Matt Hardy says...
 

He is a pathetic fucking liar. Matt Hardy is not a world champion. Matt Hardy needs to get over himself.

I think I got to him. He said smart or sarcastic, but I used razor-sharp wit that probably cut him to the bone.

I get the feeling Matt and Jeff Hardy secretly fuck eachother

Yeah but one was before, one was after.

WE DID IT! A legit tag team becomes legit singles World Champions!


When a great tag team splits, one member usually goes on to be great while the other one struggles.


Since when is having the ECW title so great.






Too late :shifty:?

That Matt Hardy's point was that normally tag teams split up and one does well possibly culminating in a world title win and the other does badly. By identifying APA, you have proven his point as Bradshaw went onto bigger and better things claiming a world title whereas Ron Simmons didn't.

Yeah but not a world title.

Let the guy be excited for christ sakes. It's true that tag teams never achieve that, and it is true that the Hardys were a massive draw and sold a boatload of merchandise.
APA is a different example. For the most part, tag teams go the way of the Rockers or The Hart Foundation when they break up into singles careers.
Both Matt and Jeff have been successful on their own merit.
Ron Simmons was successful beforehand, and wound up in APA when there was nothing left for him. JBL won the WWE title, no denying that, but it wasn't really on his own merit.

I think the best argument against what he's saying is Edge and Christian. Since Matt won the ECW belt and Christian won the TNA(NWA) belt, I'd say they're about even with the Hardys.
That's fitting though, since what they accomplished as tag teams they did together.
My only hope is that Matt and Christian capture the WWE or World Heavyweight belt(s) at some point.
Still don't see the harm in a guy being excited for both himself and his brother, when everyone thought he'd go the way of Marty Jannetty and his brother would go the way of River Phoenix.

Oh shut the fuck up.

The ECW World Title is just as legit as all of the other titles being handed out nowadays.

Matt also mentioned him and Jeff holding world titles at the same time.

I love the "no detours" thing. Because losing your job, losing your push, getting handed the world and blowing it certainly wouldn't count as a detour.

But KooSH is right. The ECW is no less valid than The HHH and John Cena championships.

A dream come true-two blood brothers, two World Champs! A first ever in the WWE!



fROM HIS PHOTO SECTION AT MY SPACE

I wonder if they buy those pants in bulk or what.

They bought everything Hot Topic had at the close of the 90s, and they're still in business thanks to them

I really can't believe Jeff is WWE Champion though. I've envisioned it since 2000, but never fully believed it would happen until last year. Once he got suspended before Mania, I thought it would NEVER happen and now I'm shocked it has.

He's really the last guy left that I predicted/rooted for to become world champion that has or will. Dating back to the attitude era, I wanted to see a group of guys win the big one.
Jericho, Angle, Benoit, Eddie, Booker T, RVD, Edge and Jeff. Now, they all have. Even Orton and Cena, who I wanted to win the title in 2004 went on to do so.
Even CM Punk has. I guess Matt Hardy is really the only one I want to see become WWE champ now, that hasn't. Christian too.

I always like to see new and interesting champions, but I don't care nearly as much about whether or not Morrison, MVP, Kennedy, or whoever wins the belt as I did with Jeff and Edge, etc.

In a way, it's the end of a childhood wishlist, and as a result an era

Poor Matt Hardy, and his thinking the ECW Title is a legit World Title. He was kicking ass and taking names on Smackdown, and a real world title push could very well have been his in time... but then Jeff gets traded there, and Matt is demoted down to ECW.

Then I guess Taz, Raisin, Shane Douglas, Sandman, etc. were never legit World Champs?

Oh wait, they were because it was in the "Real" ECW, not this "fake" ECW stuff Vince McMahon is passing it off as!!!!

I would have thought it would have been the other way around, that Jeff would have been ECW champ and Matt WWE.

Makes Sense. After all, ECW was always a WWE tertiary title not treated as a world title by the owners.

Stop being cynical about our cynicism :(.

But it's like all of ECW seems to be on Raw or Smackdown at the same time and whoever the ECW champ is always gets beat by guys who can't get win the big one on the other 2 shows. I wish it wasn't, because Matt Hardy is much better than what they make the ECW title out to be.

I am happy for the Hardy brothers. Wait wasn't the E & C Connection a legit tag team to hold the world titles.

Not in the WWE.

Yeah, but they're not going to say Christian former TNA champ.

This might be kayfabe from MH anyways, get jealous of the attention Jeff is getting as WWE champion when he won his "big one" first and turn heel on him.

Champion Vs Champion, brother vs brother at Mania could be awesome and raise the ECW title. I hate to say it but I can't see Jeff holding it that long though, and that's not even taking a wellness violation into account.

I'd laugh if Jeff winning the title was just their way of them announcing Jeff's third Wellness Violation, thus getting fired. So that way they can say that they would even fire one of their own World Champions if they went three strikes.

JEFF HARDY! JEFF HARDY! JEFF HARDY!

So was Matt taking a shot at Edge and Christian? Or more specifically TNA? Weren't they both champs at the same time? Edge the WWE and Christian the NWA?

TNA title's on par with the ECW title, which is between the IC/US division and the WWE/WH division.

I'd say TNA's title is above the ECW Title and the IC/US stuff.

Sting

In that same logic, you can say Sting hasn't really been a wrestler since WCW collapsed.

Really, I'll be honest...does any World Championship matter. I mean Jeff Hardy won the WWE Championship last night, and I still don't care. It might have something to do with the shitty looking belt encrusted with diamonds, the spinning WWE logo, and the world "Champion" being shortened to "Champ", or maybe something to do with the shitty, overdone wrestling matches. But hey that's me...

EDIT: I know I'm going on a rant here, but you people are arguing that one fake championship means more than another fake championship. I bet if this conversation went from "Does the ECW Championship mean as much as the WWE Championship" to "Does the WWE Championship mean anything", you would realize you are bitching about apples and oranges.

By that logic, you could argue that nobody's been a main eventer since the boom period ended.

World Championships matter to the extent that if you have one or are feuding for one you are probably on tv, and if so good for you, but other than that their prestige has been done away with the fact that there are three of them for one company.

Where's that McDonalds championship? I bet if I won that I'd get more respect than the ECW champ. No knock against the title itslef, but WWE treats it like the IC Title at best.

I just want to say, the ECW Title is more credible as a World Title than the TNA Title since it's been bereft of the NWA status. And seriously, ever since the McMahon run and Lashley's stripping, the ECW Title has been a decent belt. Yes, even Henry's run was not entirely without merit.

Argue all you want but Matt Hardy is a legit world wrestling champion. TNA had the NWA title when it meant nothing and nobody said that their champion wasn't a world champion. Matt Hardy also defends a "world title" across the world. Something that a hell of a lot of other wrestling world champs can't say they have done.

Rob knows

I think he meant "deterred".

Sorry for the Jeff Hardy marks, (I know I'm one too.) But who thinks Jeff will lose the belt at the Royal Rumble, or No Way Out.

Right now, I want to say NWO, then he's gonna get pissed about losing, and cut a promo about how he wants the WWE title back and blah blah blah. Then get into the MITB match and win, then cash it in on some random day and we'll see what happens.

I'd like to think that the whole reason Edge won the title from HHH is so that Jeff can finally beat HHH for the belt at Wrestlemania. I think this run will be short for Jeff, but that it's the dry run to see if he can take the weight on his shoulders before they hand it over to him on the big stage.

Seriously... the TNA title has left the USA like, what, one time?

A World Title has nothing to do with actually being "world". It is the company's top titles. In WWE, this is the WWE AND the World Title. While the ECW Title, despite being called a "world title" is not treated as such. So within the confines of its own company, it is not as legit.

For me, a world title has to be a real title. I don't really give a shit about a wrestling prop but for argument sake, I'm more impressed when it's defended in more places than Nashville and Orlando. I'm also more impressed when it's not a glorified indy title defended infront of 600 members of the trench coat mafia who hate everything remotely popular outside of their jerk circle.

I'd have to say both are important, but I'd say that defending it against wrestler's of other countries is more important. A world title defended only against people from America, but defended around the world is still rather exclusive. Likewise, if you defend it against peeps from other countries, but your belt has no exposure outside of America, same thing.

Ultimately, most "World Titles" are simply the highest title of a company/brand. On that note, TNA's is a joke.

A world title is a title with granted world title status. It's not up for debate among fans. The ECW World Title is a title because the WWE and the industry consider it to be so, it is called such, and is defended among the world. It's the highest ranking title in it's "promotion" since there are brands.

We can choose to acknowledge this in our own worlds or not, but it's a world title. It's as much of a world title as the original ECW title was. I'm not saying I like it more, but it is.
It's also as much of a world title as TNA or ROH. Same views apply.

Psh, how do you expect to be taken seriously when you compare the TNA title to... anything.

Well the original ECW Title wasn't considered a "World Title" until Shane Douglas won the NWA Title (and subsequently threw it down declaring the ECW Title as a World Title).

Therefore, if you consider the old ECW Title as a "World" belt you surely must have to extend the same courtesy to the NWA Title when TNA used it (and thus the TNA World Championship as it stands now).

Personally, I don't consider the ECW Title in it's current form to be a "World Title" and I don't think many others around here did until Matt Hardy mentioned it as such.

WWE recognizes all the guys in the original ECW to be former champions, so to me, as shitty as it's been booked at times, the current ECW title has always been a world title.

Incidentally I think we should consider that "World" status stopped being an official and governable status for a title when wrestling stopped being a sport and became sports entertainment. When it was a sport, "World" status was subject to sporting review boards, now it's subject to creative teams.

Exactly.

And that's why the ECW Title is more legit than TNA and ROH title's.

That's like saying "And that's why John Wayne Gacy was a better man than Osama Bin Laden."

Not really

Well, I certainly find your rebuttal to be reasoned and logical...

Just don't have the energy to get into it, but its not really comprable

About as logical and reasonable as your initial comparison.

It's fallacy

The ECW Championship is on par with the Intercontinental and United States Championships. I don't give a damn if they do occasionally refer to it as a World Title, it's not anywhere near the prestige or respect of the World Heavyweight or WWE Championship belts.

According to the logic of some here, it's a World Title because the WWE said it's a World Title. Since when did that mean anything?

Look at the level of talent that goes after the ECW Title: Mark Henry, Kane, Finlay, Matt Hardy... it's a freakin' mid-card title, no matter what they say.

Matt can delude himself and say that he and his brother are both World Champions, and to some extent it's true, but he knows, we know, and everyone else knows that Matt Hardy's championship status is not on par with that of John Cena or Jeff Hardy, atm.

Where does Matt Hardy go from here?
 

Do you think his recent push complete with wins over his brother and new ring attire is actually going to go somewhere? Honestly, he is looking pretty legit now. I know he's been hitting the gym to try to complete his new image and I hope he gets a bit more cut. He's one of those guys that has always been solid in the ring and can hold his own on the mic (granted he still needs a bit more work on the stick). He isn't afraid to go for the big spots but doesn't need to rely on them to have a good match. Is it possible that he'll ever get a main event push or do you see him staying under the glass ceiling forever?

He'll always be second to Jeff. Upper carder for sure, even fill-in main event feuds for down times, but I never see him getting much more than a token title run.

Upper mid-card 4 life!

Yeah, I tend to agree but I still don't exactly know why. He is a better mic worker than his brother and is overall better in the ring. Jeff has charisma in a different way and has the "everyman" look going for him but I'll never understand why fans attach to him so much in comparison to Matt. More spots?

As far as I'm concerned, They're both good, but lack that untangible "it" factor. Above average, but just.

Jeff has "It". Matt doesn't.

To me, it seems that the WWE seems to sway back and forth on which Hardy brother they really want to push. It looks like one gets themselves into such a good position, and the other is so far behind that there's no way they can catch up, and then boom -- suddenly the other one is moving up and the other is staying stoic.

I'm not going to say that Matt Hardy has "it." Hardy is the better of the two, though, no doubt in my mind. Matt can cut a better promo, can play a better character, and is a better worker and more reliable talent overall. Matt Hardy has all the tools to be a World Champion in the WWE -- at least on paper.

I'm sort of hoping that we get the World Heavyweight Title match of Edge vs. Jeff Hardy vs. Christian vs. Matt Hardy at WrestleMania 26.

Raw.

Even though the fued might blow-off for a while, I don't think it's over. I think they'll continue to have altercations occasionally, and eventually the "unfinished business" will come to a head.
I think having Matt align himself with Edge somewhere down the line is where it should go.

You know, once Jeff goes over in this feud Matt will be back down to where he was before, anyway.

So far Matt has shown that he is capable of being a face or a heel to Jeff's face. He still has a way to go in finding what kind of a heel he is going to be and establishing himself outside of "I'm angry because I hate Jeff Hardy" but I think he's got potential. They booed him as Matt Hardy Version One, so there's no reason that, provided he steps up his mic skills and go over credible faces, he won't continue his momentum. He's got some time in the company, and because he started so young, he has that cross-over appeal to new fans and fans who have been watching since the Attitude Era.

I don't see a main event push happening soon, but there also isn't any need for one. Just keep building him and he can get there in time. There will be a lot of vacancies happening soon. Matt might not be one of the first guys that springs to mind to fill them, but he can be with the right booking.

Nah, I think the heel turn and slight make-over has moved Matt Hardy up to filler main event heel status for at least a while. I don't think we'll see US Champ Matt Hardy or ECW Champ Matt Hardy anytime soon.

Matthew is one of the names I hear often thrown out as a potential winner of this year's King of the Ring tournament, if they do it. Truthfully, he might be the one to get the most out of it. It can serve as an achievement that keeps Matt's head above water, even when his booking doesn't.

Well, I think if they did it right, Matt's "Black Cloud" gimmick could do for Matt what the "Rated R Superstar" gimmick did for Edge. They'd have to build him to be a legitimate buzzkill though. I could just see it "Cena had the match won and then the Black Cloud came looming overhead!". Cena is probably a bad example as Matt won't be going over him anytime soon but I could see it working well. A face is gaining momentum and then the Black Cloud comes in as the buzzkill.

i think if he wants a world title he needs to change his look. his wrestling isn't bad at all, his mic work is at very least par, but he just looks like shit, no homo, to be honest. not samoa joe bad, but he's packing on the pounds lately, and that's not gonna get him a title

LOL, I read that in my head to the voice that does the "This Day in WWE History"/WrestleMania Flashback segments. That would be an epic video package, especially if it was done in the Attitude Era style.

Draft Matt to Raw. Book Matt vs. HBM

Matt would probably look more threatening if he cut his hair. A guy's hair can be very important to him when it gets to a certain length, but Hardy seems so devoted to playing this character. I almost expect Matt Hardy to show up with a crew-cut soon. I mean, why switch to proper wrestling tights? He's getting more serious, and wants to be able to move more freely in the ring. Why keep long hair when it can dangle in front of face, impairing vision, and can be pulled by an opponent, giving them an advantage over you?

At first I didn't think Matt would change too much about his appearance. I mean, he basically just said "I don't like Jeff." There's no reason for that to change him. But he seems to be tying turning on his fan favourite brother with getting a more focused career going for himself. Bring on the haircut.

I'd just like to say that back in 2003, even when Australia didn't get SmackDown!, I was so ready for the prospect of a "Thuganomics vs. Mattitude" feud. That is all.

LOL, now I can't stop thinking about it being done in the voice.

Really, because all signs point to the fued having it's blow-off, at least for the forseeable future, last week when Matt won for the second time.

I think one of the Hardys will end up on RAW. Giving how much merchandise he moves, I think it could be Jeff Hardy. They could keep the feud going on Superstars, which can feature interpromotional matches, or something.

Matt Hardy beats John Cena for the WHC at Mania 27.

Matt Hardy beats Edge, Christian and Jeff Hardy to walk out of WrestleMania 26 World Heavyweight Champion (not the main event).

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I also wouldn't mind seeing the Twist of Hate again

I think he needs to get rid of the long hair, and the theme music, new theme for a more serious Matt

you have a dumb name, but hit the nail right on the head