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Supreme Olajuwon 04-17-2009 04:24 PM

Guys who made shitty gimmicks good
 
One of the characteristics of the wrestling world that you'll find anywhere you go is the ability to come up with some of the stupidest fucking characters you could possibly imagine, and then wrestlers are supposed to make these characters look good. More often than not, these shitty gimmicks fail. And it's nothing against those wrestlers, because even guys with an enormous amount of charisma and talent like Kevin Nash can falter with a shitty gimmick.

But every so often, a wrestler gets a shitty gimmick, runs with it, and makes that character work. For whatever reason, something clicks and the fans buy into it. So let's take time to remember the people who were able to make that happen.

I was thinking about doing a write up for each one but I'm too lazy now so I'll just list them. Maybe I'll come back and do a write up later.

Goldust
Doink the Clown
Screamin Norman Smiley (and the Wiggle)
Disco Inferno
Ricky the Dragon Steamboat (stereotype gimmicks have always been prevalent and even good wrestlers like Tito Santana can't make them work, but Ricky made it work so well that we don't even think about it as a gimmick anymore)

BigDaddyCool 04-17-2009 04:26 PM

Booker T has made a ton of shit gimmicks work.

DAMN iNATOR 04-17-2009 04:27 PM

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Dave Youell 04-17-2009 04:28 PM

Boogen

Honestly

Who would of thought that would last longer than a month?

Droford 04-17-2009 04:30 PM

Santino Marella, especially with his Santina crap

Lock Jaw 04-17-2009 04:36 PM

[Insert obligatory Sid joke]

That said, Simon Dean was great. I remember how he used to come out and insult the fatties in the audience and then tell the cameras to put a fat guy up on the tron, and one time he made this one dude cry and look so ashamed of himself. I bet he went home and ate himself to death.

Supreme Olajuwon 04-17-2009 04:36 PM

Also Kai En Tai.

Dorkchop 04-17-2009 04:36 PM

Finlay. I'm pretty sure getting a midget who lives underneath the ring to do run ins wasn't intended to get him over.

Like BDC said, Booker T. The guy has been ghetto, a king, GI Bro, stupid, and is now... whatever the fuck he is. Mention the ones I forget right now.

DAMN iNATOR 04-17-2009 04:43 PM

I'm surprised...
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...that the Full-Blooded Italians lasted as long as they did as a team

and after the FBI...
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...can anyone tell me what's so intriguing about watching a stereotypical NYC italian guy who cross-dresses?
(P.S.--I actually just threw up a little when I saw in the tron up close that Vito looked like Steve Wilkos...)

thedamndest 04-17-2009 05:04 PM

Mankind would have been gone if he were anybody but Foley.

Boondock Saint 04-17-2009 05:19 PM

lol forgot about Vito wearing a dress

thedamndest 04-17-2009 05:33 PM

That will always be a shitty gimmick, if for no other reason than because of Michael Cole talking about how much of a man Vito was because they hung out at bars together.

Mooияakeя™ 04-17-2009 05:34 PM

Naked Mideon. He was shit anyway, so playing naked total shit must have come natural.

Sorry Noid, but this is my opinion as I know u toss off over Mideon pictures and the like.

parkmania 04-17-2009 05:49 PM

Val Venis. A porn star turned wrestler? That's a pretty shitty gimmick.

Matt Striker. A teacher turned wrestler? :shifty:

Mooияakeя™ 04-17-2009 05:54 PM

Ah Matt Striker. The Bryan Ferry of wrestling.


Rep for anyone if they can find a clip of Joey Styles introducing Striker as "The man who left teaching in disgrace" - I :heart: Joey Styles. It's a tough job, and unless it's a full episode is gonna be hard to find. But still. Love that.

Nicky Fives 04-17-2009 06:15 PM

Mark Callaway...... end of story

Xero 04-17-2009 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nick55555 (Post 2505949)
Mark Callaway...... end of story

Yeah, this is pretty much the ultimate answer. He's manage to stay paranormal for 80% of his career and make it work perfectly.

When it's all said and done, he's just a western undertaker who shoots lightning out of his hands.

erickman 04-17-2009 06:58 PM

big show from riding his dads coffen to a love with vicky they gave some crappy storys

Jeritron 04-17-2009 07:06 PM

Undertaker is by far the best example of this.

Chavo Classic 04-17-2009 07:06 PM

I immediately thought 'Goldust' with this one. John Cena had a ton of success with his white-boy-can-rap gimmick for a while when he burst onto the scene too.

Otherwise current characters and gimmicks are either too bland or excessively freaky-outy to really provide any other quality answers to this question.

DrA 04-17-2009 07:18 PM

Booker T and his being black gimmick.

Not Booked 04-17-2009 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedamndest (Post 2505758)
Mankind would have been gone if he were anybody but Foley.

Mankind the Mutilator :lol:

Afterlife 04-17-2009 07:43 PM

I hate it when people think gimmicks are good or bad.

Gertner 04-17-2009 07:44 PM

Billy and Chuck.

Xero 04-17-2009 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Afterlife (Post 2506239)
I hate it when people think gimmicks are good or bad.


Yeah! Fuck them for having opinions!

The Fonz 04-17-2009 07:51 PM

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Xero 04-17-2009 07:52 PM

WHAT'S UP?

Gertner 04-17-2009 07:56 PM

Vader

It you really think about it. Vader is essentially Bastion Booger with a mask.

Xero 04-17-2009 08:00 PM

Vader was pushed as a disgusting pig?

I mean, if you want to lump all the fat people into one gelatinous blob, throw in Big Daddy V and Yokozuna.

Afterlife 04-17-2009 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xero (Post 2506246)
Yeah! Fuck them for having opinions!

Not remotely the point, but thanks for playing.

Xero 04-17-2009 08:13 PM

Well, then pray tell. What is your point?

Juan 04-17-2009 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gertner (Post 2506263)
Vader

It you really think about it. Vader is essentially Bastion Booger with a mask.

Are you kidding me with this??? Vader >>>>>>> Bastion Booger

Gertner 04-17-2009 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juan (Post 2506303)
Are you kidding me with this??? Vader >>>>>>> Bastion Booger

wrestling ability yes. Vader made his gimmick work, which if you look back at it was kinda ridiculous.

ClockShot 04-17-2009 08:36 PM

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The entrance music is in my top 5 all time.

Triple Naitch 04-17-2009 08:39 PM

The Blue Meanie. Who would have thought this guy would have lasted so long or got his own following?

Gertner 04-17-2009 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple Naitch (Post 2506346)
The Blue Meanie. Who would have thought this guy would have lasted so long or got his own following?

It was ECW. The Shockmaster would have friggen gotten over in ECW

Kane Knight 04-17-2009 09:39 PM

John Cena. Who would have thought a wigger Marine would be so successful?

Nark Order 04-17-2009 09:45 PM

Get out of here KK. Take your banning like a man!

Mooияakeя™ 04-17-2009 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 2506376)
KANE KNIGHTGATE


Team Sheep 04-17-2009 11:09 PM

LMFAO Vito in a dress, I used to love that shit :lol:

I really liked Kerwin White while it lasted. Yes it was very stupid for Chavo Guerrero but he played it well

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Powered Toast Man 04-17-2009 11:19 PM

Gotta say IRS

sulzerdrone 04-18-2009 12:52 AM

And nobody has mentioned Hogan yet?

Xero 04-18-2009 12:53 AM

I wouldn't call it a shitty gimmick. It was a basic gimmick that he took to the next level. By no means was the base gimmick bad.

As for Hollywood Hogan, it was the same deal, except it was a basic heel gimmick.

DaveWadding 04-18-2009 01:12 AM

REPO

REPO

REPO MAN

actually, Barry Darsow in general.

Juan 04-18-2009 01:19 AM

Kane86

Xero 04-18-2009 01:23 AM

HOMO!

Xero 04-18-2009 01:23 AM

You know who was a great gimmick? Mr. "MAKE IT or BREAK IT" himself, Vermaat.

Mooияakeя™ 04-18-2009 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juan (Post 2506706)
Kane86

GIVE ME YOUR ADDRESS

Xero 04-18-2009 01:26 AM

Oh, and who could forget Mr. TL;DR himself...

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Afterlife 04-18-2009 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xero (Post 2506299)
Well, then pray tell. What is your point?

My point was that gimmicks are ideas. Attention getters. Gimmicks are very rarely "bad". The question comes in when a guy is placed with a gimmick and it either works for him or it doesn't. Some guys can't do certain things and the gimmick is thusly inhibited. Also, some gimmicks are executed horribly, but it doesn't make it a bad gimmick, it just means the writers over- or underplayed a high potential idea.

Doesn't make the gimmick bad, it just ruins it for someone who could have used it well.

Loose Cannon 04-18-2009 01:40 AM

yea, Undertaker is a perfect example.

Matt Borne as Doink will always be a personal favorite of mine. Perfect execution.

Adrian Adonis throwing away his tough guy image and turning into "The Adorable One" was amazing in it self. He got that thing over and you can argue that was his best performance.

Speaking of Bastion Booger.....Mike Shaw, the guy who played Booger, got over in NWA/WCW playing the loveablE Norman the Lunatic

Val Venis did a tremendous job with his introduction promos to get his character over.

Kamala is another one that comes to mind. He had longevity with his gimmick.

therocksays 04-18-2009 01:53 AM

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Loose Cannon 04-18-2009 02:02 AM

Buff Bagwell was just Marc Bagwell being himself

Xero 04-18-2009 02:04 AM

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1.../buffmusic.jpg

therocksays 04-18-2009 02:07 AM

lmao i was waiting for someone to post that pic

Xero 04-18-2009 02:12 AM

The Xero always comes through.

Xerzes 04-18-2009 02:42 AM

Does Ultimate Warrior count? "crazy guy who runs a lot and shakes the ropes" seems rather limited. He made it work by being batshit insane.

7spike 04-18-2009 03:48 AM

I'd say Undertaker and Kane. I think had anyone else been in Undertaker's shoes, they wouldn't have been able to pull it off. Kane has been through a lot of bullshit, and can nowhere be described as an eventful career lying ahead of him, but he still exists, so he's made it good I guess.

SIDRA 04-18-2009 03:53 AM

http://www.gerweck.net/perrysaturn.jpg

Saturn, what a weird guy. But he got over. Even with that stuttering moppy gimmick.

On a side note, what the F happened to Saturn? Where is that guy?

Anybody Thrilla 04-18-2009 04:10 AM

Saturn is presumed dead.

I really want to say Doink here, but it's hard for me to label it as a shitty gimmick. He played it to a fucking TILT, and thusly became one of my favorites of all time.

Also, just because noone has mentioned him, props to Ted Dibease. Not a fantastic gimmick, but he played it very well for many years.

Gertner 04-18-2009 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Team Sheep (Post 2506527)
LMFAO Vito in a dress, I used to love that shit :lol:

I really liked Kerwin White while it lasted. Yes it was very stupid for Chavo Guerrero but he played it well

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fucking rep for posting this. greatest god damn gimmick ever.

Haze 04-18-2009 11:22 AM

It has already been said a couple times, but before I even read any of the posts my first thought was Undertaker.

XIII 04-19-2009 11:15 AM

goldust
mankind
razor ramon (even tho that was his idea)
glacier
al snow head

Rammsteinmad 04-19-2009 11:21 AM

http://marktremonti.mlblogs.com/phot...aletorborg.jpg

:lol:

Volare 04-19-2009 11:23 AM

YES!

Vastardikai 04-19-2009 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Powered Toast Man (Post 2506534)
Gotta say IRS

what he/"I" said.

Casey Jones 04-19-2009 09:16 PM

I think the Undertaker is a perfect example of a man who made a shitty gimmick look excellent.

My Final Heaven 04-20-2009 09:33 PM

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IRS is my pick all the way. Mike Rotundo was such a BMF, you could probably give him the gimmick of wrestling in his pajamas & he'd make it look legit.

Xerzes 04-20-2009 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 2506888)
I really want to say Doink here, but it's hard for me to label it as a shitty gimmick. He played it to a fucking TILT, and thusly became one of my favorites of all time.

"to the hilt." Like stabbing someone with a sword. Putting it all the way in. To the hilt. And yeah, heel Doink was awesome.

screech 04-21-2009 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Xero (Post 2506760)
The Xero always comes through.

You've reached main-event status now?

Xero 04-21-2009 12:52 AM

#1 non-Admin in rep.

Yeah, The Xero is officially a main eventer.

screech 04-21-2009 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Xero (Post 2511853)
#1 non-Admin in rep.

Yeah, The Xero is officially a main eventer.

I am so proud of you. Will this status be reflected in a username change/upgrade?

sulzerdrone 04-21-2009 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by screech (Post 2511931)
I am so proud of you. Will this status be reflected in a username change/upgrade?

Like the Taint? :rofl:

Jeritron 04-21-2009 01:35 AM

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Xero 04-21-2009 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by screech (Post 2511931)
I am so proud of you. Will this status be reflected in a username change/upgrade?

The Xero isn't sure yet. On one hand, it would be nice. On the other, The Xero would be infringing on The One's territory in terms of naming.

The Xero will see how it goes over the next few days then make a decision.

Nark Order 04-21-2009 01:49 AM

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Jeritron 04-23-2009 06:23 AM

hmm

Theo Dious 04-24-2009 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 2506888)
Saturn is presumed dead.

He's kind of more feared dead than presumed dead... it's also been suggested that he may be hiding from the IRS. Though it is a fun fact that if you type "Perry Saturn" in Google it gives you "Perry Saturn dead" as a suggestion.

Big Fat Mike 04-25-2009 04:39 AM

Can't believe nobody mentioned the Godfather.

Vastardikai 04-25-2009 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Narcissus (Post 2511960)
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ok... so many things wrong with this vignette.

You know, if they did this song with some Country Music, instead of "Let's Hear it for the Boy," it would fix many of the issues with this vignette.

Then again, the riding in the back of a carriage together, riding horses together, chasing each other in ATVs while shirtless, and the pool-related horseplay while in speedos, riding a motorcycle together, it was probably fucked from the get go.

It probably (hopefully) came across much differently in 1984 Memphis, Tennessee than now. After all, it was a pre-Brokeback Mountain world. Now you can picture one of them saying "I wish I knew how to quit you."

Skippord 04-26-2009 02:53 AM

God I miss Rob Conway

Zeeboe 04-26-2009 11:29 AM

I can't believe no one has posted "The Honky Tonk Man" yet. An Elvis impersonater? Give me a break! But Wayne Farris took the gimmick, and made it one of the most over characters....ever.

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Afterlife 04-26-2009 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Skippord (Post 2520574)
God I miss Rob Conway

Me too. I think he and Sylain were completely wasted after their split.

Mooияakeя™ 04-26-2009 01:44 PM

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Lock Jaw 05-10-2009 10:17 PM

IT'S A REVIVAL!!

Only to say that Disco Inferno was one of the most Awesome things about WCW.... and he was a guy with a freaking Disco gimmick! He took that joke of a gimmick and became pretty over as a character.

Lock Jaw 05-10-2009 10:18 PM

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Dorkchop 05-10-2009 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xerzes (Post 2506806)
Does Ultimate Warrior count? "crazy guy who runs a lot and shakes the ropes" seems rather limited. He made it work by being batshit insane.

I'd say no because Warrior created that gimmick himself. He got ridiculously over from whatever the hell he created. It's different than guys like Umaga, Kane, or Kizarny who are told what there gimmicks are before debuting.

Theo Dious 05-10-2009 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skippord (Post 2520574)
God I miss Rob Conway

It must be horrifying to be you.

James Steele 05-11-2009 02:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 2537658)
IT'S A REVIVAL!!

Only to say that Disco Inferno was one of the most Awesome things about WCW.... and he was a guy with a freaking Disco gimmick! He took that joke of a gimmick and became pretty over as a character.

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Lock Jaw 05-11-2009 03:27 AM

That is pretty much what prompted me to revive this and name Disco Inferno.

Not Booked 05-12-2009 02:02 AM

The best Disco Inferno moment was at that outdoor Road-Wild PPV. The entire crowd were hick-bikers. Not very many disco fans :D


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