LOST Theories (will have spoliers)
 

OK, I want to start a thread for actual LOST theory discussion. Of course spoliers will be part of it so it would be good to have a separate thread so discussion can be free flowing etc.

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I think the end of this season is going to end with ‘the incident’ or near it. The Swan/The Hatch/thing thing behind the concrete wall, let’s face it – it’s the Jugghead H bomb which needs to be purged every 108 minutes unless it blows or something. The incident/burst of some radiation or whatever it is, causes radiation or ‘the sickness’ or some kind of Quarantine effect which also disables women to give birth.
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I think Jacob is definitely someone we already know, possibly Desmond or faraday – they are both unique with their knowledge of time travel/cause and effect/the constant aspect, and have the ability to see how time is going to work out …
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For example….. Jacob gives a list to his people of 3 survivors they need to capture, Sawyer and Kate in particular were bought over to help with the construction of ‘smashing rocks’ aka the runway which allowed them to return 2 seasons later. Its like everything has been constructed since their early lives for them all to land, and finish the kind of loop they are on to the point which will be seen in the last season, this ‘war’ Widmore and Ben are on about.
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I also think it would mean more and make more sense for Jacob to be someone we already know as opposed to some mystical new being type character.
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Another thought about how certain characters total arc may end…Jack doesn’t know why he’s come back to the island yet, sure he does, he went to Australia to bring his father home, I think in the end that’s whats going to happen, Jack, Christian, Claire they will all leave at the end, maybe with Juliet too so she can be with her sister. Kate, Sawyer, Lock even Hurly will probably stay. People like Frank, Miles and even Sayid will probably be killed.
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I’m going to get back into posting my theories, it would be good to see what other people think.
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Yeah thats another site, I mean discussion for here.

Already looking at their stuff, one thing to note...

4. The pressing of the button in the swan was resetting time on the island, keeping it in a loop - Maybe

This is what I kinda thought, then changed it to my H-Bomb theory.


But this also kinda relates to something I have a hard time getting my head round....

- Supposedly the Island is hidden from the outside world, radar, equipment etc, which is why when Desmond turned the key, it was visable to the outside world for a brief period of time.

- In season 2, the Island and survivors received drops of supplies, food etc from Dharma HQ, as if they thought the operation was still going (which would be supported by the flame and Mikhail etc) But that means a plan must of known where and when to drop it, information someone like Widmore would easily be able to steal or know of if this is the case. Still, drops were made.

- Yet in season 5, Mrs Hawking said the Island was constantly travelling through time and no one could find it.

WTF?

My theory is they're making it up as they go along. :-\

You're probably right about the season finale though, since the actual episode title is "The Incident". The nuke is bound to play into it somehow, since it seems a bit pointless to have ever introduced it in the first place otherwise.

That time loop theory seems to make some pretty major leaps though, so I don't buy it.

I didn't know the incident was the actual title of the last episode fyi

For some reason I keep thinking that Richard Alpert is Jacob

I keep thinking when trying to figure out who he is, to look at what/who we saw sittin in the chair in season 3 in the 'Man Behind the Curtain'

I personally think its Desmond, Locke or Faraday, based on not only story theory but also basic appearance.

http://home.blarg.net/%7Ewayule/graphics/jacob.jpg

The man is actually one of the prop guys on set lol

The incident will have nothing to do with the Bomb.

They are building the swan now.

In the orientation videos, CHeng says the sation was built to monitor the Electromagnetic properties of the Island.

Then the incident happens, so now they have to press the code every 108 minutes to disperse the pent up energy.

I imagine the incident will be some form of massive explosion due to them building the Swan and trying to harness the massive energy.

I do think the bomb will play a part in later stories...perhaps putting the Island to rest at the end of the series.

Like somehow they are about to escape the island, and someone stays back to blow up the Island with the unearthed Nuke (since it was burried) to put an end to all the fighting over control of the Island.

Few things...

Yeah they're bulding the Swan now, as in Dharma heyday (1970s), the same decade they pretty much arrived and set up their stations, but it was in the 1950s (young Widmore/Richard/Daniel examining it) when the others were told it needs to be buried. The timeline of events just fits; buried, twenty years later, found, followed by an incident.

We saw Faraday present when Cheng/Wickmud/Halliwax and the miners found something which alarmed him/caused caution. It was under ground, and in the second season when Sayid examined the concrete wall, he referred to Chernobyl. Just kinda hits to something they didn't expect to find, and its contained like a nuclear problem.

Fair enough he said the station was meant to examine electromagnetism on the Island, but the Blash Door map says there are several electromagnetic areas with 'unique geological properties' scattered all over the Island, it might be in one place with one unique property, but it examines the whole Island.

I also think if its something supernatural, as in part of the actual Island mythology (Cerebus/Statue/Egyptian Markings/Donkey Wheel/) its usually part of a related theme, not just randomly found in the ground. There seems to be a system at work where supernatural things belong. But then it could be something new.

And if your saying the incident is a massive exlosion due to them trying to harness its energy, then wouldn't the Swan and the area its built around be destroyed? We know it gets built, something happens, but its contained enough for the Swan to remain.

Ok, so you think a Nuke us going to do less damage?

Since when do Nukes have any type of Magnetism? And I think people put way too much into the Sayid quote from many season ago, when the story was still forming and I am sure things have changed quite a bit. Remember, they are writing this as they go. Characters have left and had to be written out and the story changed, and new characters were added. I dont think Ben was part of the shows ideas until after season one. he was only suppose to be a bit player. Dont build a case on a one liner that really had no signifigance to anything unless you try to twist it to an idea.

When building the Orchid, they found the Donkey Wheel behind the wall...Nothing to do with the Swan.

Huh? I'm pretty sure they were only writing the show 'as they went' before they knew how many seasons they were signed for. Once they found out when the show was going to be over, they wrote the rest of it. During the first bit, they had an actual plan, but had to come up with all the in-between stuff.

I have read that at this point, the writing is finished for the most part, and the only cast member who knows how it ends is Jack.

NERDS

Even so, with the exception of a few continuity and narrative errors, they have done a pretty good job of orchastrating things around the writer's strike, actors commitments, unforseen circumstances. All to a degree of being a kickass story.

I have read many times and conclude that its half and half, they did have an overall idea of what the story of LOST is/was and will be, but along the way, things changed for sure.

Well seeing as most of the last few seasons have been based around a guy that was never planned to be on for more than 5 episodes, I would say that they change their plans ALOT.

I would say LOST is the show that is the complete opposite of basing their story on one character.

For some reason I thought the 'energy' they found was in the Swan area. Ignore my crazy old bomb theory.

Its a common thought though...lots of Theories contain that....its just one of those little confusing parts since there are so fucking many stations.

God I am a Lost Loser.

Could be worse, just so happens LOST is the best TV show right now :D

Never really got into Lost. Seems like way too much of a mess for me. Glad it seems to be making sense for all of you to the point where you bother to try and decode it. I'll probably ask someone who watches the show after it ends if it is worth watching through.

One thing I thought of this morning, what if this Locke is actually Locke, but somehow from the far off future and has more knowledge of the island and that's why he has to kill Jacob?

The Body of Locke could be a version of him even further in the future that had to die....

Oh I don't fucking know

Can't wait till Jan

Didn't "Locke" mention that he found the loophole in the scene with Jacob(or Jacob mentioned it to him)? That pretty much cements that "Locke" is the Man In Black from the pre-credit scene and that Locke is in fact dead, from where I stand.

Your little theory seems a little "out there"...but it is Lost!

Without question there is a presence of time-loop "chicken or the egg" going on. It seems exhausting and pointless to try to speculate where it will go, but I agree with many of that links assumptions.

Personally, I was a little upset when I began to get the impression that free will was in no way present. That's just because I've come to feel with the characters and it's a tough pill to swallow.
But, it's very possible that there isn't. At the same time, I think some instances have shown there is some semblance of free will.

I 100% agree that it all comes down to, (and likely ultimately always will) fate vs destiny. Are they destined to do certain things, and at will to accomplish it however they want? That would seem to be in accordance with course correction.

For instance, when Sayid shot Ben. Did that always happen? At this point I'd say yes, but at first I felt as though that was an instance of their new path affecting the past. Either way, things turned out the way they "did". Perhaps something else happened to Ben during that time frame that led him to The Others, where he was healed and adopted.
After all, Richard told him to "be patient" when they first met. Was he waiting for the specific event of Sayid shooting him to happen? Or was he waiting for something else to happen and it just happened to be Sayid?

The other possibility is that every action is completely pre-destined. This is a concept I would rather not be the case, as the free will w/ course correction seems more fair to the characters. It just seems disheartening. I don't think it's the case though.
Those who travelled back in time to join Dharma in 1977 were presumably "always part of that history"
If they were though, does this mean they will die there in front of Richard? Richard confirms that in the original timeline he did indeed remember them as having been on the island in 1977. Still, he says they died.

If they don't die, which I'm really waiting to see (and I doubt they will), it means they did something different in the timeline us viewers are following. This means there is free will, and even though certain things are destined to happen, they can take the ball and run with it from a certain point.
In essence, there are certain notes that must be hit, like them getting to 1977 and posing for that photograph. But perhaps the rest is up to them. They're "the variables"

If they survive, and get back to 2006 successfully, they're blazing "new ground"

At least that's how it seems to me.

Also, Jacob's last words (thus far)...."they're coming"

Thoughts?

100% Jack and co. who else could it really be.

Richard saw them "die". Though what he perceives as them dying could possibly be them going "Back To The Future"...

Also I really can't figure out how Desmond and Charles will figure into the story now...

So what are your thoughts on free will and fate vs destiny?

Correct me if I'm missing anything here:

The story sort of moved away from them since they're back in the real world and everyone else is back on the island.

Still, as far as I can remember Charles is still looking for the island. He still wants to get there. He was in a race to get back against Ben. Ben beat him back, but Charles still has unfinished business there.
I don't imagine he would stop.

Also, Ben tried to kill Penny and Desmond. Obviously this has got to upset Desmond.
Basically, Charles and Desmond now have common interests. They both hate Ben Linus. I think this places them on the same page, and puts their problems on the backburner.

I would assume they're looking for the island and want to settle things with Linus.

Yea I think it's pretty safe to say that "Locke" is the man in black. I think the fact that he's takent he form of a dead man makes even further sense, since it's obvious now that he was posing at Jack's father before that.

When Jack's dad's body arrived on the island, he posed as him to get Locke to return to the island dead, so that he could then mimic Locke, and get even with Jacob.
Guy's a shapeshifter.

Yeah I get all that, I just can't even begin to imagine how that fits into the story now...well next season anyway...

Jacob represents free will, other dude represents destiny...Other than that I have no clue

I guess they'll just find the island. I would assume Jack and Co. will find their way back to 2007 with Locke, Ben and Sun.
Once Charles and Desmond are there everyone will be in the same place at the same time, which would presumably build to resolution.

But yea, I don't know what role they'll have if and when they get there.

Do you feel the actions and choices of the characters carry flexibility though? I mean, what they do may inevitably yield certain outcomes set forth by destiny, but some of what they do must be up to them. I like to think they are in control of themselves, but not what happens.
For instance, can a character decide to do things on their own terms, but the fate of things around them either allows or disallows their goal to happen.
I think that's closer to how things are, since course correction has been defined within the story.

The other possibility is that every action, thought, and word of theirs is pre-determined. I don't know how I feel about that.

I tend to leads towards the former.

Farady says they are variables and have free will.

I am inclined to believe him. The only thing that makes me question it all is the fact that Jack and Co. were "always" a part of 1977. Even when they were setting up camp and figuring things out in their first stay on the island, their future was presumably already a part of the island's past.
If their destiny is not written, how can this be? Was it a loose path that was certain to happen, but how and why was up to them?
For instance, think of the man in red shoes that Ms. Hawking points out to Desmond. He was destined to die. How he died was irrelevant. That was up to him, and those around him. They had the free will to save his life, or he could change his mind and not go outside that day.
Still, he was going to die.

I think similarly of the characters. They were destined to wind up back in 1977, and while they were there they were destined to become part of Dharma.

Everything else was up to them. If Jack had decided not to take the chopper and try to escape the island, they would have ended up in 1977 some other way.

I guess the analogy is that no matter what they're having pizza for dinner, but they can choose when they're going to have it, and what they want on it.



Was it written that they would arrive in 1977 and do exactly what we're seeing them do now, or was it just certain that they would arrive there, and the details were up to them as people?

I think the Losties' presence in 1977 is slightly different from course correction. Faraday says that they are always part of 1977 and that whatever happens happens. To me, that means everything has already happened down to the detail. From the Losties' point of view in 1977, it is the present as it is for everyone on the island, but they are living it as it actually happened and as it was always going to happen. I think Slaughterhouse Five refers to time measured in this way, as a measurement.

For the most part, we see the characters living their lives without regard to this law, but it does seem to shape the outcome of some events. Some characters say "Oh, what does it matter, it's always going to happen" and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy that the events actually turned out the way they did. I think every detail down to the smallest finger wiggle must have always happened. See: The Laws of Ian Malcolm and Chaos Theory or the Butterfly Effect.

Course Correction seems to be more of a storyline device and I'm not sure if we've seen the last of it or we're going to see a macroscale version of it pertaining to the island as a whole instead of just Charlie/the man in red shoes.

That would mean that everything has always happened then, including their path in 2004.

That means every detail is pre-destined and they have no control over their actions? What's the point in even trying?

Also, I think destiny had decreed that the incident will go off without a hitch, and the hydrogen bomb would not go off.
I feel as though that's why the bomb didn't go off at impact. It was course correction preventing Jack from changing their destiny.
I think Juliet living, and smashing the bomb was an anomaly. I feel as though that "wasn't supposed to happen", and it will change things starting next season.

Of course, logic would say that if the "what happened happened" rules are true, she was originally intended to live and hit that bomb.
I just got the gut feeling from the moment that something exceptional was happening, and she was doing something in which the human spirit and free will was changing destiny. There's no way of knowing that until next year though...
Call it a hunch.

You have to remember that it's all relative. In 2004 it's the present for them and they're affecting future events that haven't actually happened yet. So they have free will in the present. But by being transported back to 1977, it's still their present, technically. Those events are pretty much predetermined because the outcomes have always been and will always be due to their presence. They acted the way they did in 1977 partly because they were aware that they were from the future and they were shaping future events, but their was no real way to change them. In trying to save young Ben, they ended up making him an Other. That and every other action in 1977 is immutable. They are seeing the events in a present mind, but the events are actually in the past relative to where they came from. I don't think anything had to be course corrected at all.

beat me to that. I was just about to post that video. And i'm not respecting your spoiler stuff. If people come in here, they should already know. Its funny cause Dempsey says " you're dead! " and Dominic says " Actually i'm lost ! ".

HMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmMMMMMMMMMM

I think everything is gunna start over and they're gunna rewrite the history.

ABC is saying that he's joining another series, but i'm skeptical. I think he's coming back. I really really hope he comes back and him and Claire have a better more happy ending. I have to believe that when Sun found Charlies ring in Aarons crib, in the finale, that it meant something. It was so random if not.

Here's my crazy theory. I havent even posted this on Lostpedia yet.

In one of the episodes this season, Sun asked about the Losties in the picture. Richard says " I watched them all die ".

I think Richard did with them, what he did with Ben. I think this whole time, the Losties are actually Others. They just dont know it. I think Cindy, the flight attendant, was an Other, before the crash.

That theory will change i'm sure. But right now, thats what i'm working with.

And Richard is my favorite charachter. If they made a spinoff with Richard, i'd watch.

I think he said "Actually I was". Not sure though.

Wasn't too random, other than it marked a realization that he had gone off in preperation to die.
He didn't tell Claire he was planning on dying. He didn't make a fuss, but him leaving the ring was so her and Erin would have something to remember him by.
Sun finding this was pretty much nothing more than an on-screen realization by the beach camp that he was off to sacrifice himself.
I don't think it was anything having to do with a future storyline, rather than it was directed at the audience. That type of device is used in movies/tv all of the time.

Oh man.. if they made a spin-off with Richard, following his life, I would definitely watch it. He is probably one of the most interesting characters on the show to me, because there is so much that we don't know about him. He is always so calm and confident about everything that's going on, and he's just a nice guy in general.

Part of what makes him interesting is how mysterious he is. It's the Boba Fett effect.
If you were to fully flesh out his story in it's own television show, the appeal would start to diminish.

I dunno.. I don't see his character being much different, and the way he acts is definitely a large amount of the appeal. Even when it's out of his hands, he always seems in control of a situation. I think seeing how his life has been would be incredibly interesting.

Then again, we might see a lot of that next season, so a spin-off might not even be needed.

That's possible. I think Ben started off very mysterious. He's still awesome, but they've definitely shed a ton of light on him since his first few episodes in season 2.

Saw a promo for Season 6 yesterday

Season 5 came out on dvd today so things are kinda gearing up for season 6.

I saw the news tidbit about William Atherton being cast in an unspecified role.

can't freakin wait

Yea I just picked up the $75 collector Dharma Edition. :-\ It was worth it cuz that show is just amazing.

William Atherton will be playing a teacher with ties to the whole LOST story I have read. Really hope he is called Walter Peck

I saw those promos from comic con on youtube. Kinda give a good idea of what direction things are going after the "explosion"

Yeah lots of interesting stuff from the Q&A sessions to read regarding season 6.

One of which I'm looking forward to, a concentrated story focus on what the story, Island and mythology is all about, flashbacks and flash forwards being sidelined for proper 'lets get down to it' wtf is going on shit.

So do you think we'll see a lot of old familiar faces this season or do you think they'll say fuck it and keep most of them off the show?

I think they released a poster and lots of people like Charlie, Boone, Ana Lucia, Michael and others were on it.

I dunno. I don't really want to be spoiled, but I think most of the characters who've died or whatever will be back in some form. Whether thats flashbacks or something supernatural I dunno

A fair few people are coming back apparently; Charlie, Shannon, Boone so I have read/heard.

Its hard to decide how or in what capacity this will happen.

The first episode is apparantly in two parts entitled 'LA X' I & II, this suggests a few things that could/could not be happening. One obvious conclusion is that the bomb theory does work, and the plane does indeed land in LA, and with people like Shannon and Boone being brought back, its very possible we will see what happens when the plane lands. However, this would mean they ALL should/would land, but I doubt they will have things like Jin & Sun being reunited right at the start.

Then there's things to think about like, 'will they remember everything' if they don't and they all do land at LA, this is kinda shit because it means they have to once again get back and get to grips with what's going on, and get back to the Island once again (I refuse to believe this show's last season and story will be resolved off-Island).

It also means though 'dead' characters will be able to return, and things like Desmond will still be back on the Island already. But I doubt they will go down that route either as it will be very unlikely every single character who was part of the previous series of events will be available to film.


I really don't know what way they are going to go, but I think if anything, various past characters will return but not in a big way. I really don't know.

Alls I know is that after 6 years of loving and getting into the character of John Locke, and to have his character's beliefs squashed, finding out his destiny is nothing but being part of a game between two supernatural entities (Jacob and his enemy; Un-Locke, Flocke, the Man in Black)

I don't feel like Locke has been squashed or cheapened at all. He was used by Jacob's enemy but that's not him. It's just a little hiatus for the real John Locke. He just used his body. He presumably did the same thing with Jack's dad for a while.

I think the real Locke will be back and stronger than ever. Last we saw of him they dumped his real body on the beach right? So we just found out that wasn't really him. The real deal will be back.

Yeah that's another thing, he didn't actually use Locke's body, and yet Christian's body wasn't in the coffin Jack put him in, nor was his body found.

This whole business of dead people turning up is a big deal since we don't know who or what is using them as representation; when Ben told Un-Locke that Alex/Smoke monster told him he had to do EXACTLY what Un-Locke said, he was genuinely surprised, that's why I don't think the smoke monster is on the 'bad side', as he was surprised. I think the smoke monster is a kind of in-betweener tool/entity for both Jacob and Un-Locke to use or have part of their plan.

Theres a lot to get through; 'Christian' has been showing Locke what to do, for a reason, yet Jacob's cabin; someone else has been using it, and he hasn't been there in a long time. Christian could very well be represented for Un-Locke's plan to become a success. Yet Clair was obviously kept close to him, did he do that because it his daughter? or because Un-Locke didn't want her to raise Aarron? the exact opposite of what they medium told her needed to happen? making it an evil plan?

Then you have representations of Eko's brother, Libby, Ana Lucia, Charlie - its hard to gauge who or what each 'representative's' motives are.

If the bomb theory worked, then Locke will be alive, in his only body, since they never would've crashed. Unless they only take the people in 1977 back to 'present' LA 2004. Which is a way to get around it etc, and have them retain the memories of what they have been to.

Oh yeah, I also believe he has yet to be shown his true destiny, and win out in the end somehow as the real John Locke, but still, hell of a revelation.

Obviously he is part of a big plan, not a plan exclusive to Un-Locke, as Jacob himself resurrected him.

It's just part of Jacob's enemy finding his loophole, only became a success because of the path Locke took while on the island - every time he spoke to Island, everything he did, it was for two end results - so Jacob's enemy could find his loophole, take over Locke's body, have someone of free will Kill Jacob, but also so Jacob's 'team' ('They're coming') could detonate the bomb and have his enemies presence known (Locke's body).

If the bomb theory worked, it will have reset things for the people in 1977. That will be fine since their story doesn't have loose ends.

But the group of people in modern times on the island (un-Locke, Richard, Ben, Jacob, etc.) seemed to still have unfinished business. Things were just heating up with them at the statue. The last we heard "they're coming". I still think there's ground to cover with them in that time period. So maybe that timeline will continue to be covered, while a new "reset" timeline is explored for the 1977 crew.

Yeah see, I get and understand that, but I don't think I like it.

I mean what will happen with Jin & Sun? Not that I care, but like will Jin just land, be on his own, just go on without knowing or having his wife? What about Juliet? She detonated the bomb, but by that logic, she will be back on the Island??! I dunno.

And just how will Locke come back?

So many questions. So much time to wait.

I don't think their 1977 "reset" will work. It will change things for a while but I think they'll end up back on the Island and reunited with everyone. How and why that will happen, I don't know.
I just think it will be like the oceanic six. They can run but they can't hide. Something will warp them back to the reality of the island as we've always known it, with Locke, Sun, Richard, Ben and all that stuff going on with Jacob and the statue.

Of course I don't know that. It's just my theory.

I still think that the 2 skeletons they found in that cave in season 1 will end up being Rose and Bernard.

Yea that makes the most sense. Who knows though, it could end up being Jack and Kate

Or Jack and Sawyer? Maybe Kate played them both and handcuffed them together? Fuck I don't want to wait another month for this. It's bad enough Heroes and FlashForward are both gone until March.

It's a male and female skeleton though. Locke called them The Island's own Adam and Eve

Yeah that's a old theory, with the stones in their hands etc.

It would back up an old theory of mine - that it wasn't Desmond's fault that actually bought them to the Island when he let the counter run to 0 in the hatch. It was the smoke monster, which many think represents 'course correction'. As in they WERE MEANT to crash. Also, if you listen to the sounds of wreckage falling on the Season 2 episode where the Tailie's story is told, the monster sound is clearly being heard. ALSO, I can't find it, but someone has filtered the frames of footage when Jack covers Claire from an explosion on the beach on the first episode, and it looks like the plane just explodes, but a black cloud is clearly visible swooping down on the plane as it explodes.

Maybe they do indeed simply crash again, and find their remains from the fallout of the bomb; but then the new episode is entitled LA X!?!

I know. I don't think the show would make it's 2 leading males gay, let alone kill them both off. Besides, we have to get the satisfaction of Sawyer finally meeting Clementine and having the happy ending we know he's going to.

Maybe they will start the season with a What If story?

Very happy about the prospects of Clare and Charlie coming back. Kinda bummed out that Ana Lucia might come too.

Hmmm. I've never thought of the smoke monster that way but that's interesting.

I don't know if they'll simply crash again but I think it's safe to say that whatever happens, they're all going to end up reunited and on the island. Whatever they do with things before that is just going to be leading up to that

Claire just kinda disappeared in season 5 and I was like WTFH? I just hope to see Mr. Eko and Charlie. Don't too much care for anyone else who died. As long as we don't see Niki and Paolo again. :shifty:

Also, how cute that they're bringing it back on Groundhog's Day. Dunno if that's foreshadowing or what

Maybe the tide eroded the sand and somehow Nikki & Paulo's skeletons ended up in the caves lol

Claire going AWOL, def going to have something to do with Christian and Aarron not being raised by her. I don't really care for her though.

Am I the only one who isn't a Charlie fan? I mean, I thought he was interesting during the first season or so, but once his backstory had been told he was kind of boring to me.
I thought the timing and manner of his death was perfect.

:y:

I can't think of a good reason for Ana Lucia to come back. I marked out when Michael killed her and Libby. It was such a 'two birds with one stone' moment

Nikki and Paulo will end up being the key to the entire Lost mythology. What a swerve that would be

The skeletons are supposed to be the thing that ties the show together at the end. I doubt they'd waste that big reveal on Rose and Bernard.

I think there's a lot of other things that are supposed to tie it all together

Who else could they put there? Boone and Shannon? Say that Shannon decided she liked Boone back so they died happily together in a cave? I dunno. Rose and Bernard seems like the safe bet, but that's the joy of Lost, you never know.

I think the mystery still surrounding the nature of Jacob and his enemy, and the smoke monster, are bigger questions

yeah but the producers said they put the skeletons with the stones there on purpose so that they could prove they had the whole show planned from the start, and weren't just making it up as they went along

Also, what's the story on Walt? Isn't he supposed to be important?

I was never satisfied with his whole ending. He knew/wanted to die because he was told, and going by the show's logic (kinda) that IF he died, Claire and Aaron would be rescued, or at the very least, put onto a helicopter off the Island. Not only did he die, and that not happen, but the SECOND he found out that the boat wasn't there for the reasons he was told, that flash of the future should've rendered bad, since the supposed helicopter would not necessarily mean rescue.

I think the real reason why Claire was AWOL for a lot of season 5 was because of the actress's real life commitments, which in the past has been a reason for the story to be altered or have some plot holes.

can we form a list of "important shit that needs to be covered"

No doubt. This whole show is honestly revolving around 2 entities that nobody honestly could see except for a select few. It all ties back to Walt and Locke playing Othello (or was it Backgammon?) and the whole contrast between light and darkness ordeal. I just want to see how the hell the 2 of them ever came to be there in the first place.

If they bring Ana Lucia back I can't wait until they kill her again.

If it all ends up being Hurley's imagination, I'll be unhappy.

Jacob, his enemy, the Island, Richard and what the show is all about - will be the focus of season 6 imo.

We should.

- Jacob and his enemy
- Richard's ability to not age
- Walt's "gifts"
- the smoke monster
- the skeletons
- the numbers. why was Hurley's friend repeating them?
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The statue
The donkey wheel

Is there still uncertainty over why Charles Whidmore wants the island, and how and why Dharma was there?

Again, I have to rewatch seasons 4 and 5 before 6