Better Wrestler #91 *Hall of Fame Round*
 

<select><option selected="selected">Better Wrestler History</option><option>#1.RVD vs CM Punk (34-19)</option><option>#2.RVD vs Santino Marella (36-4)</option><option>#3.RVD vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (15-23)</option><option>#4."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Tully Blanchard (30-5)</option><option>#5."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Chris Jericho (15-23)</option><option>#6.Chris Jericho vs Brock Lesnar (34-10)</option><option>#7.Chris Jericho vs William Regal (38-14)</option><option>#8.Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (21-23)</option><option>#9.Eddie Guerrero vs Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (26-7)</option><option>#10.Eddie Geurrero vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (26-19)</option><option>#11.Eddie Guerrero vs Diamond Dallas Page (39-8)</option><option>#12.Eddie Guerrero vs "Stone Cold" Steve Austin(19-28)</option><option>#13."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Chris Benoit (32-13)</option><option>#14."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (29-10)</option><option>#15."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Sting (36-16)</option><option>#16."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (32-31)</option><option>#17.Hulk Hogan vs John Cena (15-24)</option><option>#18.John Cena vs Lex Luger (32-6)</option><option>#19.John Cena vs Ultimate Warrior (29-18)</option><option>#20.John Cena vs Dean Malenko (9-40)</option><option>#21.Dean Malenko vs Billy Kidman (31-7)</option><option>#22.Dean Malenko vs Ultimo Dragon (22-15)</option><option>#23.Dean Malenko vs Taz (15-17)</option><option>#24.Taz vs Sabu (38-2)</option><option>#25.Taz vs Jeff Hardy (25-16)</option><option>#26.Taz vs Bam Bam Bigelow (26-12)</option><option>#27.Taz vs Triple H (24-22)</option><option>#28.Edge vs Christian Cage (22-23)</option><option>#29.Christian Cage vs Raven (23-22)</option><option>#30.Christian vs Matt Hardy (22-19)</option><option>#31.Christian vs Ted Dibiase (24-25)</option><option>#32.Ted Dibiase vs "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (16-19)</option><option>#33."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs "The British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith (25-19)</option><option>#34."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs Bob Backlund (26-6)</option><option>#35."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs The Dynamite Kid (26-13)</option><option>#36."Rowdy Roddy Piper vs Ric Flair (16-19)</option><option>#37.Ric Flair vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (19-17)</option><option>#38.Ric Flair vs Andre "The Giant" (28-5)</option><option>#39.Ric Flair vs Triple H (26-11)</option><option>#40.Ric Flair vs Shawn Michaels (20-26)</option><option>#41.Shawn Michaels vs Jushin "Thunder" Lyger (26-15)</option><option>#42.Shawn Michaels vs Perry Saturn (36-12)</option><option>#43.Shawn Michaels vs The Undertaker (29-11)</option><option>#44.Shawn Michaels vs The Rock (28-30)</option><option>#45.The Rock vs Trish Stratus (21-16)</option><option>#46.The Rock vs Lance Storm (22-19)</option><option>#47.The Rock vs Owen Hart (18-12)</option><option>#48.The Rock vs Kurt Angle (5-24)</option><option>#49.Kurt Angle vs Ken Shamrock (36-5)</option><option>#50.Kurt Angle vs Rob Van Dam (23-13)</option><option>#51.Kurt Angle vs "King Kong" Bruiser Brody (20-10)</option><option>#52.Kurt Angle vs Mick Foley (31-6)</option><option>#53.John Morrison vs Braden Walker (36-11)</option><option>#54.John Morrison vs Kofi Kingston (34-5)</option><option>#55.John Morrison vs CM Punk (14-28)</option><option>#56.CM Punk vs Tajiri (28-20)</option><option>#57.CM Punk vs Booker T (24-23)</option><option>#58.CM Punk vs Samoa Joe (53-4)</option><option>#59.CM Punk vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (19-36)</option><option>#60."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs "Adorable" Adrian Adonis (47-2)</option><option>#61."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Goldberg (49-4)</option><option>#62."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (31-38)</option><option>#63."Mr.Perfect" Curt Hennig vs "Diamond" Dallas Page (51-17)</option><option>#64."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs William Regal (37-18)</option><option>#65."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Brock Lesnar (48-4)</option><option>#66."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Eddie Guerrero (39-40)</option><option>#67. Eddie Guerrero vs Arn Anderson (33-22)</option><option>#68. Eddie Guerrero vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (37-36)</option><option>#69. Eddie Guerrero vs Sting (41-16)</option><option>#70. Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (45-18)</option><option>#71. Chris Jericho vs Rey Mysterio (63-3)</option><option>#72. Chris Jericho vs Kevin Nash (54-12)</option><option>#73. Chris Jericho vs Dean Malenko (39-9)</option><option>#74. Chris Jericho vs Ricky Steamboat (41-30)</option><option>#75. Masato Tanaka vs Mike Awesome (24-18)</option><option>#76. Masato Tanaka vs X-Pac (34-16)</option><option>#77. Masato Tanaka vs Rikishi (36-13)</option><option>#78. Brian Pillman vs Masato Tanaka (31-13)</option><option>#79. Brian Pillman vs Road Dogg (44-7)</option><option>#80. Ultimo Dragon vs Brian Pillman (29-28)</option><option>#81. Ultimo Dragon vs Goldust (35-19)</option><option>#82. Ultimo Dragon vs Barry Windham (36-9)</option><option>#83. Ultimo Dragon vs Randy Orton (35-34)</option><option>#84. Edge vs Ultimo Dragon (48-8)</option><option>#85. Edge vs Jeff Hardy (54-5)</option><option>#86. Edge vs Razor Ramon</option><option>#87. Ted Dibiase vs Edge (39-33)</option><option>#88. Ted Dibiase vs Doink the Clown (59-4)</option><option>#89. Ted Dibiase vs Rick Rude (34-20)</option><option>#90 Ted Dibiase vs. Christian (39-32)</option></select>

<select><option selected="selected">Better Wrestler Hall of Fame</option><option>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin</option><option>Taz</option><option>Kurt Angle</option><option>Chris Jericho</option></select>

First vote

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Bret Hart 100%

He is the best ever.

I have to go w/ Hart.

God, here we fucking go.

DiBiase, because the internet made me hate Bret Hart.

Bret Hart. <3

If only I had never logged on to an internet message board. I could've gone on loving Bret Hart my entire life.

And here begins the rise of the brainwashed Hart marks.

i voted for hart. i must not have a brain of my own. for shame.

"yawn" Bret Hart. Singlehandedly set the WWF back 3 years.

Benedict Arnold.

"I said I'll job to anybody on my way out except for the most popular guy in the entire company! You're not being fair!"

Bret Hart.

There needs to be a social group for people who can say this. :nono:

So what? If this is an argument you use to hate on Hart, do you also use the same argument to hate on Steve Austin, Triple H, Shawn Michaels or any other wrestler that has ever refused to do a job?

Hart's refusal to job in Montreal and the resultant "Screwjob" have been so overplayed that it's becoming pathetic. Almost anytime Bret Hart gets mentioned on here two groups of equally idiotic posters seem to form: Those who are Hart marks to a ridiculous degree and those who are Hart haters to a ridiculous degree. Whether you liked or disliked his wrestling, good for you, I don't care whether you did or didn't.

But if you're going to single out one wrestler, whether it be Bret Hart, Hulk Hogan, or HBK, for shit they did backstage, then you are seriously fucking stupid. Wrestlers throw their weight around backstage all the fucking time. It's the goddamn nature of the business. Does that make it ok? Who knows, that's not the point. The point is, you're just as "brainwashed" or "ignorant" as those stupid Hart marks that you talk about.

Here we go.

I'm going to start hating Steve Austin because he refused to job to Brock Lesnar and then I'll criticize anyone who likes him as stupid brainwashed marks who don't know any better. Because Steve Austin refusing to job to Lesnar totally overshadows the rest of his wrestling career.

Gotta go with Bret Hart

As much of a fan of Dibiase's I am I still gotta with Bret

His classic match with Stone Cold at Wrestlemania was my ultimate decision maker

I don't remember anybody else taking every known opportunity available to bitch about it for the next 10-12 years.

It's people like you that blindly defend his every action and thought that have made me hate the guy in the first place really.

Bret Hart was a great in-ring performer but a mediocre promo man at best and a baby backstage. There's no way I could justify voting for him over Dibiase.

Blindly defending his action? Where did I ever blindly defend his action? I never said that Bret was right to refuse to do the job in Montreal. In fact, I think he should have done the job in Montreal. Let me say that again, just so you might understand it: he should have done the job in Montreal. Again, if you're going to fault one wrestler for being a bitch backstage, then fault all of them. Fault Hart for refusing to job to HBK, fault HBK for having a hissyfit when it came time to job to Steve Austin, fault Orton for bitching about Kennedy backstage after something that happened in ring.

But I still like Bret Hart's body of work as a whole throughout his career. OMG!! Does that make me a blind Hart mark? Nope. It's the extreme Bret Hart marks and people like you that make many forms of discussion concerning anything related to Bret Hart, Montreal, or even HBK fucking impossible on here.

this is the exact reason that i avoid most bret hart discussion on here. both sides of the argument tend to be fucking idiots. how it's still such a hot button is beyond me.

For not being a stupid Hart mark you sure jumped to his defense with 3 paragraphs of rubbish at the very mention of me claiming that I didn't like him.

I'm not even terribly against him THAT much. The guy just spent a decade bitching about something that he did to himself. You don't see how people could get pretty disgusted by that?

I just want DiBiase in the HOF.

Oh snap, you got me. I must be a stupid Hart mark. :roll:

If I got disgusted by wrestlers bitching about things in the past, then besides not liking Bret Hart, I'd also not like Dynamite Kid, Ric Flair, Bruno Sammartino, Randy Savage, etc.

He dedicated an entire decade of his life to dwelling on one event. An entire fucking decade and he's still going.

There's no arguing with you all about his anyway unless I have a couple days to waste.

Yeah, pretty sick of the whole Montreal incident coming up everytime Brets name is mentioned.


DiBiase was good, but Bret was the much better wrestler and that won't change whether I like the guy or not.

This is why I could never vote for Bret. Let's go 56 pages about Montreal! LET'S GO!

I don't want to argue, but think about this. Every time he is interviewed, what is the topic that is brought up? He doesn't get the chance to live it down because it's brought up every interview he's in. They just did a screw job at the last pay per view in Montreal, just to bring it up again.

Hey guys just a thought: Montreal has absolutely nothing to do with Bret Hart's wrestling ability.

:y::y:

I happen to think Bret's been a big baby about the whole thing, and he's just as responsible for the screwjob as anyone.

That being said, Bret/Piper, Bret/Owen, Bret/Bulldog, Bret/HBK, and Bret/Austin are some of the greatest matches in wrestling history and better than anything Dibiase has put out there.

Bret Hart by a long shot......

Bret Hart. And what the fuck is the matter with you, Narcissus?

He was willing to job to Stone Cold Steve Austin :D

Think for yourself. You elude to brainwashed Hart marks and yet here you are allowing yuorself to have your opinions altered by said Hart marks. That's worse.

Oh, Steve Austin.

Bret Hart all the way. Funny how all you HBK marks on the forum whine about hating Bret yet your "hero" is the one who cries and loses his smile.

Are you a moron?

Do you split the world to Hart marks and HBK marks?

Can't you just fucking understand that some people might be tired of the same old bullshit for years? I'm sick of hearing about Hart and sick of watching him because of all the fucking bitching on the internet. I used to enjoy his matches but for fuck's sake.

Aren't you sick of also watching Vince and the wwe rehashing it at every opportunity they get? Let it go already Vin man.

Oh yeah, and isn't it funny how the first person to bring up the screwjob and montreal in this thread was the guy who is sick and tired about hearing of it. Yeah, it is.

Vin man? What kind of a stupid insult is that?

How am I defending Vince? I think the whole screwjob in Taker vs Punk match was one of the stupidest things I've seen in wrestling lately.

I am really, really fed up with the original Montreal Screwjob shit. It's not me who should let it go.

Read the fucking thread before you post stupid shit. As you can clearly see it was rednoeja that brought it up, not me.

What? It wasn't even meant to be an insult. It's what HBK always used to refer to Vince as. I was basically saying Vinnie mac is all over that shit, cant let it out of his system.

I was referring to narc. Holy fuck man...you have a persecution complex.

Uhhhh that'd actually be Narc that brought it up.

Uh, damn, I better shut the fuck up, it's almost 3am and I'm not doing a good job thinking obviously.

3AM? You in Central/Eastern Europe or something?

Central Europe. Poland to be exact.

Sixx, STFU :)

Even if Trillionaire Ted doesnt win it doesn't matter he already bought his way into the hall of fame

Great Wrestler, Great Gimmick, Great Promos, even made Virgil look good

Let me write that again HE MADE VIRGIL LOOK GOOD

You are hurting my inner child, dingo-fucker! :foc:

Bret gets my vote. I don't care what he did outside the ring, or what he continues to do.... but I can honestly say that he provided me with some of my favourite wrestling memories and matches inside the ring.

Very tough vote, you have on one side a wrestler that never won the big title in the WWF but at the same time probably is one of the best heels of all time. On the other side you have a wrestler that made wrestling into a feud between the USA and Canada and was a good wrestler with almost anyone as his opponent.

As much as I would like to vote for the Million Dollar Man, he never managed to be involved in a feud that got 2 countries to "hate" each other in a wrestling sense.

Oh god. You know if Bret wins this Shawn Michaels wil rear his ugly head in the finals. Wait for a fucking explosion.

Not against him THAT much? You've claimed in this thread that you hate him. How much worse can it get from there?

I'm not sure what your deal is, Narc, but you're sure coming off as a pretentious douche bag here. I know you're better than that. Stop being a faggot.

That said, Bret Hart gets my vote here because I'm a blind mark for him.

Look at who started the bitching. Narcissus did. Out of nowhere. He's being a faggot for no reason at all. Of course Hart fans are going to defend him. Narc was talking about 'this is going to turn into this', but he was the first person to say a mother fucking word about it. You didn't help either.

Well, I hate what he did to his own Legacy most of all. I used to love Bret Hart as a kid. His ego, his bitterness, and his inability to let anything go really just ruined him for me. I suppose I was being a shithead with the whole brainwashing deal. You can like who you like. I personally just can't cheer a guy that had everything in the world working for him and just ruined it all because he couldn't keep one day from rewinding a thousand times in his head.

This isn't up for argument, btw. Just how I feel about Montreal and Bret Hart.

I'm pretty sure what 'ruined it all' was mostly a misplaced kicked to the head followed by a stroke. Why hasn't Bret talked about anything besides Montreal? Maybe because that was the last thing of note in his otherwise illustrious career. What the fuck else is there to talk about? His U.S. title run? Wrestling left a bitter taste in his mouth, and nobody wants to talk to him about anything but wrestling. I know 9-11 happened 8 years ago, but are you sick of people bitching about that too?

Good job acknowledging what I said. He's never been given the chance to live it down, because it's brought up so much. If I was screwed over like that and it was brought up in every interview I'm in, I'd be bitter too.

He himself made Montreal the first thing people think about when they think of Bret Hart. Nobody else.

I can watch old tapes of Hart and freak out for him but it all ruins it if I read about him now or watch one of his 10,000 interviews bitching about Montreal. Just personally why I didn't vote for him.

I highly doubt Bret Hart goes around bitching to people in his everyday life about Montreal. The only comments we ever hear from him are wrestling-related (for pretty obvious reason). Moreover, he has apparently recently said he's open to working with WWE. If there's any truth to that, he's over it anyway.

It only took him 12 years.

No other match in HISTORY had ever ended that way. Since then, the only match to end that way again was in PARODY of that one. It was actually a pretty monumental moment in wrestling history. I'm not saying that Bret was right or wrong for not wanting to job in Montreal, but the way that Vince handled the situation sort of broke down a wall in the way everybody viewed wrestling. We all KNEW it was pre-determined and we KNEW there were politics, but it had NEVER spilled over into an actual show. Pretty big deal, if you ask me.

I've said all I'm gonna say on this. 12 pages is unneccesary. Thrilla, I say we all calm down for a second and love each other. You should be in a wonderful mood. The Bengals beat the Browns in OT.

I'm calm. I just think you were being a huge faggot for no reason and it needed to be addressed. That doesn't make me love you any less.

Also, the Bengals were SUPPOSED to beat the Browns by about 900 points.

As for the actual thread premise, Bret was pretty much my hero as a child. So was the Ultimate Warrior. Looking back at matches now, the Warrior was pretty terrible. Bret's quality is still there after all this time.

DiBiase had some great moments and was a fantastic heel. He made a stable with an extremely washed up Nikolai Volkoff work. Bret was just featured in so many more high-profile matches, though.

I can understand the appeal of Bret Hart and I can understand why his fans back him up so passionately. I'm very stubborn about my wrestling as well. There's not a man alive that could convince me that Randy Savage is not the greatest professional wrestler that ever lived. Different perspectives.

Savage is definitely up there. Gotta get him in the Hall of Fame here too.

lol

bret hart

Wait, wrong Crybaby Bret. FUCK.

Bret Hart for me.

Bret has had some of the most memorable matches in history. Someone else already noted Piper, Davey Boy, Austin, Owen, Iron Man match.... that cannot be touched. They remain classic matches because they were brilliant then, and would be as well regarded if they had occured last week. They opitomise wrestling, in my opinion.

Other thing to remember is that Bulldog and Austin never had a better match with anybody. Bret made both guys with those matches. Plus, everyone knows Bret called the shots for the Bulldog match pretty much entirely, which means he wrote that dance all by himself. Piper, that was the last good match of his career and the first in a few years when it happened. this cannot all be coincidently with the same wrestler.

There is no doubting the strength of MDM's gimmick. It was one of the best ideas for a wrestling heel gimmick, along with Mr Perfect... ever. And Dibiase was brilliant in the role. Plus, you can never say anything bad about about his in-ring skill. He was consistant, and technically sound. But how many matches can anybody really remember, and if you can, how many of them do you rate as some of the best of all time?

I think you can see where I will be putting my vote.

Everyone knows Bret was Jaded to the business, particulally in his main event days, in no part helped by his crazy family... And everyone SHOULD know he was wrong to refuse the job. But Anybody Thrilla hit it on the nose, where we only hear about Bret mentioning the Montreal deal because he keeps getting asked about it, and his response is always more sensationalised than anything else he mentioned. He, by all accounts was screwed in public. But had he agreed to do as he was booked, then none of this would have occured...

All this aside, other than that one night, does it really effect his impression on camera? And OK, his WCW was lacklustre in comparison to his WWF days, but was Dibiase's any better?

I don't see where Ted holds any ground in this contest.

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we voted Hitman.

Voters: 69.

:naughty:

Why did it have to be Bret this round. :( I really wanted The Million Dollar Man to be inducted to the HOF.

Bret is one of the few that I'll have to take over Dibiase. Despite the strong polar opposite positions which some take regarding Bret, there is no questioning his in ring performance, technical ability, and his memorable matches.

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wow, another job Bret refused to do.

DiBiase was great, but no where near Bret's league.

DiBiase - would make many/most/my own top 25 wrestlers list.

Bret - would make many/most/my own top 10 wrestlers list.

Bret.

Bret, you fucking asshole, you ruined this for DiBiase.

I gave Ted my price. He couldn't afford.

so Bret gets my vote

Bret Screwed Ted

Yes. Bret stood beside me with a gun in his hand and made me vote for him. :roll:

Well it's good to know the stroke didn't affect his trigger finger.

this is what happens when you talk shit about The Hitman on the Shawn Michaels DVD