Orton vs HHH/Orton vs Cena
 

No and no.

Nobody wins.

Whoever wins, we lose.

pinfalls do not count in this match therefore the match will be restarted.

the stipulations will be 'the fans die a little inside' match

This is one of the reasons I have been feeling that Orton has gotten stale. He has no one new to face. It is HHH, Cena, and Bats. Thats it.

However, I would like to see a long feud between Orton and Cena, I know it isn't the same, but similiar to Austin/Rock. They seem to work well together, and Cena takes the best RKO.

I would love to see Trips bury Cody though.

No it does not matter!!!!

Fuck these matches................and close this thread.

I dont even bother watching when theyre on tv anymore

Not really both these feuds have been way overdone. That much more reason to look forward to Legacy and DX crumbling. Might actually shake things up a little then again maybe not.

Orton gotta get that IED thing going again.

Him vs. The McMahons were good times.

Orton needs....

*sigh*

I was about to say "Orton needs an injury", but the last hiatus didn't help him. And I remembered that Batista is coming back, and even after his injury leave, he's still going to be a boring, bland entity. So I doubt a break from tv is going to freshen Orton up at all. To be honest, I think the only way to consider saving Orton is to put him on SmackDown, but I don't want to risk muddling Ziggler or Morrison.

What needs to happen is that Cena gets sidetracked into another grudge feud, like Triple H is right now, and a new contender takes Orton's belt in a total upset. I don't care if it's MVP, Henry or Evan Bourne, someone new has GOT to get involved.

I think you are completely right. I would not mind MVP taking the belt.

Look, I don't care if Triple H is champion. Honestly, I don't if anyone is going to hog the spotlight on RAW. I would much prefer him and the way the title looks just does not help the title scene at all.

They also could us Shawn Micheals or fuck if they had balls EVAN BOURNE!

But the E lost its balls when it got the F out.

It seems to be that Vince is gonna be in the same bind he was in about 5 years ago when he couldn't figure out who to push to the main event. There were plenty of guys already in the locker room worthy but instead we got a juggernaut like rookie that lasted all of what a few years if that. I just hope history doesn't repeat itself and Vince takes a risk on someone for a change.

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So much potential for Orton, all lost once the Royal Rumble PPV ended and Shane appeared on RAW

His potential has been gone since he lost the WHC to Triple H in '04

Otherwise, He is another great waste of money.

Cmon he just punted Vince in the skull and had some momentum, first time since 04

No there was no potential for one thing I can not agreee with Vince Playing the victims. I would much rather see Randy Orton and Vicne working side by side. But, Vince does not play the victim good at all because we all know he is piece of shit.

So him punting Vince meant absoultely nothing and while he did have good build up to WM 25. Randy chose not to put forth any effort into his performance. WM 25 showed how much of a piece of shit Randy is and how much he loves slapping the business in the the face.

He can't wrestle in your opinion.

Around the time that he punted Vince and RKO'd Stephanie the crowd was in the palm of his hand. He had momentum, but they neutered him and turned him into a chicken shit heel.

You do know that Randy doesn't book the angles and matches himself, right?

No Orton turned himself into a chickenshit heel.

Yeah always blame the booker.

So the writers book everyone's character except Randy Orton?

Orton has made it clear on several occasions that he dislikes being a face so I wouldn't be hoping for him to have one anytime soon.

Excuse me and listen and shut the fuck up, ok?

Randy Orton has a piss poor additude and also he is one of theones backstage that has some say so in what goes one. Hell, look at what he had done to Mr. Kennedy.

So do I believe the writers book everyone elses character? Yes I do.

But there are select few back stage you and I both know this that get a say so in what they want to do. Randy being one of them and Writer not a booker can not write everything they do in match and expect them to memorize it. Its fucking impossible so at WM 25 Triple H was giving it his all but ORton thought it was beneath him and gave us 15 minutes of headlocks instead.

Do I know Orton has talent? You bet I do he just chooses not do anything with himself.

Kane86 is talking out of his ass again.

No thats my opinion you don't have to agree but you can show some common deciency and respect it.

On topic, I like watching Orton and Cena wrestle, but I do agree that the feud is overdone (as is HHH/Orton). Like Afterlife said, someone new needs to emerge while the top guys get sidetracked with grudges.

It seems like RAW has too much ME talent for its own good, but if some of those guys were in grudge feuds, fresh faces could rise to the main event.

Evan Bourne needs to rise to the occasion.

I never said I didn't respect your opinion. I respect everyone's opinion because I'm a stand-up guy. I just said you're not making any goddamn sense.

Yeah I am

So you tell me to shut the fuck up, and then you want people to respect your opinion? Right.

Good luck with people respecting your opinion.

For one thing Matt Sydal has been wrestling for years I bet if you put that title on him he would be going nowhere. You know kind of like his now going nowhere. IWA-MS closed it doors so he doesn't have many other places he can wrestle outside of ROH.

Its not like we are talking about Brock Lesnar here.

Lets see you started talking down to me again like you always do. Get over it if someone tells you to shut the fuck up.

That ban really didn't teach you anything, did it?

It's okay. Neither does he.

lol

I mean Evan Bourne is good talent and has wrestled for years. He is the new guy they could put the title on and he won't leave. Thats what I meant about saying this not Brock Lesnar we are talking about.

I was only asking you questions, how is that talking down to you?

You really are a sensitive prick, aren't you?

LISTEN HERE GODDAMMIT I AM HAVING A FUCKING CONVERSATION!!! KEEP AT IT FUCKING THAT!!!

THIS IS FLIPPING OUT WRITE THAT DOWN IN YOUR FUCKING BOOKS SMARKS!!!!!

"keep at fucking that"

Can you translate that into something legible?

Nope, not at all.

Mother fucker I really appreciate you being the first one to start shit with me for no fucking reason......................

GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE IF YOUR NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT WRESTLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I WILL NOT TOLERATE THIS GANG UP ON ME BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, but he's still not "big news". Because he's not Matt Sydal, he's Evan Bourne. He's doesn't have the big history, and whereas he was hot hot hot in ECW, they put him on Raw -- a move I say was too soon, anyway -- and now they don't know what to do with him because Raw is afraid of new stars.

He needs to be built to be champion, not just thrust into it. He's a fantastic talent in the ring, but he needs more character time and he needs to earn the spot. He doesn't have nepotism on his side.

I was asking you serious questions and then you told me to shut the fuck up. Tell me again how I started shit with YOU?

I'm all for putting the title on Bourne, don't get me wrong. It's just way too soon for it. He needs to develop himself personality-wise (since he already "has it" in the ring).

*tries to keep the discussion going so the thread stays open*

Look the only way we are going to get something new on RAW is if they just throw somebody in there.

I can remeber Triple H while not on PPV defending his title against Hardcore Holly to Tazz.


Look, We don't have to put the belt on him hell give the person 2 or 3 matches. Just anything besides Cena or HHH.

Adamle is on a roll

The problem with putting Bourne in World Title matches (even to lose) is that he's not really even that credible yet. Yes, he's on RAW now so he has moved up, but that doesn't make him automatically ready for big time matches on PPV. I'd say The Miz (as unpopular as he may be here) would be okay to do that, or even MVP (though they literally have no idea what they're doing with him right now).

Totally forgot MVP is in the Tag Title match. Ah well, my point still stands until after the fact.

Well how can he be made credible if he has only been on RAW like a handful of times. He is just being told to sit on the shelf and collect dust.

You can't make a person credible without doing anything with them.

Jack Swagger has not been there long enough to be champion. Also, He needs to stay away from Mics because that lisp will kill his career.

RAW needs to get rid of the writers and bring back BOOKERS!

Evan Bourne has not giving a chance to be champion at all. Hell he doesn't even get used at all now.

You can make a person credible without putting a title on them.

You said he deserves to be in big matches, and then you say this. And you wonder why people jump on you?

What I'm trying to get across is that there are other people outside of the main event who are more credible (that is, will been seen as having a chance in a title match) than Evan Bourne.

Some examples: Mark Henry (even though I find his ring work to be sub-par), The Miz, Jack Swagger, MVP, Big Show (bias here), and even Kofi (solely because of the US Title).

Swagger has been a champion in WWE. Ergo, more credible than Bourne in a World Title match. And the lisp is a big part of his character. Speech issues haven't really held people back before (see: Ric Flair, Dusty Rhodes, etc.)

BUt your not getting what I am sayign how can you put him in big name matches when he is just sitting there.

The Miz is nothing without Morrison he just a talker not a wrestler.

Yes Big Show would be a prime person to choose.

I will take Funaki/Orton over Cena/Orton any day at this point.

A wise man once told me don't argue with fools, 'cause people from a distance can't tell who is who.

And that's exactly why you've been arguing with us for a page and a half. We get what you're saying, you don't get what we're saying.

Can someone just read the argument that we're having on our pages? I'm havin' a blast and want someone to see it hahaha. And to contribute to the thread I must say possibly moving John Morrison to Raw may actually not be a bad idea the way he's been booked lately. But then again, Raw writers, not sure if it'd work out with him in the WWE title scene.

Yeah pretty much. Honestly, I don't know what they can do other than maybe have HHH take the belt off of Orton and have HHH and HBK feud till Mania, then maybe hopefully have the draft shake things up.

Hilarious!

Too much ME talent for its own good, RAW has.

I honestly think some of the guys, maybe from SD!, need to move to ECW and try to make it a credible show and have some of the Raw talent move over to SD!. There's just too much main event talent right now.

Moves definitely need to be made on RAW, there's no doubt about that. And for that to happen, moves need to happen underneath. I know I just repeated what you said, but I figured this would be better than just :y:

Don't say "draft".


Thank you, Yoda.

There has been too much ME talent on RAW for like 3 years now.

What I can, I do.

And everyone has been expressing the same gripes all this time.

That made more sense in my head, I swear.

:shifty:

But it doesn't look like anything is going to change anytime soon on there.