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Lock Jaw 12-10-2009 11:07 PM

Double Turns
 
I dunno. It seems like people suggest it a lot.

When was the last actual double turn though?

Wrestlemania 13?

What are some other ones that may have happened?

Loose Cannon 12-10-2009 11:29 PM

Survivor Series 88: Demolition/Powers of Pain

When Honky Tonk hit Jake with the guitar on the Snake Pit, it was a double turn

When The Horsemen kicked Sting out of the group at Clash 10, that moment kind of turned the J-Tex Corporation to defacto faces when the faced the Horsemen later in the night. The Horsemen and Sting were babyfaces before they booted Sting

KayfabeMan 12-11-2009 12:16 AM

SHAWN MICHAELS - BARBER SHOP.

:shifty:

KayfabeMan 12-11-2009 12:16 AM

When Hogan came to save Macho and Sting, only to join Hall and Nash.

KayfabeMan 12-11-2009 12:17 AM

How about when Arquette cost DDP the Title in the triple cage?

Lock Jaw 12-11-2009 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by KayfabeMan (Post 2852339)
When Hogan came to save Macho and Sting, only to join Hall and Nash.

Wasn't that just a plain heel turn?

D Mac 12-11-2009 01:49 AM

Brett Hart/Austin where Austin passed out and Brett wouldn't release the Sharpshooter? Was that WM13?

Loose Cannon 12-11-2009 02:07 AM

lol good god

The Mackem 12-11-2009 04:01 AM

The Powers of Pain/Demolition one came across as very awkward.

KayfabeMan 12-12-2009 04:06 PM

The time that Tony Schiavone talked bad about WWE on the final Nitro.

XCaliber 12-12-2009 04:09 PM

I know Triple H has done it a few times over the past several years.

Lock Jaw 12-12-2009 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by XCaliber (Post 2854479)
I know Triple H has done it a few times over the past several years.

Don't remember it.

Swiss Ultimate 12-13-2009 11:00 AM

I'd like to see Batista feign a double-turn by saving Rey then, telling him that nobody but him is going to get the satisfaction of ending his career. :D

Fox 12-13-2009 02:16 PM

Some of you have no idea what the term "double turn" really means.

Fox 12-13-2009 02:21 PM

Hogan joining the nWo was not a double turn. He was a face and he turned heel. That's called a heel turn. Same thing with Arquette turning on DDP. Heel turn. Batista blindsiding Rey wouldn't be a double turn either.

Hart/Austin is a double turn because going into the match, Hart was the face and Austin was the heel, but by the end of it, Austin was the face and Hart was the heel. They essentially swapped their positions as good and bad.

The last time I remember this happening was with Stone Cold and Kurt Angle after Survivor Series 2001. Austin was the heel with the Alliance and Angle was the guy who made sure that the WWE defeated the Alliance at Survivor Series. He should have been treated as a savior by the fans for defeating the Alliance, but instead was booed mercilessly while Austin, hellbent on revenge against Angle, was cheered.

Savio 12-13-2009 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 2852191)
What are some other ones that may have happened?

I think After the first tag team ladder match Edge Christian and Gangrel were faces and the Hardies were Heels.

Gangrel came out bragging that he had sex with Terry while they were licking there wounds then both the Hardies and E+C jumped Gangrel while being cheered

Swiss Ultimate 12-13-2009 06:28 PM

Fox, Batista just turned heel, idiot.

KayfabeMan 12-13-2009 11:55 PM

Sarcasm does not play well online apparently. Either that or I've been gone from TPWW too long and everyone who liked sarcasm died and / or vanished.

Supreme Olajuwon 12-14-2009 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DeathtotheSwiss (Post 2855487)
Fox, Batista just turned heel, idiot.

That's not what a double turn means, smarty pants. A double turn is when a face and a heel are interacting and during their interactions the heel becomes the face and the face becomes the heel.

It doesn't refer to one guy going from heel to face to heel.

LOL at "idiot" though. I love when people try to show their superiority while they're completely wrong. It's so cute.

Supreme Olajuwon 12-14-2009 12:41 AM

Two examples I can think of, but they're situations where two faces are feuding and the crowd is leaning towards one guy making the other a quasi-heel:

Tatanka and Lex Luger: Tatanka got the crowd to start turning on Luger because there was evidence Luger was joining the Million Dollar Corporation, but then it turned out Tatanka was the one joining.

Rock and Austin: Going into WM X7, the crowd was definitely pro-Austin, especially since the event was in Texas. You could hear plenty of boos towards Rocky. Then Austin turned and the crowd got behind the Rock again

Supreme Olajuwon 12-14-2009 01:28 AM

oh duh, Kane and Triple H did one at WM 15

Supreme Olajuwon 12-14-2009 01:31 AM

and Foley and Rock at Survivor Series

Nicky Fives 12-23-2009 06:26 PM

Supreme on a ROLL!

Tazz Dan 12-23-2009 08:54 PM

Mayweather/Big Show on Raw

Rammsteinmad 12-26-2009 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Fox (Post 2855301)
The last time I remember this happening was with Stone Cold and Kurt Angle after Survivor Series 2001. Austin was the heel with the Alliance and Angle was the guy who made sure that the WWE defeated the Alliance at Survivor Series. He should have been treated as a savior by the fans for defeating the Alliance, but instead was booed mercilessly while Austin, hellbent on revenge against Angle, was cheered.

First one that came to mind besides the obvious Hart/Austin one.

Kane86 01-02-2010 03:25 AM

Chris Hero vs Eddie Kingston I don't need to say any more.

Swiss Ultimate 01-02-2010 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon (Post 2856520)
That's not what a double turn means, smarty pants. A double turn is when a face and a heel are interacting and during their interactions the heel becomes the face and the face becomes the heel.

It doesn't refer to one guy going from heel to face to heel.

LOL at "idiot" though. I love when people try to show their superiority while they're completely wrong. It's so cute.

Since we're talking about a made-up word, you're incorrect. Double means 2, turn means turn. If Batista were to turn face then turn heel it would be a double-turn. Idiot.

Haze 01-02-2010 01:24 PM

Hogan vs Rock at Wrestlemania was like a one night double turn was it not?

wwe2222 01-03-2010 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Haze FX (Post 2882119)
Hogan vs Rock at Wrestlemania was like a one night double turn was it not?

that was a one night thing. Plus the fans really brought that on by themselves.

Fox 01-17-2010 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DeathtotheSwiss (Post 2881964)
Since we're talking about a made-up word, you're incorrect. Double means 2, turn means turn. If Batista were to turn face then turn heel it would be a double-turn. Idiot.

"Double turn:
the rare occurrence when both the heel and the face switch roles during an angle or a match. An example of this is the Bret Hart/Steve Austin match at WrestleMania 13 and the Powers of Pain/Demolition at Survivor Series 1988."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...restling_terms


Yes, it's Wikipeia, but the point is that this "made-up word" is a known term in the wrestling industry, i.e. the industry that we discuss in this, the wrestling q&a forum.

Stop calling people idiots when you are simply wrong.

Savio 01-17-2010 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kane86 (Post 2881860)
Chris Hero vs Eddie Kingston I don't need to say any more.

who?

blake639raw 01-18-2010 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DeathtotheSwiss (Post 2881964)
Since we're talking about a made-up word, you're incorrect. Double means 2, turn means turn. If Batista were to turn face then turn heel it would be a double-turn. Idiot.

lol, you are completely wrong. You really shouldn't call people idiot's when you're 100% wrong. As explained, a double turn is when two people are feuding (a face and a heel), and they switch sides during the feud. Your logic sucks.

blake639raw 01-18-2010 12:39 AM

And the reason it isn't done anymore is because they don't really listen to the fans. They decide who they want as the faces and the heels, and just shove em down everyone's throats, regardless of fan response. At one time, I believe it would have been possible to do a double turn scenario between Orton & Cena, but now, I"m not really sure.

The One 01-18-2010 05:11 AM

The most recent double turn (in main stream wrestling, I don't fallow indies) that comes to mind is the Austin/Angle event. Though, the aftermath of the entire invasion clusterfuck was so convoluted that it seems like everyone was turning left and right for no determinable reason. Still, Austin and Angle did perform a proper double turn.

As for Deathtotheswiss; you're an idiot. Yes it's a made up term for a made up business...but so is the word "push". Or did you think that all this times we've been talking about people physically pushing someone from behind? Or that a strange number of fans who buy into wrestling are named Mark?

Loose Cannon 01-18-2010 12:06 PM

lol epic fail by Deathtotheswiss

Johnny Vegas 01-22-2010 11:01 AM

lol definitely. Get your facts straight, DeathtotheSwisscheese

Big Vic 09-06-2012 03:10 PM

Any recent ones?

Shisen Kopf 09-07-2012 07:39 AM

Sid crapping his pants.

Savio 09-07-2012 08:51 AM

lol at dtts

Swiss Ultimate 09-07-2012 09:58 AM

I was a jerk. :(

Swiss Ultimate 09-07-2012 10:00 AM

I'm still right though.

Swiss Ultimate 09-07-2012 10:23 AM

That was around the time my dad died, that might explain the hate.

DLVH84 09-07-2012 11:24 AM

The Great American Bash '91: Lex Luger and Barry Windham

Zeeboe 09-09-2012 04:31 PM

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Back in 1993, when Jerry Lawler from the USWA wrestling company in Memphis was playing a heel on WWF TV.....WWF babyfaces Bret Hart, Owen Hart, and Vince McMahon were playing heels on USWA TV, and Lawler was the babyface, and they were feuding with each other in both companies.

Anyhow, this thread reminded me of this clip. It takes place in Boston, and was only shown on Memphis TV. It was never seen on WWF TV. The clip starts off with Lawler doing his heel act, and Vince McMahon was playing the babyface announcer, but at 3:09, Lawler starts acting like his USWA babyface character, and Vince begans acting like his "Mr. McMahon" heel character at 3:50. :lol: This is also years before the "Mr. McMahon" character was born. Listen very carefully at the tones of their voices, and watch their body and facial movements, and you'll spot it.


.....And then things go back to normal at the end. :lol: At around 5:28 to be exact it turns back to Lawler being a heel again, and Vince being a babyface. I wonder what the Boston crowd made of this. I guess Vince and Lawler were not only trying to appeal to the Memphis crowd, but were also trying to entertain the live Boston crowd as well.

Joesgonnakillyou 09-09-2012 06:01 PM

That's genius!

Zeeboe 09-09-2012 07:14 PM

It just goes to show how epic and under-rated Lawler's mic skills are. He can literally go from heel to face to heel in a matter of seconds.

Curd 09-09-2012 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DeathtotheSwiss (Post 2855172)
I'd like to see Batista feign a double-turn by saving Rey then, telling him that nobody but him is going to get the satisfaction of ending his career. :D

DTTS, would Rey be a heel until being attacked by a returning, crowd-pleasing Batista? Such that the attack would make Batista heel and Rey face? So this would be after Rey heels it up against Sin Cara?

Curd 09-09-2012 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeeboe (Post 3970546)
<iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/gXeWAhihvU4?rel=0" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" width="420"></iframe>

Back in 1993, when Jerry Lawler from the USWA wrestling company in Memphis was playing a heel on WWF TV.....WWF babyfaces Bret Hart, Owen Hart, and Vince McMahon were playing heels on USWA TV, and Lawler was the babyface, and they were feuding with each other in both companies.

Anyhow, this thread reminded me of this clip. It takes place in Boston, and was only shown on Memphis TV. It was never seen on WWF TV. The clip starts off with Lawler doing his heel act, and Vince McMahon was playing the babyface announcer, but at 3:09, Lawler starts acting like his USWA babyface character, and Vince begans acting like his "Mr. McMahon" heel character at 3:50. :lol: This is also years before the "Mr. McMahon" character was born. Listen very carefully at the tones of their voices, and watch their body and facial movements, and you'll spot it.


.....And then things go back to normal at the end. :lol: At around 5:28 to be exact it turns back to Lawler being a heel again, and Vince being a babyface. I wonder what the Boston crowd made of this. I guess Vince and Lawler were not only trying to appeal to the Memphis crowd, but were also trying to entertain the live Boston crowd as well.

A pre-IWC mind screw!!!

Lock Jaw 09-10-2012 01:14 AM

[Insert some sort of joke relating to an Airplane Spin and a Double, even Septuple, Turn.]

Big Vic 09-12-2012 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turd (Post 3970859)
DTTS, would Rey be a heel until being attacked by a returning, crowd-pleasing Batista? Such that the attack would make Batista heel and Rey face? So this would be after Rey heels it up against Sin Cara?

No DTTS is just plain wrong

Xero 09-12-2012 09:35 AM

DTTS, you should go back to that gimmick for a day.

Hell, we should have Old School week at TPWW. Everyone goes back to old personas, avatars, etc. Maybe bring back a few socks for old time's sake.

Xero: Professional Dick could be a huge hit to the new generation.

#BROKEN Hasney 09-12-2012 09:54 AM

Fuck you I ain't going back to no goddamn old name

Shisen Kopf 09-12-2012 11:12 AM

Raw the other night, Lawler is clearly a heel now after having that heart attack and Cole is a face. Heart attacks are serious business.

Swiss Ultimate 09-12-2012 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xero (Post 3974709)
DTTS, you should go back to that gimmick for a day.

Hell, we should have Old School week at TPWW. Everyone goes back to old personas, avatars, etc. Maybe bring back a few socks for old time's sake.

Xero: Professional Dick could be a huge hit to the new generation.

I tried to turn heel again at the beginning of this year. It blew up in my face.

311 12-12-2012 03:27 PM

Wasn't the Rock winning the tournament over Mick Foley and joining the corporation a double turn? That was when Mankind was wearing a tie and trying to be "corporate." Shane screwed Austin as the referee that night and Foley got the win earlier. I can't remember if Foley was technically heel or face at the time.

Big Vic 12-12-2012 04:25 PM

Yeah Supreme mentioned that though

Bad News Gertner 12-15-2012 08:56 AM

Hogan and Flair did a double turn in WCW at Uncensored I believe

DLVH84 12-15-2012 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Gertner (Post 4059974)
Hogan and Flair did a double turn in WCW at Uncensored I believe

Only Flair turned heel. Hogan turned face in July, challenging Randy Savage for the World title on the Nitro after Bash At The Beach.

Bad News Gertner 12-15-2012 11:32 AM

Nope you're wrong. I watched it yesterday.

Shisen Kopf 12-15-2012 11:34 AM

Remember at the Egg Dome in 88 what Kubiki Bob and Sakamoto Dave both didn't a double turn. Was bad ass!

Shisen Kopf 12-15-2012 11:35 AM

But now they are both dead RIPS

Bad News Gertner 12-15-2012 11:38 AM

Remember that time DLVH told everybody that Jessie Ventura died?

Shisen Kopf 12-15-2012 12:06 PM

That was rude.

Kane Knight 12-15-2012 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Shisen Kopf (Post 4060082)
That was rude.

Rick Rude died?

Shisen Kopf 12-15-2012 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kane Knight (Post 4060448)
Rick Rude died?

Yes but his death was Ravishing, simply.

Savio 03-04-2014 06:13 PM

Chaz/Kolmos

Shisen Kopf 03-04-2014 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shisen Kopf (Post 4060456)
Yes but his death was Ravishing, simply.

Good post 8/10


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