Hardy leaving WWE
 

Apparently he is burned out says Ryan Clark who quotes partial source PWInsider.com

Thoughts / pot addiction?

what a dumb ass

...oh it's from Ryan Clark? Nevermind.

How high are we on PWInsider.com, are they as bs as Clark too?

PWInsider is pretty reliable.

Well, looks like he'll run a feud with someone who'll put him out, can't see why WWE would just take him off TV, or give him a send off. Unless they wanna get someone going over him as a new heel to take him out.

I'll speculate... John Morrison. Can see WWE doing this, I don't want it though personally.

Vince has got to be fucking PISSED considering the amount of air time hardy's had and the push he got. Kinda similar to lesnar being pushed to the moon then he just left.

If he ever wants back they'll probably lowball him on the contract offer, its obvious he doesn't have much intentions of staying around for too long compared to other performers.

Just FYI, this is on the PWInsider Elite section, so it's legit (as far as the sourcing goes).

Would explain why they're having an I Quit match.

Btw,i'm abit surprised but overall not really that bothered about Jeff these days.

I really don't care. I know he's good for business short term but Jeff is too much of a flake.

But be fair, for every 100,000 Vince has paid Jeff, Jeff has made Vince 1,000,000 probably. Jeff / The Hardy's (as a tag team) have made Vince millions over the years. Whilst not quite rivalling Cena in merch sales, I bet they arent all that far behind. Jeff has been around since the attitude era and his "high flying" style doesnt do him any favours. Vince should be greatfull, this is hardly Jeff bailing out on WWE. He has been there ( with a few brief stints in TNA / Indy's) for a long while now.

And its not neccessarilly the last we will see of him. Better he takes a break now than is forced out later.

If anything its a case of Vince missing the boat, rather than Jeff bailing out having just had a push. He should have been pushed 3/4 years ago. But what will be will be.

Anyway, if he does leave, good luck to him, I wish him every success.

Unless hes somehow managing to do this on good terms (unlikely on the back of his monster push) you gotta thin kthis might be his last WWE run for some time.

For the record, he was offered a one year deal and apparently turned it down. Take that for what it's worth.

This is a misguided post.

This is pretty big news. Jeff has been noticeably moved down the priority list since losing the WWE Championship, so it does make sense. Matt has also been going over him pretty consistently. I've got to agree with Xero -- yeah, Jeffrey might be good for business, but he's way too unreliable and unpredictable to book a company around.

Then rep me green bitch.

But no seriously, as far as "BAH GAWD ROCKSTAR LIKE ENTRANCE" goes, this is huge for the many screaming kids and spot monkeys out there who consider Hardy as their god.

This is really shocking. One of the most over guys who recently got his first taste of world gold just wants to walk away. I'm not a huge fan of Jeff, but I'd hate to see him go.

Every time he gets near the top, he pisses it away.

Don't get me wrong, if he wants to leave, more power to him, he can do what he wants with his life. With that said, he should never be anywhere near a main event again, as there seems to be no logical reason why anyone would put any faith in him.

This explains why Matt Hardy is now on RAW.

Jeff will probably be jobbed out until he leaves.

LOL. Vince is a moron.

I see the writings on the wall...

Wasn't this the exact same story as when he left the first time? First thing I thought while reading was "what year is this again?"

I don't blame Jeff Hardy at all.

The guy was primed for the a main-event push last year (READ - more than just being a 'transitional champ') and the WWE shit the bed.

Not only did they not have Jeff Hardy go over Triple H cleanly one-on-one, but they never really gave him that one major credible singles victory....unless you think that Umaga fits that bill.

The WWE shit the bed with Jeff Hardy.

Having him job at Wrestlemania was one of the dumbest things that the WWE could have done.

You are not using your brain.

Jeff wants to be more than just a 'transitional champ' or some lame ass jobber to the stars. Jeff wants to be on the same level as guys like HHH, Orton, and Cena. Unfortunately, the way the WWE are pushing him, he'll be a poor man's Edge at best.

In other words - Jeff will never be THE #1 guy in the company...or co#1...or be billed as such....despite being ridiculously over with the crowd at many times last year.

It still boggles my mind that Jeff never once got a clean victory over a legit top star. Did he even beat Edge one-on-one cleanly?

Jeff got two or three clean victories over Triple H, one of them on PPV.

1) Were any of them one on one?

2) Did any of these 'clean' victories not involve outside interference of any kind?

If the answer to both of these questions are no, then you are a moron that needs to quit wasting my time.

and Jeff's push being halted was his own damn fault. He was on his way to the top and then failed a drug test. You wanna blame someone for the pot holes in his career, than blame Jeff himself.

Pretty sure Jeff Hardy went over Triple H clean at Armageddon 2007 with a jackknife bridge pin, didn't he?

Jeff Hardy was lucky that he got to be the WWE Champion. Yes, Jeff is fucking over and moves merchandise, but Jeff won the WWE Title with one fucking wellness strike left before the WWE had to release him. Will Jeff Hardy ever be the #1 guy for the company? Probably not. Should he be the #1 guy for the company? Fuck no. His own brother is better and more reliable than he is.

The WWE have shit in the bed with so many guys over the years. Rob Van Dam his 2001/2002 run; Rhyno after returning from his neck surgery; Randy Orton as a face in 2004; Christian, Matt Hardy and Shelton Benjamin in 2005. Jeff Hardy is not in a unique position. He's gotten a riskier push than pretty much anyone else in recent WWE history.

Part of me is wondering if this is a bit of a positioning move by Jeff, though. The guy may not be a mastermind, but this might be something from the Carlito book, where Jeff threatens to leave the company in hopes that they forget about all the risks with using him, and push him further than the moon when he does put pen to paper.

If Jeff Hardy thinks like this than he's a mark for himself and needs to leave the buisness.

Hey, at least they can make Matt Hardy's star with this. Matt has always seem like the company man when it came to the Hardy brothers, so I think it is only fair that Jeff's heat is absorbed by Matthew Moore Hardy.

When Chavo Guerrero forced Rey Mysterio to say "I quit," I don't think he'd ever looked any better. Maybe when he defeated CM Punk cleanly with the ECW Title on the line. Matt Hardy getting Jeff Hardy to do the same thing could be something that really puts him on a new plain of credibility.

Sigh.

+1

Hes lucky to get the push he got. They could have easily tied him up in a contract, left him midcard for life and still moved all his merch while he couldnt do jack shit about it.

I don't blame him.

Another moronic observation on your part. You seriously can't be this stupid...:nono:


It's interesting that you cite the Chavo Guerrero scenario as an example.

Let me ask you this: What is Chavo Guerrero now? Is he a main-eventer? What? Is he any more over now than he was back then? What?

No. The truth, is that Chavo is still a pissant that most casual fans do not give a shit about. The reasons?

-The WWE refuses to push him
-There is too much of a bottleneck in terms of (stale) main-eventers.

Ultimately - the WWE didn't do squat with Chavo Guerrero, and also made Rey Mysterio look weak in the process.

Chavo didn't end up looking credible....Rey however, ended up looking like a pussy.

The point I'm trying to make is this: Matt can embarrass Jeff all he wants. However - it means JACK SHIT if the WWE doesn't do anything with Matt. Given the WWE's track record, I don't expect them to do anything with Matt......and this is the point, that your feeble little brain does not comprehend.

Moron.

Mysterios parents made him look weak by getting him out of the oven before he had finished rising:shifty:

Now tell us how you really feel, Casey.

LOL, I actually heard people talking about Chavo Guerrero the other day.

Not sure what point you are really trying to make here, but I'll try and decipher it.

No, Chavo's not a main eventer now. I didn't really say he was. I just said he looked pretty fucking good when he did what he did at one point in time. Of course the WWE didn't follow-up with it, but that's the whole fucking point. If they followed up with something like that, it could make a heel look really good.

Which is what you pretty much said in your last paragraph, so you pretty much agree with me but decided to attack me about it? Is that the way you treat your gay lovers?

Looks like TNA is in his future

They shit the bed with Hardy by not trusting someone with 2 wellness strikes? Yeah, what were they thinking?

What were the WWE thinking when they pushed Shawn Michaels and Randy Orton during their respective pushes?

What were the WWE thinking when they pushed Hogan back in the day?

Double standards should never exist within the company, but it's not like the WWE hasn't done this before.

Why not allow Jeff to become the champ (PROPERLY), and then see if he screws up or not? The WWE did it with Rob Van Dam....and then he got caught with marijuana possession. Solution? They took the title off of him.

It's not rocket science.

Hardy should have had a chance; 2nd violation or not.

He did get a chance you half wit. Beeting H clean isn't what defines a chance. He was given the ball in wa y that if he did get that third strike it would be a massive botch. They gave him the ball and protected themselves. WHat the fuck are you on about Heyman?

Few things:

1) It's spelled 'half witt'. :D

2) Beeting? :roll:

3) And yes - beating Triple H cleanly during his push last year would've been a huge fucking thing.

4) When you have a chance to elevate someone (anyone) from a rising mid-card star into a major long term main-event guy, you push the guy. Fuck the wellness policy. If he fucks up, then penalize the guy AFTERWARDS. No big deal. They did it with Van Dam, they did it with Orton, etc., etc.

Very rarely, especially nowadays, does the WWE actually have a guy getting massive face pops from the crowd....almost begging for him to get elevated. When you get a guy like that, YOU PUSH HIM. Plain and simple.

You don't let some fear of some fucking wellness policy kick in.

Moron.

The wellness policy did not exist for Shawn Michaels. When he was doing coke off women's backs, he wasn't nearly about to get released. As for Randy Orton? Well, the WWE just covers up his suspensions and says that he did them.

And what exactly where they thinking when they were pushing that Hogan guy who made FUCKING PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING!

The chooses with Hardy, though, are to ignore his problem, and end up with another Eddie Guerrero situation, which was the whole purpose behind installing the Wellness policy in the first place; or they end up with Hardy violating the strikes and getting released. It's lose-lose with him.

The thing is that if Jeff Hardy screwed up while champ, I'm not sure if the WWE are allowed to delay releasing the guy that violates three times, but that's him out the door while he's WWE Champion. That doesn't look very good. Rob Van Dam wasn't in a position where he was about to be fired.

Besides, it's not like they didn't put the WWE Title on Jeff Hardy. They fucking did. They would probably be willing to do it again. If you're asking why Jeff Hardy doesn't go over every single talent in the WWE, when he could be gone from the WWE today and in TNA the next, you are a fucking idiot.

Yeah Destor FFS its much better to push him to the moon and then when he gets coked up the night he wins the belt and kills a prostitute you make him drop it the next day before getting fired. Its better for the business all around.

Plus you can use the prostitues corpse to create a new star, you know like they did with Katie Vick and Kane.

You obviously dont understand the business as well as Knoblet here.

Heman, shut the fuck up with the spelling argument cause I dont even begin to care and it wont make anymore right. Drop it. Cause I promise I not through with spelling and grammer errors.

You missing somevery key things. Van Damn, wasn't one strike away from being out on his ass. Niether was ORton. Hardy was. If you can't reconize the difference, you very stupid or must be trolling and we'll just stop talking now.

Beating H would be big yes, thats why A) they shouldn't do it often. and B) they shouldn't have done it with Hardy. Hardy fails drug test. Hardy is terminated. Hardy goes to TNA where he can brag about beating TRiple H clean. BAD BUISNESS.

Hey Heyman, guess what, midcard isn't evil. Hey, guess what? He will sell as many T-shirts in the semi main as will in the main. SO you know what? It doesn't fucking matter how he goes over, it matter that you protect you stars.

So his push, doesn't have to be to the top, cause whether you can realize thsi or not, as long as you keep him strong, he's gonna keep sellin. And they did.

Smark.

Fuck, they give him the title and you still bitch.

:heart: Destor

:lol:

1) Um, not it's not. It's someone with half a wit. Half-wit.

2) Irony. Destor's still right.

3) He went over Triple H and The Undertaker in like back-to-back weeks. Regardless of if it was "clean" or not, Jeff Hardy was winner.

4) Wow. Just wow. I need to look into the wellness policy a bit more, but you do realise that Jeff Hardy is done when he next fucks up. He is done. Out of the company. A free agent. You don't push that man like he is fucking Hulk Hogan. Hardy is lucky he got one WWE Title reign. And fuck, it's his decision to leave the company. If he stuck around, I'm sure he'd get his win back against Matt at Backlash, and then probably be a top face on SmackDown!. That's nothing to sneaze at.

I'm not even sure the WWE can have Jeff Hardy compete after he's violated the policy three times. Is it instant termination? "Oh yeah, our skinny junkie World Champion had to vacate the championship. He's better than everyone else in the company, but we're going to have a Silver Medal Battle Royal tonight." That doesn't look good. And it doesn't look good for the press if their champion is terminated for using drugs, and they have to use him on television after they know he has violated the policy, because of convenience.

The rewards still outweigh the risks by a significant margin.

Case in point - Brock Lesnar.

The WWE pushed him to the moon and as result, created a new main-eventer.

Lesnar however, ultimately quit the company. Were the WWE completely ruined by the fact that they spend so much time and effort in pushing Lesnar, only to have him leave? Not really.

Same with RVD when he beat John Cena at One Night Stand back in 2006. RVD gained massive credibility that night. Was the WWE completely ruined by the fact that RVD got busted on marijuana possession a month later?

No - looking back on it, it wasn't that big a deal. RVD dropped the ball, and the WWE moved on.


I am not trying to deliberately be a dick to you.....knoblet. However - I do require a certain amount of intelligence when I debate with others. Unfortunately, you, and most others on the forum today, have not met that standard.

Perhaps this Kane Knight character that you guys keep referencing can provide some decent challenge?

You just argued in another thread that WWE needs new main eventers as the old ones are stale.

Yet now you are championing a guy who according to track record will fuck up and after minimal time be gone from the Main event scene. Not to mention sighting two of WWEs big projects falling through as being no big deal while I repeat saying the WWE needs new Main eventers.

I suggest that perhaps those guys the WWE thought werent such a big deal would probably help with the whole stale Main eventers thing.

Anyway my parts for my car are here so my fun time here is over. Happy trolling Knoblet.

Nevermind guys, he's trolling.

No ways he beleives this shit.

Kane Knight could not deal with you. At least we speak the same language as him.

No, the WWE may not have gone bankrupt after Brock Lesnar left the WWE, but what they have now are two other televised promotions they have to deal with. Both getting more and more funding. If Jeff Hardy goes to TNA or ROH, he will take an audience with him. Luckily TNA did not have much of a purse at the time Brock Lesnar left he company.

Also, guys like Hulk Hogan put over Brock Lesnar. Since then who has Hogan put over? No body. Wait, that young kid, Shawn Michaels. But the best thing Hogan could do for him is beat him, because that would make him look good.

Stone Cold Steve Austin and Triple H were apparently hesitant to put Lesnar over, and when Lesnar left the company, I bet they had a big fucking chuckle about how they were right. Guys that fuck up their pushes like Lesnar and Hardy just make it a thicker jungle for younger stars to break through.

You know something, even if he does end up leaving, he'll be back. They all want to be on the big stage.

Course...I'm sorta just not caring as I haven't watched any wrestling in...............3 years now.

[QUOTE]http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/beeting :roll:

It has every fucking thing to do with whether the victory was clean or not. What if Triple H had never beaten Mankind cleanly back in 2000 (on three separate occassions!). What if The Rock hadn't beat Austin cleanly at Wrestlemania 19? Or if Austin hadn't beaten Shawn cleanly at Wrestlemania 14?

You seriously can't be this fucking stupid.



You again miss the point. The rewards CLEARLY outweigh the risk. If Jeff gets that major victory...the WWE get a new long term main-event star. If he fucks up, you throw him out....and you move on. Were the WWE "completely ruined" when RVD got busted for smoking pot after beating Cena for the ECW title a month earlier? No. Use your brain.

Oh, no way. I miss the days of Vermaat, though. :(

With Lesnar you also have to consider that they KNEW he couldn't compete in the states so there was no fear fo him doing anything conrstructive until his star power winded down a bit.

Jesus christ Casey...LEAVE IT ALONE!

[QUOTE]I argued that the WWE needs new long term main-eventers. Jeff Hardy fits that bill....or atleast did last year.

Often times - there is only a small 'window of opportunity' to really push a guy and maximize the push. Orton had that in 2004 before the WWE fucked it by turning him into a face. The WWE made the same mistake with Lesnar back in 2002 (i.e. turned him into a face way too soon).

Hardy last year, was getting popped HUUUGE. He should have not only won the world title, but should have done it CLEANLY over a top tier guy...like at Summerslam or something. Regardless of his two strikes.

[QUOTE=Casey Jones;2511887]No, you missed my point: Destor may have incorrectly spelled the word, but it doesn't make him any less right. e.e. cummings was too cool for punctuation, and so is Destor.

The wins against Triple H and The Undertaker felt fucking epic. We're not talking about Stone Cold, Triple H or The Rock here. We are talking about Jeff Hardy breaking through the glass ceiling with two mammoth wins.

Also, I don't think The Rock beating Austin at WrestleMania XIX was that fucking important, really. It was just getting a win back. He was pretty much done with the company at this time, anyway.

And no, RVD did not fuck up the company completely when he got caught with pot. But he wasn't on his last strike, and he was only fined. Jeff Hardy will be fired. RVD certainly did fuck up the WWE's plans, though, which is a major inconvenience for them.

[QUOTE=Casey Jones;2511893]Hardy is a huge fucking star for the company, and is choosing to walk away. Fuck. The junkie probably just wants to be free to do some drugs again.

Fact: Noid and friends think that it would be a good idea if CM Punk won MITB next year.

My view: CM Punk should move on to bigger and better things. The WWE should seriously build him up this year and have him win the Royal Rumble. A guy like MVP could win MITB next year.

Fact: Noid thinks that an upper mid-card wrestler beating a top-tier wrestler NON-CLEAN is still epic.

My view: While the above is true, I feel that a CLEAN victory has far more meaning...and in Jeff Hardy's case, would have meant a lot more.

Fact: Noid and friends think that the WWE should not have pushed Jeff Hardy to the moon due to the fact that he was on his 2nd wellness violation.

My view: Rewards outweighs the risks. If Jeff was given his "awesome and epic clean victory", a new long term main-event star would have been created. If he 'fucked up' afterwards and got his 3rd strike? No big deal. Can the guy. Move on. Just as they did with others in the past that left the company in one way or another (i.e. Lesnar, Goldberg, etc.).


I am winning...and am not really being challenged.

LOL

[QUOTE=Noid;2511896]Either that, or "the junkie" simply doesn't want to be a transitional main-eventer that will never have a chance of being the legit top guy....or co-top guy.


Moron.

whateva troll

It would certainly get him a lot of heat they could bank on.

[quote=Casey Jones;2511909]You know how bad a guy not named Hogan would get burried for thinking that way?

LOL what a mark Hardy would have to be. I realy don't think Hardy is a belt mark though so it's a pointless convo.

Before this conversation I really would have put Heymen up as one of the few people on this board who aren't a mark. Now though? Yeah, def a mark.

Pedigree.

Boom.

It's all over.

:::repeat x3:::::

Matt Hardy goes back to being a mid-card loser.

Until the WWE does a better job of allowing mid-card talent to break through the glass ceiling and not being transitional champs at best, the WWE will never address its main core problems.

With that in mind, it's basically irrelevant if the WWE has Matt embarrass the shit out of Jeff......and that's the point that everyone in this thread, besides me, has missed.

Jeff Hardy is a good entertainer, that's something about him that I will miss

You know, winning an argument usually entails convincing somebody somewhere of something.


All I'm sayin'

You haven't convinced me of that yet.

Hoho




Clever girl

I'm convinced Heyman is a troll.

1) The WWE would have been better off by having MVP win Money In The Bank as opposed to CM Punk. This way, a new mid-carder would have been elevated, and would have had some kind of notch under his belt. CM Punk should have been built up far better this past year, and should have been fighting with Edge for one of the world titles.

2) Jeff Hardy being pushed correctly would have been beneficial for the company...regardless of his two strikes. The rewards clearly outweighed the risks in this case for the company.

3) A non-clean victory does not hold much significance amongst the fans, whereas a clean win does.

4) There should be ONE clear #1 guy in the company, and this should be solidified at Wrestlemania. Austin became that guy at Wrestlemania 14. Shawn Michaels became that guy at Wrestlemania 12. And so forth....

5) The glass ceiling is a very real problem in the WWE. The ultimate goal for the WWE should be to create a limited glass ceiling that allows for promising mid-carders to rise within the ranks and become LONG-TERM non-transitional main-eventers. This environment, at the current time, and for many years now, has not existed. Therefore - I believe that all of Matt's victories over CM Punk, Jeff Hardy, etc. will have been in vain if he ultimately gets spanked by the likes of Triple H and John Cena...or numerous occassions. It will ultimately mean nothing. Chavo Guerrero putting Rey Mysterio out of action also ultimately served no purpose. The ends justifies the means.



Those were some of the arguments that I presented...and felt that I was victorious on....by a large margin.

I leave up to you to decide whether you agree with those or not.

In my opinion however, your wrestling knowledge and intuition is not up to par if you do not see things in that light.

Not a single person in this thread seems to agree with you on all those points collectively.

If your opinion is that nobody reading this has wrestling knowledge and intuition etc., then sure, that's great.

But I think a light should be going off in your head somewhere when every car on the road appears to be driving the wrong direction.

Or every single person here is a moron except you. That's perfectly reasonable, right?

NOW I'm convinced. :y:

Shut up, Casey Jones

Casey Jones. You win. You are obviously better educated, more intelligent, and have a bigger penis. Now kindly fuck off you douchebag troll. Nobody gives a fuck what you think fagbait.

Based on the weak arguments that have been presented my way, combined with the fact that I have destroyed and nullified all of these arguments, combined with the fact that these same posters continued to present the same material despite being proven wrong, gives me no reason to believe otherwise.

If I see an intelligent and respect worthy poster, I will say as such.

LOL

I am not looking to "win."

I am looking to engage in a good wrestling debate.

As of this writing, I have not been presented with such. The arguments that were thrown my way were weak, ill thought-out, and poorly presented. As result, I easily nullified all of the arguments and was left desiring for more.

So you have no real reason to stay on these forums, is what you're telling me--after all, everyone here is clearly your intellectual inferior.


Which means you're just trollin'.

You are not a part of the solution....you are a part of the problem. Your actions indicate as such.

You are also a pathetic Dave Meltzer wannabe.

In my opinion, it is you who should shut up.

I have presented some high quality wrestling discussion tonight. What have you presented?

Heyman: OM NOM NOM NOM!

Discussion requires two people

:lol:

That remains to be seen. I am only commenting on what I have seen so far. It is that simple. I am unassuming.

I wonder what Michael Stima would say.

:shifty:

In your mind. If your looking to "engage in a good wrestling debate" maybe calling everyone that disagrees with you a moron right off the bat isn't the best way to do it. It's funny that what you consider weak arguements make sense to the rest of the world. There is no debate when all everyone gets from you is "you're wrong,you're a moron."So again, If you ever get the opportunity to fuck off, don't let me hold you back. The world is your oyster young man, go be an asshole for the whole world. :wave:

P.S. Hi Heyman. :kiss:

lol

GIVE ME YOUR ADDRESS, MORON!

POWERED TOAST, MORMON!

This thread is make it or break it for giving me your address, moron