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Zeeboe 06-20-2009 12:53 PM

Bret "The Hitman" Hart vs. "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels
 
Let's find out once and for all who is the more popular wrestler on tpww.net.

Dorkchop 06-20-2009 02:37 PM

El Dandy

Nicky Fives 06-20-2009 03:29 PM

I like Bret more, but HBK is better....

TSI 06-20-2009 03:40 PM

im a hbk kinda fan..but ill say this...this thread will not stay civil for very long

jony lions 06-20-2009 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TSI (Post 2588348)
im a hbk kinda fan..but ill say this...this thread will not stay civil for very long

go fuck yourself

now its started:wave:

Kane Knight 06-20-2009 03:48 PM

Michaels is awesome. Too bad most of his fans are drooling idiots.

Now it's started.

The Fonz 06-20-2009 04:50 PM

Things I No Longer Care About:

Potsie
Ralph
Richie
Chuck
Chachi
Mr. C
Mrs. C
Joanie
Bret Hart
Bret Hart Fans

Ol Dirty Dastard 06-20-2009 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kane Knight (Post 2588356)
Michaels is awesome. Too bad most of his fans are drooling idiots.

Now it's started.


Zeeboe 06-20-2009 05:15 PM

Shawn Michaels doesn't care about black people.

Ol Dirty Dastard 06-20-2009 05:24 PM

What are you talking about he was mad boys with Ahmed Johnson when they teamed at Survivor Series ;)

James Steele 06-21-2009 12:23 AM

I'll give you 3 guesses at who I voted for.

ministrychick77 06-21-2009 12:48 AM

hbk. never been a bret fan...

thedamndest 06-21-2009 01:46 AM

I will remind you all that HBK is already TPWW's favorite of the two after defeating Bret Hart in the first ever TPWW Dozens when Bret Hart failed to garner enough support to even put together a team. This poll is meaningless.

Zen v.W.o. 06-21-2009 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nick55555 (Post 2588343)
I like Bret more, but HBK is better....

I like Bret more, and Bret is better...

The Gold Standard 06-21-2009 01:58 AM

This argument is out of control. It will never end. I am sick of it. I am a huge Bret Hart fan, but I just don't care about this debate anymore.

TSI 06-21-2009 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jony lions (Post 2588354)
go fuck yourself

now its started:wave:

oh come on now:D...im not starting anything...i just know that this debate never ends well...the fact is this is one of these debates that will never be settled...its like yankee and red sox fans trying to debate on whos better...we could be here forever

Zen v.W.o. 06-21-2009 02:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TSI (Post 2588621)
oh come on now:D...im not starting anything...i just know that this debate never ends well...the fact is this is one of these debates that will never be settled...its like yankee and red sox fans trying to debate on whos better...we could be here forever

The difference there is that Sox fans are quite delusional and actually think it's a debate. Meanwhile, checking their history, it doesnt compare, and they are generally the yanks bitches. Coming from an unbiased point of view.

Zeeboe 06-21-2009 03:01 AM

Debating is not needed. It's just a poll to see who is more popular. How about we just vote, and post why we voted for who we voted for and leave it at that?

Kane Knight 06-21-2009 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zen v.W.o. (Post 2588645)
The difference there is that Sox fans are quite delusional and actually think it's a debate.

Yeah, only one side of that debate is delusional.

That is completely different, since both sides of the Hart/Michaels "debate" are staffed with little more than delusional marks choking down someone's cock.

jony lions 06-21-2009 09:24 PM

good one.its a poll not a?lets not be morons and try and intimidate eveyone else? debate.just vote dont need to hear your philosophy on it.....:nono:

Kane Knight 06-21-2009 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jony lions (Post 2589352)
good one.its a poll not a?lets not be morons and try and intimidate eveyone else? debate.just vote dont need to hear your philosophy on it.....:nono:

"It's like he's trying to talk to me, I know it!"

Juan 06-21-2009 10:56 PM

http://forums.pcpitstop.com/style_em...orse-fast2.gif

Xerzes 06-22-2009 02:16 AM

Needs a "shut up Zeeboe" option.

James Steele 06-22-2009 02:21 AM

Zeeboe, I found your best friend and he misses you:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BbbW4nFN_S...8/s400/cp8.jpg

KYR 06-22-2009 02:31 AM

http://llamabutchers.mu.nu/archives/...ple%20vote.jpg

"I see stupid people..."

Zeeboe 06-22-2009 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Steele (Post 2589783)
Zeeboe, I found your best friend and he misses you:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BbbW4nFN_S...8/s400/cp8.jpg

:lol: You should post that on my comment page. :y: I'm getting quite a little collection of pictures just like that on there.

Jeritron 06-22-2009 11:47 PM

Since these basically serve the same purpose as the BW threads, I will be closing them if they continue.

Also, the Bret vs Austin one has already occured, and the matchup of this thread has been done a million times.

Nowhere Man 06-23-2009 12:03 AM

Christ, how many times do we need to do this?

Zeeboe 06-23-2009 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeritron (Post 2591297)
Since these basically serve the same purpose as the BW threads, I will be closing them if they continue.

Well, I think some of us should be allowed to pick the polls too sometimes. But as the teenagers say, "whatever".

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeritron (Post 2591297)
Also, the Bret vs Austin one has already occured, and the matchup of this thread has been done a million times.

But has there ever been an actual poll to see who was the more popular?

Jeritron 06-23-2009 03:01 AM

Yes.

Zeeboe 06-23-2009 03:03 AM

Alright, well, before I created the thread, I did a search to see if there was already a thread on the topic, and I found nothing. But if your last post is true, then as they say out on the streets..................."my bad."

DAMN iNATOR 06-23-2009 03:06 AM

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Dave Youell 06-23-2009 06:24 AM

And I just tipped it back in HBK's favour!

Stealth-Icon 06-23-2009 06:28 AM

Sorry Dave, I tied it again.

thedamndest 06-23-2009 11:39 AM

I think we need a poll to determine whether or not people like having polls about HBK and Bret Hart every other week.

Zeeboe 06-23-2009 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedamndest (Post 2591933)
I think we need a poll to determine whether or not people like having polls about HBK and Bret Hart every other week.

So far, I have 58 reasons why people don't mind them.

DaveBrawl 06-23-2009 01:00 PM

There are currently 535 pages in this section of the board. 195 of them have to be filled with this.

Stealth-Icon 06-23-2009 01:38 PM

We should have a poll to see if there should be a poll about whether or not you like pole matches.

Rammsteinmad 06-23-2009 02:20 PM

I just tipped the scales to 30-29 for HBK and I'm damn proud of it!

Zeeboe 06-23-2009 03:39 PM

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What a feud.

Dr. Abyss 06-23-2009 03:40 PM

This is retarded it looks like someone is trying to get a fight going with this one. I will not vote because there both fucking prick there.

Zeeboe 06-23-2009 03:59 PM

All I asked was for folks to vote. Not to fight. :)

Gerard 06-23-2009 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rammsteinmad (Post 2592077)
I just tipped the scales to 30-29 for HBK and I'm damn proud of it!

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/gerald....henanigans.jpg

RGWhat316 06-23-2009 05:00 PM

Shawn easily.

thedamndest 06-23-2009 05:45 PM

Since there is no end date on this poll, HBK wins by the de facto law of 3 days on Better Wrestler. You may close this thread now.

Zeeboe 06-23-2009 08:20 PM

I wanted to give everyone, including future posters a chance to vote.

thedamndest 06-23-2009 09:04 PM

I'm sure future posters will have many, many possible opportunities to express their opinion of Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels.

Why would you even make it open and private? The only way you could have made this poll more useless is if you enabled multiple choice.

Zeeboe 06-23-2009 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedamndest (Post 2592384)
I'm sure future posters will have many, many possible opportunities to express their opinion of Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels.

Why would you even make it open and private? The only way you could have made this poll more useless is if you enabled multiple choice.

I made it private just in case some posters wanted to avoid drama based on who they voted for, and I figure, even if someone is losing in the poll, they should always have a fair chance to make a comeback.

thedamndest 06-23-2009 10:30 PM

So what does it prove if there is no end to the poll? How do you decide which wrestler is TPWW's favorite?

Jannettyzilla 06-23-2009 10:57 PM

Shouldn't this be HBK vs. Austin? Didn't the last poll kinda negate Bret?

thedamndest 06-23-2009 11:05 PM

No, you're confusing that with Better Wrestler. This is apparently the best of Bret Hart. Bret needs a win though, so coming next is Bret "The Hitman" Hart vs. "Iron" Mike Sharpe.

Kane Knight 06-23-2009 11:05 PM

Zeeb's next poll will be "who screwed Bret?"

Zen v.W.o. 06-23-2009 11:35 PM

I count 34 faggots.

Zen v.W.o. 06-23-2009 11:37 PM

It's like it always was back in the day...the cheering section for Bret had a little more bass in their voice.

thedamndest 06-23-2009 11:43 PM

Cheering sounds a lot like whining to me.

Zen v.W.o. 06-23-2009 11:54 PM

35....35 screeching faggots!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_tBG2IgYSIH...nt_dracula.jpg

thedamndest 06-24-2009 12:33 AM

I see what you've done there. You've posted a picture of the Count from Sesame Street to signify you counting the "faggots" who voted for HBK. But you've made a tactical error. In posting the a childhood television character, you've left yourself open for a barrage of jokes questioning your own mental capacity, possibly some that would go into the area of pedophilia. I don't know. Be on the look out for that.

Zen v.W.o. 06-24-2009 12:44 AM

You are over analyzing.

thedamndest 06-24-2009 12:50 AM

You just used a word containing "anal". That's a big no-no in these quote-editing parts.

KYR 06-24-2009 12:55 AM

This is totally pointless and proves absolutely nothing.

For all I know, there could have been 5 Hart fans vote for him along with 25 of their sock accounts.

Conversely, there could be 35 legitimate faggot votes for HBK.

thedamndest 06-24-2009 12:59 AM

But at least they will be spared the cold, hard drama of answering for their vote. It was more important to do it this way.

KYR 06-24-2009 01:00 AM

NOT THIS WAY!!!!! NOT THIS WAY!!!!

KYR 06-24-2009 01:01 AM

VINTAGE ZEEBOE!!!

Zeeboe 06-24-2009 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedamndest (Post 2592425)
So what does it prove if there is no end to the poll? How do you decide which wrestler is TPWW's favorite?

Look at whatever the scoreboard says at the time you are looking at it for the current result.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jannettyzilla (Post 2592442)
Shouldn't this be HBK vs. Austin? Didn't the last poll kinda negate Bret?

Like damndest said, this is totally different. More like a look back at the 90's. :) And a chance for us to let out our inner-mark.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kane Knight (Post 2592448)
Zeeb's next poll will be "who screwed Bret?"

No, no. I was thinking The Undertaker vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin. Like pretend it's May of 97', Cold day in Hell match, who do you think is gonna win, on wwf.com kinda thing, but they already have the better wrestler thread, and you have to be choosen to pick the rastlers in these polls, so fear not.

Honestly, even though I do support this thread, I decided against making it at first, but Savior's whining got on my nerves, so I finally had enough, and made the thread. I was also thinking maybe I could do a U.S.A. vs. Canada poll since I'm kinda reliving 97' again. Or maybe Hart Foundation vs. DX, but that's pretty much the same poll we are on, so maybe Hart Foundation vs. the Nation instead. I dunno....yet......

Juan 06-24-2009 03:02 AM

God Zeeboe, will you shut the fuck up already?

Tazz Dan 06-24-2009 03:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Know Your Role (Post 2589793)

It's called a mirror :p

Zeeboe 06-24-2009 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juan (Post 2592668)
God Zeeboe, will you shut the fuck up already?

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Jeritron 06-24-2009 03:58 AM

Someone needs to pull the plug.

Zen v.W.o. 06-24-2009 02:29 PM

This poll was doomed to start for you Zeeboe. Bret hasn't been wrestling since about 2000. HBK is still going, he's fresh in some older people's minds and he's there for the new fans who weren't watching back in the day, which tpww has a ton of.

Had you done such a poll while both men were wrestling in the late 90's, obviously Hart would win.

James Steele 06-24-2009 02:30 PM

:lol:

Incorrect.

Zen v.W.o. 06-24-2009 03:00 PM

No, that's correct.

thedamndest 06-24-2009 03:09 PM

You spelled "incorrect" wrong.

James Steele 06-24-2009 03:15 PM

Zen, give up already...

James Steele 06-24-2009 03:16 PM

...JUST LIKE BRET AT THE 1997 SURVIVOR SERIES!

James Steele 06-24-2009 03:19 PM

WWF SURVIVOR SERIES 1997
November 9, 1997 - Montreal, Quebec - Molson Center
  • IC TITLE MATCH: Steve Austin defeated Owen Hart to win the Intercontinental title!
  • WWF TITLE MATCH: Shawn Michaels defeated Bret Hart via submission to win the WWF title!

Zeeboe 06-24-2009 03:29 PM

Like I once said before, you're a mark. :lol:

.....Just wait. ;)

James Steele 06-24-2009 03:43 PM

:lol:

Wrestling is fake, I know this.

However, there is a reason the greatest wrestling promoter of all time felt that both the Harts weren't good for business.

Zen v.W.o. 06-24-2009 03:46 PM

He did not feel that way. Classic case of twisting the facts. You really think if he could afford to keep Bret, he wouldnt? The only reason he was making any money back then was because of Bret and his feuds.
Shawn was never around to wrestle, he was always too busy crying or pretending to be crippled.

Zeeboe 06-24-2009 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Steele (Post 2593375)
:lol:

Wrestling is fake, I know this.

However, there is a reason the greatest wrestling promoter of all time felt that both the Harts weren't good for business.

Them being the heels MAY have had something to do with them both losing that night.....

James Steele 06-24-2009 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zen v.W.o. (Post 2593379)
He did not feel that way. Classic case of twisting the facts. You really think if he could afford to keep Bret, he wouldnt? The only reason he was making any money back then was because of Bret and his feuds.
Shawn was never around to wrestle, he was always too busy crying or pretending to be crippled.

Except for the sabbatical Bret took.

James Steele 06-24-2009 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeeboe (Post 2593383)
Them being the heels MAY have had something to do with them both losing that night.....

Yes, Bret Hart and Owen were totally the heels in Montreal,Canada during a USA vs Canada storyline.

Zeeboe 06-24-2009 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Steele (Post 2593388)
Yes, Bret Hart and Owen were totally the heels in Montreal,Canada during a USA vs Canada storyline.

They rarely wrestled in Canada. I think Vince was honestly more worried about his average week-to-week audiences, and since the WWE was getting destoryed by WCW, he knew by ripping off ECW and creating characters like Austin and D-X HBK was his only choice to keep up. :yes:

James Steele 06-24-2009 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeeboe (Post 2593392)
They rarely wrestled in Canada. I think Vince was honestly more worried about his average week-to-week audiences, and since the WWE was getting destoryed by WCW, he knew by ripping off ECW and creating characters like Austin and D-X HBK was his only choice to keep up. :yes:

Which Bret was very vocal in his opposition to. Therefore, Bret held back WWF from having the success it would have post-Bret.

Zen v.W.o. 06-24-2009 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Steele (Post 2593396)
Which Bret was very vocal in his opposition to. Therefore, Bret held back WWF from having the success it would have post-Bret.

Are you honestly trying to imply that Bret could stop Vince from going through with his edgier direction? If so, that says a lot about Vince.

James Steele 06-24-2009 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zen v.W.o. (Post 2593504)
Are you honestly trying to imply that Bret could stop Vince from going through with his edgier direction? If so, that says a lot about Vince.

BUT BRET WAS THE BIGGEST INTERNATIONAL DRAW IN TEH WORLDZ!

Zen v.W.o. 06-24-2009 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Steele (Post 2593520)
BUT BRET WAS THE BIGGEST INTERNATIONAL DRAW IN TEH WORLDZ!

Well he was certainly one of them. Bigger than Michaels, whose popularity certainly faded the further north you went up on a map.
Watching the thousands cheer Sid on in MSG as he dethrones HBK is a beautiful thing to watch.

NeanderCarl 06-24-2009 10:42 PM

In late 1991, it was widely reported in the wrestling "insider" media of the time that reigning WWF Intercontinental champion Bret Hart had verbally agreed to a deal with WCW that included showing up on WCW TV with the I-C belt, mainly in retaliation to Ric Flair's NWA title shenanigans on WWF TV at the time.

The deal was nixed when it emerged that due to the terms of Bret's contract, he was not legally able to appear for WCW until his soon-to-expire WWF contract was up. WWF immediately had Bret drop the I-C title on a house show to the Mountie.

Eventually they were able to convince Bret to return and re-sign with the company, but the very fact that Bret had a verbal commitment to show up to WCW with the I-C belt goes to show just how "honorable" he is. Funny how he neglected to mention this turn of events in his autobiography, and not surprising that Vince McMahon should have concerns surrounding Bret defecting with the belt when a similar circumstance arises a few years later.

Kane Knight 06-24-2009 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zen v.W.o. (Post 2593243)
This poll was doomed to start for you Zeeboe. Bret hasn't been wrestling since about 2000. HBK is still going, he's fresh in some older people's minds and he's there for the new fans who weren't watching back in the day, which tpww has a ton of.

Had you done such a poll while both men were wrestling in the late 90's, obviously Hart would win.

If by "obviously," you mean "I'm saying it only because I'm one of those rabid Canucktards," Yes.

Yeah, Michaels is still going. Yeah, he's fresh to those young and old. Yes, Hart is some washed up cripple only rabid Canadians give a shit about.

But really? Obviously Bret would win? Based on wishful thinking? Or maybe that the majority of TPWW's Kliq hadn't been born yet?

Kane Knight 06-24-2009 11:06 PM

However, there is a reason the greatest wrestling promoter of all time felt that both the Harts weren't good for business.

LAWL.

Juan 06-25-2009 02:02 AM

LAWL

KYR 06-25-2009 02:07 AM

LAWL dustin

Juan 06-25-2009 02:08 AM

lulz

James Steele 06-25-2009 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kane Knight (Post 2594022)
LAWL.


Please tell me who was a better wrestling promoter than Vince McMahon.

DaveBrawl 06-25-2009 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Class Act Carl (Post 2593975)
In late 1991, it was widely reported in the wrestling "insider" media of the time that reigning WWF Intercontinental champion Bret Hart had verbally agreed to a deal with WCW that included showing up on WCW TV with the I-C belt, mainly in retaliation to Ric Flair's NWA title shenanigans on WWF TV at the time.

The deal was nixed when it emerged that due to the terms of Bret's contract, he was not legally able to appear for WCW until his soon-to-expire WWF contract was up. WWF immediately had Bret drop the I-C title on a house show to the Mountie.

Eventually they were able to convince Bret to return and re-sign with the company, but the very fact that Bret had a verbal commitment to show up to WCW with the I-C belt goes to show just how "honorable" he is. Funny how he neglected to mention this turn of events in his autobiography, and not surprising that Vince McMahon should have concerns surrounding Bret defecting with the belt when a similar circumstance arises a few years later.

Not saying that story is or isn't true (I have no way of knowing), but just saying that it was "widely reported" is very far from being written in stone, especially in the wrestling industry in the early 90's.

Why did they have him drop the belt if it was just an unfounded rumor? Maybe Vince heard the rumors and thought they were true. I don't know, but a lot of things have been widely reported and not even close to true. Maybe Bret started the rumors himself to get more money on his next contract.

Kane Knight 06-25-2009 12:01 PM

James, you're adorable. Don't ever change.

NeanderCarl 06-25-2009 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superbrawl83 (Post 2594514)
Not saying that story is or isn't true (I have no way of knowing), but just saying that it was "widely reported" is very far from being written in stone, especially in the wrestling industry in the early 90's.

Why did they have him drop the belt if it was just an unfounded rumor? Maybe Vince heard the rumors and thought they were true. I don't know, but a lot of things have been widely reported and not even close to true. Maybe Bret started the rumors himself to get more money on his next contract.

Bret politicked as much as the next guy in his day. If you look back through the years, he was quite regularly "considering a move to WCW" and placated by title wins, lucrative contracts and the ilk during his WWF run. Look at his very first World title win, which took place in the same month his contract expired/was renewed. At that point he was apparently firmly decided on a WCW move. Vince played the World title card, and Bret stayed.

He may bleat about "always being loyal" to the company, but simply working somewhere for a number of consecutive years doesn't neccessarily equate to loyalty. Bret's loyalty mainly laid with his wallet and his ego.

FourFifty 06-26-2009 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Steele (Post 2594467)
Please tell me who was a better wrestling promoter than Vince McMahon.

I'm sure you can find more creative people, people with better business skills, richer people, and people who are in one way better than Vince McMahon.
However, it doesn't take one thing to be a better promoter. Vince is overall better than anyone else in the past 50 years.
You want proof? TNA is the second biggest wrestling promotion in the USA. Let's compare TNA to WWE.
"what about WCW? Or ECW? Or World Class? Or AWA?"
Yea, all property of WWE now.
There is no better wrestling promoter, regardless of how business may look today, than Vincent Kennedy McMahon.

Kane Knight 06-26-2009 09:57 AM

LOL 450.

James Steele 06-26-2009 02:19 PM

Kane Knight, instead of LOL and LAWLing like a jackass please tell me who is a better wrestling promoter than Vince McMahon.

DaveBrawl 06-26-2009 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Class Act Carl (Post 2594951)
Bret politicked as much as the next guy in his day. If you look back through the years, he was quite regularly "considering a move to WCW" and placated by title wins, lucrative contracts and the ilk during his WWF run. Look at his very first World title win, which took place in the same month his contract expired/was renewed. At that point he was apparently firmly decided on a WCW move. Vince played the World title card, and Bret stayed.

He may bleat about "always being loyal" to the company, but simply working somewhere for a number of consecutive years doesn't neccessarily equate to loyalty. Bret's loyalty mainly laid with his wallet and his ego.

That's my point. He probably had no desire to go there, but he was just spreading the rumors to get title runs and more money. As far as I can see no one has any loyalty, despite what they say, in any form of business.


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