If someone thinks Sheamus is being booked well as a champion...
 

Please explain to me how? He's won exactly two matches (a fluke and a dq) against main eventers. Every win he's had is against jobbers or midcarders. I do not see him as a threat to anyone above the midcard, yet he's holding the fucking title.

I can't take him seirously either.

He's doing better than I expected him to, I'll give him that.

I don't hold this against Sheamus himself. I think he's a great talent and could be main event material if he was built up well. But what he has going right now is just pathetic.

I don't mind him at all tbh. After 2 years of Cena as champion, another year of Cena, Orton and HHH trading the belt, this is a breathe of fresh air.

As we saw with Randy Orton, heels just aren't booked as dominant anymore. Which is a shame, but that's just the way it is now.

I never even see sheamus on raw really

Reminds me of Rey Mysterio's World title reign.

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Rey Mysterio jobbed numerous times as champion. Sheamus hasn't, he just hasn't been booked to win any clean matches. Very different.

And Rey was on the show alot more than Sheamus has been.

Good point there Senior Juan :kiss:

He hasn't had the best booking but it's probably not priority #1 right now with the Bret/Vince, Cena/Batista and Taker/HBK/HHH storylines. WWE seems to focus on the really important stuff and doesn't care too much about the rest of the show (which IMO is a major reason for the decline is quality their product has seen in the last few years).

I'd rather see Sheamus as champ if only for the fact he isn't named Randy, John or Hunter.

it's good to see them not considering their main title as "really important stuff"

He has the title. He's the #1 priority.

Give the Fucking title to Orton!

Clearly not, but I think that will change once the Sheamus/HHH program for Mania starts

Kayfabe-wise, he's #1 priority. There's no way around that, no matter how badly the title has been booked.

if the guy with the title isn't the #1 priority, then what does the title "really" mean?

Yup, it's bad but it wouldnt be the first time they have done this (Battle of the Billionaires hurt the Cena/HBK feud IMO and Vince/HBK hurt Cena/HHH the year before... although that feud wasn't really even a feud. It was just a name calling)

In my personal opinion, a 2 year long John Cena title reign is about as bad as it gets.

He should be I'm just saying that to the WWE Bret/Vince is the #1 priority

The title has changed hands about 20 times over the past 3 years, so not much unfortunately.

There is no fucking way I want to see Triple-H main event and by main event I mean to be last on the card at Wrestlemania.

Then don't watch WrestleMania 26

Yeah isnt that nuts. Especially since in 2003-2007 we had lots of 6 month+ reigns.

WWE needs to learn balance

I don't think he will be??? Edge should be the last match since he won the Rumble. Now this doesn't guarantee the last spot on the card since 2006 (the 06, 07 and 08 Rumble winners did not main event) but I'm pretty sure Edge/Jericho or whatever they've got planned for him will main event over Sheamus/HHH.

Thou art not so kind Senior :'(

I'm just saying, there's a good chance HHH and Sheamus will main event at Mania, so if you don't want to see Hunter in the main event, then don't watch it.

Also, I think the word you're looking for is Señor. Senior means old

Not gonna happen.

I bet you 20,000 tipsters points it wont.

(not really)

lol

Well, I did say there's a CHANCE. Didn't say it WILL happen. It's been rumored, so there at least a possibility. Plus, Sheamus is advertised as Champion at post-Elimination Chamber house shows, so that's a clue that he wont be losing the title at EC.

Can't see him winning the chamber though, that just wouldn't feel right.

I have a gut feeling that Edge will main event the show and HHH will be somewhere in the mid card or be a part of one of the 3 main events.

I hope he does. Wouldn't make much sense to give him dusty wins at two PPV's only to lose the belt 2 months later.

Would make even less sense having him face HHH at WM only to be buried. I say have him lose the title in EC as it would be understandeble, then have him be in MITB....

Cena will most likely be wrestling Batista at WM, so he's not winning. Ted DiBiase is not winning it. Orton is most likely going to wrestle DiBiase at WM, so I don't see him winning it. Highly doubtful that Kofi will win. Which leaves only HHH and Sheamus

Does anything about his run make much sense?

Or maybe WWE will actually follow through with Sheamus' push. Just a thought. I'd say that even if Sheamus looses to HHH at Mania, being in a match of that caliber would do him much better than losing the title in a multi-man Elimination Chamber.

It's kinda stupid but I was really happy when Sheamus won the WWE Championship cause he used to be an IT pro like yours truly.

Well seeing as how everyone was tired of Orton, Cena and HHH trading the belt between each other, I'd say that at least putting the belt on someone other than them makes sense.

He's getting more heel heat than I expected.

If you really wanted someone to be "built up" before becoming champion, you'd have to sit through another year of Cena/Orton/HHH main events. No thanks.

Kofi? DiBiase? Christian? It's not like WWE is devoid of legitimate, fresh possibilities.

That's a whole other discussion.

No its not. Stop trying to back out when you're wrong.:D

Exactly. Those I listed at least have build to them, and Christian especially can be seen as a legitimate contender.

But they have more build than Sheamus ever did, and with DiBiase he has wins over DX. Just takes maybe a month or two and he could be a main eventer.

As for Kofi, he had the GOOD main event push with Orton and then they dropped it. He was being made and they fucked him up.

This is relevant because Sheamus was pretty fucking low on the list for legitimate contendership and his build hasn't really helped him much.

Mark Henry is another one who, with a month or two of build, could be a contender.

Its sad when were saying Mark Henry could be a contender.

My point wasn't that Sheamus was the best choice, my point was that since he IS the choice, it's better than the alternative (another year of HHH/Orton/Cena)

I disagree. At least Hunter, Orton or Cena have the title being a large focus of the show.

Well i guess it's a matter of personal taste. I personally don't want to see Orton, HHH or Cena with the title any time soon.

The thing is, Hunter and Cena especially are still the LARGEST part of the show, EVEN WITHOUT THE TITLE. So it makes no difference whether they hold the title or not, they're still shoved down your throat. At least with the title on them it has a real focus.

You kind of twisted what I said too. I never said Sheamus was the BEST choice to be champion. I would take DiBiase, Kofi or Christian over HHH/Orton/Cena too.

Yeah a real focus on boring matches we've seen a million times already. Again, no thanks.

Did I ever say you thought he was the best choice? The fact that you even CONSIDER him a choice is what baffles me.

Yeah but do they work out with THE GAME?

You're still getting them above Sheamus. What's the difference?

I forgot about this.

It probably was something like this...

HHH: First person to get me a protein shake can have reign as WWE Champion for a couple months
Sheamus: :D

What do you mean "consider him a choice" ? He already is the choice, and I don't mind it one bit. We've seen HHH/Orton/Cena in a million matches with every stipulation under the sun and I was sick of it. I know I'm not the only one who was sick of it, since there were threads almost every week on how boring the Raw main event scene was, and now they throw someone new in the mix (granted, not the best choice, but its something new and fresh) and you're still not happy.

As long as they're not wrestling for the title, I could care less what else they do.

Sheamus is the lesser of four evils

Sheamus knows how to play the game!

Exactly.

The IWC is notorious for never being satisfied and this is just another case of that.

So you enjoy the champion having MAYBE 15 minutes of air time every week, having no legit wins and being fifth fiddle?

The IWC is justified in this case, its a matter of opinion.

And besides, IWC isn't just one person so everyone will have their own opinions. Otherwise they would just be called sheep.

People bitched for months and months about how stale the main event scene was on Raw. So now, just because Sheamus is not the guy you would have picked to be champion (I wouldn't have picked him either), you'd rather it go back to the way it was?

If the championship means something, which it did? Absolutely.

I'll take the championship's prestige over shitty rematches any day.

Again, we're still getting all these guys above Sheamus ANYWAY, so there is NO difference whatsoever, other than the title not being around their waist. And at least then, again, the title had SOME meaning.

I wouldn't say I enjoy it, but I certainly don't mind it.

But with HHH/Orton/Cena ALL you get is shitty rematches :wtf:

Remember the big pop Mark Henry got when he turned face against Randy Orton?

Really wish they had done something with that.

And the title being displayed at the top of the card.

That's a really cynical way to look at it.

So just because HHH/Orton/Cena are still stars, they should continue to trade the belt between each other and deliver the same exact main events every month?

It's not that they're stars, it's that they're FAR and ABOVE the champion, and are booked as such.

THAT is the problem I have.

No, they could atleast attempt to put the midcarders over (like jericho does)rather than just rotate it between them.

As sheamus has connections with HHH, its not quite the same, and the fact he came from nowhere.

Only time putting the belt on a rookie really works, is when he is a monster like lesnar, which shaemus clearly is not.

Horrible decision to just give him the belt like that.

I'm pretty sure that if they would have given the belt to DiBiase, Kofi, Christian or Mark Henry, they'd be in the exact same position as Sheamus. And i would still rather have either of them as champion over HHH/Orton/Cena

Yeah, I agree that just throwing the belt on him wasn't the best idea, but it happened and there's nothing I can do but sit back and enjoy.

It's just as much about "who you know" as it is about "how good you are"

I bet Sheamus is hated by alot of the roster, just comes in being a friend of HHH's and gets the title, while they're still working their asses off/'paying their dues'.:roll:

Pretty much.

I hope they have witch hunts in search for WWE Champion Chief Fire crotch

I doubt it. Like Xero said, he only gets about 15 mins of air time and has yet to main event a PPV.

What bothers me isn't the fact that WWE did something "new" and had a surprise, random champion -- that is actually awesome -- but it's who they chose and more so why they chose him

Innit, but meh, there's fuck all we can do about it.

(Except annoy Juan)

we the WWE Universe are helpless
but I'm with Juan in terms of rather having Sheamus than the Huntortena(:shifty:) as champion. I was watching some old title wins like Angle and Eddie and then theres Sheamus lol

Not to sound like a bitch, but seriously imagine the grief TNA would get for putting the fucking world title on someone nowhere near established enough, and making little effort to make him appear credible.

'lol WWE'

WWE is in more of a position to do something like this though, tbf.

They're the large focus of the show, but not against eachother. Triple H is part of DX, Orton has been fueding with Kofi and now is in a legacy storyline, and Cena was chasing Sheamus' title and now is in another angle.

I find it's far more interesting when those 3 are split up to fued with other talent, and do something new that doesn't have to do with the title.
It allows for someone else holding the title, which is fresh. In this case it's Sheamus.

I agree that the way Sheamus is being booked is awful if you look at it from a kayfabe point of view. He hasn't beaten anybody. But I think they're throwing kayfabe to the wind and trying to find a way to have their cake and eat it too (push Sheamus and not have to actually job any of their main eventers)
I guess they figure they can get away with it. Among their major fanbase, I'm sure they're succeeding.
As for me, I can see where you're coming from. I complained when they did the exact same thing with Jericho, but at this stage in the game I just don't care. I'm buying it because I am looking at it for what it is and not kayfabe.

Jeritron gets it

Stop that.

Calling wrestling fans, "the wwe universe" is the stupidest thing that's ever been done in wrestling. I want to kill something every time I hear.

You need help then.;)

But yeah i hate the wwe universe thing too.

Last spring/summer, the whole Orton/Batista/HHH thing was so boring that I took a hiatus from wrestling that I'm really just coming back from.
It was honestly some of the most 'no thanks' booking I've seen in all the years I've watched wrestling.
Then in the late summer and fall it was the same shit, only with Cena/Orton and that didn't draw me back in either.

I don't mind any of those guys (except Batista maybe), when they're doing other things that are interesting and semi-fresh. It's just that when you put them together, and have main event programs that involve them and only them, it's a recipe for disaster.

I am pretty confident they have a great push for Sheamus planned at EC with a genuine victory to make him look a fitting champ. The only other option is to have him enter last with only 1-2 tired guys left and he takes care of them in a jiffy, with the WM storyline being he has to defend his title in a No DQ match or something against a "proven" ex-champ.

But ya right now the WWE Title is not being respected a lot kayfabe-wise!

The RAW champion has basically been Triple H, John Cena and Randy Orton for the last four-five years with a little bit of Edge and Jericho being the silver lining.

Yeah, if Sheamus is truly going to be in a Wrestlemania title match he needs a strong and convincing win at EC.

I see what they're trying to do with Sheamus, but I just get the feeling that there really isn't any kind of goal for him beyond keeping the title off Cena/Orton/HHH. Just putting the strap on him from where he was and not letting him do anything with it doesn't make him anything more than a paper champion. Even if he only got a three month reign at least have him pin someone during those three months.

he was cool when he first came in like every other guy, but he was pushed way too fast. it's hard for me to just accept him as a wwe champ right now.

It's still massively retarded whatever position you're in. It's a shame the WWE world titles have lost so much prestige since about 2003.