If you had to choose between a Trish return and a Lita return...
 

Who would you hope returned more? Trish Stratus or Lita?

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Trish

My initial thought was "Why is this even a question? Trish by a mile."

The more I think about it though, I don't know. They would both bring different things to the table depending on how they were used. I'll still say Trish though.

Especially since the PG rating would leave Lita and all the jokes at her expense just lame and watered down.

Trish without even blinking before I answer.

Trish, easily. They both did great things for the women's division, but Trish just embodies "WWE Diva" ya know?

Although I want to give oral to both Trish and Lita, I would have to choose Trish.

You may want to think about that.

Trish, easily.

I had a dream once that Trish was beating me up, but I was enjoying it.

In my dream, Trish picked up and cradled me over her right shoulder. I don't know what she was going to do next, but I got a boner and it poked into the area between her shoulder and chest. She then said, "wow."

The dream ended and I woke up. I had cummed my pants.

This dream happened in 2000 by the way.

I was 19 at the time.

Thought about it.

Would still do it.

Even though the erections of Edge and Matt Hardy have been in there, I'd make sure that her shit was clean before doing the deed.

Trish.
I wanna see her in a match against Nattie Neidhart

Trish....pairing her up with Jericho would be amazing

Trish, but you have to remember if she came back, her showing off any "assets" is gonna be thrown out the window.

Let's see, either a super hot good wrestler who knows how to play a character and cut a promo, or a fairly good looking shit wrestler who's voice makes me want to put super glue in my ears. What a contest.

Trish, obviously.

I want to close this thread cause it's so rediculous. But I wont.

Lita was never the same after her neck surgery. If she returned more solid in the ring I'd vote for Lita because she does bring something a little different. However, knowing how hard of a worker Trish is I have to go with her.

You mean the assests of kick ass wrestling or the assets of a fantastic pair of tits? Both work alone but I'd rather have Trish for her fantastic wrestling ability then her huge knockers.

I will stick with Trish over Lita

Wow, not one vote for Lita yet :lol:

I'll vote what I always do when this kind of question comes up, a resounding "MOLLY"!

i'll soundly go with lita.

trish was amusing, but that's it for me. she was a 'diva-turned-wrestler', while lita was just a wrestler.

But Trish was a diva-turned-great wrestler where as Lita was a good wrestler turned to shit wrestler.

Turned to walking joke.

Trish's growth from debut to "retirement" was astounding. Lita was excellent in prime, but as time went on it was pretty evident Lita needed to be paired and Trish could hold her own.

So, despite anything I ever expected I'd say, I too pick Trish.

terrible logic

Yeah. Lita might have been just a wrestler, but in the end Trish was a way better wrestler than Lita.

Apparently if wrestling wasn't your first job then you can never be better than someone who went straight into it.

well i'm sorry... i never really liked trish..

and lita.. well damn. always liked lita

nothing wrong with that

Going with Trish....better wrestler...better promos....and ran the greatest Diva storyline with Mickie James....:)

Hell yeah, I always wanted a threesome with them. Trish all the way. At the end, Lita went to a good wrestler to a $5 hoe with I dont know how many STDs.

Lita was a good wrestler?

Before her neck injury, she was decent. She had good aerial ability and was also really good at sucking Edge's dick.

Trish because she is hot.

I think pretty much the only real impressive move Lita actually had was that bullshit kick-back DDT facecrusher move...other than that she was just a strange woman who SEEMED to have the skills, but was always a half-step behind Trish's silhouette...

Trish. :drool:

Lita as a manager. Lita was absolutely awesome in her role with Edge and it really added alot. Besides, I don't like women's wrestling and generally think it's just a huge waste of time and money. Sure you have some good women's wrestlers but for every Beth Pheonix there seems to be like 5 Marias.

Only in the WWE...

Maybe. I've just never seen a women's match that couldn't have been done 10000 times better by men. I understand that sex appeal is part of it and that's why alot of them have jobs but I could turn it to any other station on television really and see scantily clad women all over the place. When I watch wrestling, I want to see wrestling.

you haven't seen enough wmoens matches then.

SHIMMER

Women Athletes

Well, considering I never really watch much from other promotions, I don't think I'll be going out of my way to watch a bunch of women's matches.

Your loss. It's a shame though, because it's that kind of attitude that will never allow a women's match to be taken seriously in WWE.

What? I'm not saying that there aren't good women's matches in feds that aren't mainstream but I generally don't really watch other promotions. It's not even a "I don't watch anything but WWE" attitude, it's more of a time thing. I'll catch TNA once in a blue moon but that's really it.

Besides, my comments were made more towards women in the WWE. Women's matches are generally piss breaks.

I think WWE Diva's matches have made a lot of progress in the last ten years. We don't have women in bra and panties, we have women that can actually wrestle (for the most part), and we have matches on a regular basis. None of these things happened ten or even five years ago. The notion of using women as sexual objects to sell tickets is pretty deeply ingrained in the minds of the mainstream wrestling fan. Undoing that thought process is going to take a lot more years of Trish Stratuses before people stop seeing it as the piss break match.

This is the attitude I was talking about. Most wrestling fans are programmed to hate women's wrestling, so much so that the term "piss break" has become a cliche.

Granted, some of the women in WWE aren't the the best athletes, but sometimes they will pop out a good match, but you will never hear about it because everyone is on a "piss break"

Too true

It is not my fault or the general fault of the viewers to see these matches as a piss break. We've been conditioned to view women's wrestling as a complete waste of time by the WWE, not by our own accord. I feel like the WWE owes me some money for all of the bra and panties matches, gravyboat matches, and french maid pillow fights I've been subjected to over the years. The women's title is generally booked on the undercard, is never really made to seem like it is worth much of anything, is constantly switched back and forth between talented and non-talented ladies, and we are encouraged not to watch the actual moves but pay more attention to the "puppies". The WWE has made every possible effort to make sure that Women's wrestling is not taken seriously. What do you want me to do here?

I dunno, don't let WWE brainwash you?

Form your own fucking opinion and not use the lame "WWE makes me think this way" excuse for why you are a sexist.

The WWE has been making lots of efforts to "class up" their Divas wrestling. They don't have the slut matches anymore. Yes, the title is on the undercard, but is also on a PPV more often than either the US or IC title (or both). As for switching the title back and forth between talented and untalented people, I guess that never happens with the men, right?

They need to gimmick up the women's matches. Like ladder matches and stuff. I've seen Beth and Katie Lea do it, there's no reason the likes of Mickie, Maryse, Michelle, etc. couldn't too.

I do have my own opinion, you guys just don't like it. I think Women's wrestling is a complete waste of time and money. I've already explained to you all why. Am I not allowed to think this way?

I never said that there isn't a good women's match once in a blue moon because there is. But why should I not view WWE Women's matches as a pissbreak when they have like a 10% success rate? Maybe they are trying to class it all up again but it's just going to take a little more time before I can start taking it seriously again after all they damage they did to it over the years. I've had as much halloween gavy pillow panties on a pole matches as I can handle here.

Once again, I'm not saying any of you are wrong for liking it. I just don't and think it is a waste of time. Maybe it's time to be more accepting of those with conflicting opinions?

It's one thing to have opinion, but it's a another to let what WWE had done in the past to form the opinion for you.

Why would I not let the actions of the WWE help form an opinion about an aspect of the WWE?

Think outside the box, dustin.

Now who's speaking in cliches?

I'm not trying to come off a *huge* women's wrestling mark, but I just don't think it gets a fair shake in today's era.

Cool, that's your opinion. It think it's a huge waste of time and money, as previously stated.

Vintage deflection. You must have learned that from RP.

Yeah because WWE told you so lol

At least my opinion is my own and now what I've been "conditioned" to believe.

What am I deflecting? What do you want answered here? I'll be happy to answer your questions but I think you guys are getting a little hostile here over something silly.

I think you're right. I don't think Women's wrestling gets a fair shake these days but it isn't my fault of the fans faults for thinking it's inferior. WWE made a complete joke out of it for almost a decade.

Vintage Narc.

Just admit that you were brainwashed by WWE and I'll be on my way.

I don't really think I understand what you're trying to say here. You're telling me that I'm just "another face in the crowd" as far as all of this goes because I don't like Women's wrestling in WWE based on WWE's portrayal of Woman's wrestling over the past 15 years? What else do I have to judge it off of other than the programming I am subjected to?

And you've also previously stated that you've been condition to feel this way. Which EXACTLY like saying you're not thinking for yourself.

Narc will of course argue in circles for the next thrre pages to avoid admitting any fault.

DEFINE BETTER

I'm saying that you have been brainwashed by WWE. Nothing more, nothing less. You can spin it any way you like.

No, I think you guys are either misunderstanding what I'm saying or are just trying to get a rise out of me. WWE rarely gives time to Women's matches, rarely has talented ladies competing (which is getting less common these days but you still have alot of useless Divas around), doesn't make a big deal out of Women's competition, and tells us to pay more attention to the ladie's bodies rather than their in ring skill on purpose. They basically set them up to fail before hand. I don't take the division seriously because the matches are subpar, there is no character development (not in all cases, but generally), and the people making the program don't even take them seriously.

I'm saying that over the course of the past 10-15 years, I just haven't been interested in the matches or the way that the entire division is portrayed. I'm not saying that these Women do not have the potential to put on great programming, but they really aren't even given a chance to do so. Alot of you think I'm saying that Women in general can't perform and that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that the way the division works and the amount of time they are given to perform, it's nearly impossible to be taken seriously. Do I think that Beth and Mickie could main event a RAW for the Women's title in a 2 out of 3 falls match? Yes, I do and it would probably be pretty damn good, but will it happen? No. It won't. We will mostly likely get a gravytrain match instead.

You can edit that post now.

I haven't. I usually only watch WWE and I never really see great women's matches the way that the division is. I know it's much easier to paint me out as sexist than to really listen to what my actual point of view is but come on. lol

You're right. They aren't given the chance to...BY YOU. And why? Because the WWE isn't putting them over.

you = tool

Lita. You see, I like Trish and I hope she is successful and happy enough outside the wrestling business to never have to come back. I actually hope Lita is too but if one of them had to return, I'd pick her.

Narc, you are blaming the WWE when you are enabling the WWE. You are no worse then a family member who cries over their sibling doing crack but you'll take them to go buy a damn rock.

Somehow I enjoy the womens matches WWE puts out there that deserve it, and how you ask? I watch them and give them a fair chance. Im not blindly letting the WWE years of conditioning me to dislike something on site. If that were the case I would take a piss during tag matches and crusierweight matches too.

Alright Destor, I won't go take a piss the next time there is a bra and panties match. Will this make you happy?

ONLY MALE SINGLES MATCHES FEATURING A MEMBER OF THE KLIQ ARE WORTH MY TIME!

+CENA MATCHES! YAY!

You're broadening the subject matter here. The point is that you think women's matches in WWE are a waste because that's what WWE has conditioned you to believe. You either need to broaden your horizons and watch other wrestling besides WWE or not let WWE's booking have such profound impact on you.

Feel free to piss during those...can't even remeber the last one of those I saw tbh but their only purpose is smut unlike a WRESTLING MATCH. Which somehow you are confusing.

You can tell a smut gimmick from a match right?

It started that way

If I hear that the matches are good, I usually go back and watch them on DVR. As it stands, there are rarely outstanding Women's matches in the WWE. I've said nothing about the quality of them in other promotions because I rarely watch other promotions.

You guys just don't want to hear that somebody doesn't like something that you like. I was willing to leave this as just conflicting opinions, you guys dragged this out into something bigger than it was.

No it's REALLY not that. You being so close minded that women's wrestling isn't worth your time is thre problem.

Exactly.

I couldn't care less what you do or don't like, it's your logic that is bugging the shit out of me.

That's not what I said. I told you that I'll go back and watch the matches on DVR if I hear that they are good. It's just like matches involving guys that I don't think work well (Henry, Koslov, etc.). I don't usually watch them unless I hear it's something I should watch. The track record for women's matches just isn't very good given the amount of time that is given to them and the talent that the WWE chooses to display sometimes.

Seems like no matter what we say, you're still going at have an "out" so this is really pointless now.

First women's matches aren't worth the time, now you're saying you'll go back and watch them if you hear they're good. Make up your mind, then get back to me.

Right and instead of judging them based on being bad workers (like Henry and Koslov) you judge them on their vaginas. I dont give a lot of attention to the matches from the "divas". No different then the poor male workers. But the girls who CAN wrestle? All eyes on the screen. And the WWE has a good number of girls who can go. But you wouldn't know that cause you're in the bathroom.

They really liked each other.

..and lol, the womens wrestling is only worth his time if someone else tell him about it.

An "out"? Am I supposed to get on my knees, tell you you are right, suck your dick, then shoot myself in the head for causing you trouble or something? What do you want? I don't think any of us are right or wrong. You really want me to say I'm wrong here but I don't think I am. I think it's a matter of opinion.

I already said in the beginning that there are some good women's matches but you don't want to acknowledge that. I've said all that can be said on the matter. Either agree or disagree.

You're ridiculous. YES NARC THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WANT.

I agree with Juan that you're a sexist closed minded tool.

I've got to side with Narc here. The vast majority of women's matches in WWE are pretty terrible and sloppy and are generally there for the eye candy. I won't shit on the entire concept of women's wrestling, because I know there are a lot of great female wrestlers out there. But WWE's concept of women's wrestling is not what women's wrestling should be.

Plus, it's hard to take your opinion on this matter seriously, when it changes from post to post.

Why is it that of all the stuff I say, you only acknowledge like the first sentence?