the worst optimist in the history of everything.

.44 Magdalene 04-12-2009 10:36 PM

Maybe he meant cancerous baby controlling Smackdown in a good way

FourFifty 04-12-2009 10:47 PM

Maybe Vickie is too good as a heel?
From what I'm getting a lot of people really hate her. They won't watch her because of the persona. Hey, I don't like Cena's persona but to be honest (and I may get some backlash here) I have nothing short of a world of respect for the guy for what he does. None of us ('cept Destor) are wrestlers, and cannot fathom the pressure that is placed on a preformer's shoulders. However, I digress.
I think if she would tone it down a little some people who say they hate her would start saying she's a good heel. It's kinda like if you like eating spicy food, and someone puts too much hot sauce in something (yea, lame, but believe me- my other metaphor was worse). If she could tone it down then more people would like her as a heel instead of saying she sucks.








But I say keep her as she is. I love how the fans are almost as loug as her! They need to turn her mic up when the fans get louder.

The Optimist 04-12-2009 11:03 PM

It's not hard to get heel heat when you're something as distasteful as Vickie.

And smelly to boot.

.44 Magdalene 04-12-2009 11:03 PM

Smelly and distasteful in a good way, I'm sure

FourFifty 04-12-2009 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Optimist (Post 2498315)
It's not hard to get heel heat when you're something as distasteful as Vickie.

I really hate to say this phrase, but it's the only thing that can say what I feel.

"Excuse me?"
What did she do that is distasteful?
Provide a roof for her children? Put food on the table? What did she do?

Xero 04-12-2009 11:27 PM

She's a heat machine. I do believe some heat is genuine "XPac" heat, but the majority of it is just because she's an annoying cunt on TV.

She is legit over. I can't see how anyone could dispute this.

.44 Magdalene 04-12-2009 11:28 PM

I think he means her presence in general is not satisfying to the pallet

.44 Magdalene 04-12-2009 11:28 PM

Or at least, that's what I'd agree with because she's kind of gross to look at



And hear

FourFifty 04-12-2009 11:30 PM

Well a dime a dozen diva couldn't get the same response if their job was on the line.

.44 Magdalene 04-12-2009 11:33 PM

I'm not saying her being a horrific vision of walking nastification doesn't help her be an absolute heat factory, just agreeing that she's not fun to look at

Xero 04-12-2009 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FourFifty (Post 2498389)
Well a dime a dozen diva couldn't get the same response if their job was on the line.

I give dime a dozen Divas legit X Pac heat because they deserve it.

I know it's off topic, but look at the Mania Battle Royal. First, I didn't know half the women in there. Then half of them were blond and at least a third of those look exactly the same from certain angles. Add this to the fact that you never got a good face shot when they were eliminated made for one of the most confusing Mania matches of all time.

FourFifty 04-13-2009 12:01 AM

I don't know if I fully agree with Xero.... It seems Santino's sister stuck out like a sore thumb. Almost as if she didn't belong... :shifty:

Mr. Nerfect 04-13-2009 12:39 AM

I'd love to see Vickie Guerrero and Vince McMahon in a segment together, with Vickie telling Vince to excuse himself. That would be epic television.

Stickman 04-13-2009 01:54 AM

I really think she's just terrible. If changing the channel is good heat, she's got that covered.

RP 04-13-2009 02:37 AM

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Kane Knight 04-13-2009 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FourFifty (Post 2498269)
Maybe Vickie is too good as a heel?
From what I'm getting a lot of people really hate her. They won't watch her because of the persona. Hey, I don't like Cena's persona but to be honest (and I may get some backlash here) I have nothing short of a world of respect for the guy for what he does. None of us ('cept Destor) are wrestlers, and cannot fathom the pressure that is placed on a preformer's shoulders. However, I digress.
I think if she would tone it down a little some people who say they hate her would start saying she's a good heel. It's kinda like if you like eating spicy food, and someone puts too much hot sauce in something (yea, lame, but believe me- my other metaphor was worse). If she could tone it down then more people would like her as a heel instead of saying she sucks.








But I say keep her as she is. I love how the fans are almost as loug as her! They need to turn her mic up when the fans get louder.

Of course, toning it down would imply she could act, and nobody with even the slightest clue believes that.

By way of your metaphor, instead of too much spice, you've contracted e coli. What you've suggested is only slightly more retarded than the notion that people hate Cena because he's so charismatic and such a strong wrestler that people are jealous and hate him because it's cool.

on that note, it's my new operating theory. John Cena is such an incredible wrestler that all you haters is just jealous.


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