NFL 2010 Off Season Thread
 

Chiefs better get some fucking players. :mad:

2010 NFL Draft

ROUND ONE
1. St. Louis (1-15)
2. Detroit (2-14)
3. Tampa Bay (3-13)
4. Washington (4-12)
5. Kansas City (4-12)
6. Seattle (5-11)
7. Cleveland (5-11)
8. Oakland (5-11)
9. Buffalo (6-10)
10.(T) Jacksonville (7-9)
10.(T) Denver (from Chicago 7-9)
12. Miami (7-9)
13. San Francisco (8-8)
14. Seattle (from Denver 8-8)
15. New York Giants (8-8)
16.(T) Tennessee (8-8)
16.(T) San Francisco (from Carolina 8-8)
18. Pittsburgh (9-7)
19.(T) Atlanta (9-7)
19.(T) Houston (9-7)
21. Cincinnati (10-6)
22. New England (10-6)
23. Green Bay (11-5)
24. Philadelphia (11-5)
25. Baltimore (9-7)
26. Arizona (10-6)
27. Dallas (11-5)
28. San Diego (13-3)
29. New York Jets (9-7)
30. Minnesota (12-4)
31. Indianapolis (14-2)
32. New Orleans (13-3)

Can't do a general analysis for my Broncos until McDevil runs Marshall and/or Orton out of town.

But I'm liking our #11 spot in the draft.

<font color=goldenrod>Tbh I really don't follow the college scene enough to know anybody...that being said, Giants definitely have to go D with the first pick, preferably LB.</font>

Well, the bills have a decent pick, a new but shitty regime and are changin to the 3-4....so will hopefully be and eventful offseason.

It's crazy to look at the teams from 1-16 and see how many are stable at QB and then look at 17-32.

Which sucks for most of those early picking teams because there's not much to get excited about with the QB selection this year.

Clausen, Tebow, Snead, Bradford, McCoy (dunno if he declared) just to name a few off the top of my head. If anybody is looking for a QB the draft is the way to go. 2010 QB free agent class sucks this year.

Doubt any of those guys except maybe Claussen will do a thing in the NFL.

If the Rams don't get Vick, I want Clausen/Bradford

Rams should build their lines first.

I don't think Clausen or Bradford warrant the #1 pick in this draft. Rams should take Suh. He's the best player in the draft and with him on the line it makes their investments of Long and Carriker better. Plus its Spags, we all know he loves his defense.

I could see them taking a McCoy/LeFevor in the later rounds. To work behind a stop gap QB for the time like a Vick or Campbell.

LB at that pick would be tough for the G Men since I think no linebacker warrents a pick at that spot. Unless McClain were to drop, but hes a top 10 talent. I could see the G Men going with either Earl Thomas Safety from Texas to help the secondary out, or Brian Price DT from UCLA with that #15 pick. Then look to grab Brandon Spikes in round 2 for the MLB spot.

Rams will draft the DT that everyone creams over. After that it's a crap shoot.

I'm guessing my Lions will draft Eric Berry. Would be ok with that.

According to OchoCinco, TO is going to come to Cincy to play with him

IF ST Louis is smart, they draft Suh, and then take Lefevour in the 2nd round. We get Central Michigan games here all the time (and to add to that my sister goes there so we went to like all the home games) (and you will hear this first: he is the best QB of this draft) and the man is a stud

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the Lions should take Russel Okung so Matt Stafford doesn't get beaten to death

As tempting a duo or Berry and Delmas would be in the secondary for the Lions, I think they lock up Gerald McCoy to beef up that D Line. Playmaker, creates pressure and helps in the run defense.

As for LeFevor, I really liked what I saw from him at the Senior Bowl that whole week and I've become very high on him. I think with a good combine and pro day he could move into the 3rd round.

I was feeling the same way for a long time but it seems as though they are content with the guard they have now, so McCoy seems like the pick at 2 in my eyes.

The final 8 teams all get hosed by the lack of a CBA:

:cool:

I have to say I really think all 3 QB's are staying in Philadelphia next year. McNabb will be back no doubt about it. Rumors that Cleveland has some interest in Kevin Kolb, which makes sense since Former Eagles GM Tom Ecckerd(spelled that wrong) is now there. I think actually he has the highest chance of being delt.

Michael Vick is staying. He will not get traded. I'm telling you Andy Reid will want to keep Michael Vick.

Tebow and McCoy won't go anywhere in the NFL

Have I mentioned that I can't stand them?

Well I'm sensing a lot of anger in that post Jeri.

I'm not very high on either, but I think McCoy has a better shot at succeeding.

McCoy will go the way of a Chris Simms. That's not a bad gig, but I wouldn't consider it "going somewhere"

I could see that for McCoy.

Tebow, I'm just not liking his chances at all. I mean they were blowing him all Senior Week and sure he progessed as the week went on in practice, but overall it was nothing that special at all. And he was even worse in the game itself.

Just really ticked me off how all cameras were on him, when guys like Lefevour, Robinson, and Jarrett Brown were out performing him.

Tebow goes the way of Ryan Leaf

No, but none of these guys will go high obviously

Tebow will go way higher than he should. I think hes like round 5...and he might go to the Jags in like round 3.

Can't wait to see Suh be a beast in the NFL

Dunlap will be beast. Bradford and Claussen I think will both bust.

And almost every single linebacker that's drafted in the 1st round turns into a solid starter , like barely any busts. Stupid Bobby Carpenter:rant:

yea, I can see Clausen being the next Joey Harrington unfortunately. I mean I love the kid, but he's no NFL QB. Golden Tate would be a great pickup at WR I think though

I wouldn't compare Clausen to Harrington, Harrington played in Jeff Tedfords system while Clausen ran pretty much a NFL offense while in college. I really think that projects well for Clausen, since he's not going to have to run something totally different when he gets to the pros.

Bradford is interesting, people make a big deal out of the fact that he was in the gun and throwing it a lot and say that's a negative. I can understand but at the same time Tom Brady & the Patriots ran almost 80% of their plays out of the shot gun this season. It's not like Bradford was out there rushing for a ton of yards doing zone reads like Colt McCoy. I think if he ends up on a team that isn't completely garbage ala Sanchez & the Jets he could be end up having a productive career.

Would really "dig" the Jets drafting Golden Tate. Doubt he will that far though.

Browns cut Donte Stallworth

I would be surprised if Jacksonville went any other way from drafting Tebow. It is the choice everyone has thought they would go with for a while. Even if he doesn't go in the first round (which is a huge reach) I think they make sure they get him in round 2 or 3.

Depending on his combine, which could then lead to him possibly being a Raider since Al Davis loves his work out warriors, I can see Derrick Morgan as a Jaguar. I think he's the best DE coming out and would actually be the answer for them for the lack pressure off the edge, an area which they have failed in years past. I'm talking to you Derrick Harvey!

Where do you guys see Peppers ending up?

Atlanta
Pats
Packers
Skins
Giants

I know its going to come down to the highest bidder, which could very well be the Skins, but does he land with one of those teams? Does another team come forward?

Giants won't sign him.

I threw there name into the mix since I just read a rumor with them possibly jumping in if they decide to cut Osi loose.

I really hope its Atlanta. And I'm trying not to be a homer here, but I think they really can land him.

Playing in a dome, opposite Abraham, having Babs and Jerry in the middle, makes what was the weak point of the defense, now a strong point. Also gets to face the panthers 2 times a year.

Blank has got the money for sure. I understand the philosophy that Dimitroff and crew have taken in wanting to build through the draft and not tying themselves down financially with big FA contracts, but based on what the team has now if you add Peppers to the bunch + this years draft clas you bring in, you make the team elite.

Eagles might actually be interested in Peppers.

Broncos apparently talking with the Eagles about McNabb

peppers to st louis along with the first pick of sue in the draft

So glad Clayton thinks that McNabb is going to end up a Viking. One more year without another Super Bowl in Minnesota, either way.

McNabb isn't going anywhere. I'm 90% sure.

I hope that's true

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i laughed for about five minutes because of that.....



anyway since sammyg doesnt know that the rams have the first pick and the best guy in the draft is the defensive end from nebraska, suh, they will probably be picking him and if they do, it would make sense for the rams to pick up peppers to mentor/play on the other side of the line from him.

Uh. I do know we have the 1 pick, and I know we're getting NKMADOHUH DFHSUGHRE SUH. I just don't think we're gonna make a push to get Peppers.

Peppers is gonna be looking for too much money, don't see him going to the Patriots.

Dude got $16 million this past year, and was slated to make $20 million next season.

Good luck finding a team that is willing to pay that. Oakland? It will be his 9th year next season, and to be honest his best days are probably behind him. Coincidence that he is looking for a long term deal? Nah, he is just looking for a retirement deal. If I were an NFL GM, no way in hell would I pay this guy for a long term deal.

Dallas will sign him.

Not if Snyder gets there first.

That's going to be one interesting pissing contest between Jones and Snyder.

like tebow?

Dawkins got that much pull in the locker room already? I'm surprised.

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The Web site vikesfans4favre.com raised $2,600 to keep the billboard in Hattiesburg, Miss., up for a month.

Wow what a bunch of tools.

I mean, it's was probably alot of Favre's doing that the Vikes even got that far to begin with, but it was also his fault that Ryan Longwell didn't have a chance to end the NFC championship in regulation. Fucking awful throw across his body to the middle of the field when he could have just lowered his head one more time and got some yardage. Fuck, why would these people want a 41 year old with a history of making bad decisions in huge spots?

You're being a hater, bro.

Los Angeles Broncos

The most likely buyer for the Broncos would be Stan Kroenke, owner of the Avalanche and the Nuggets. He gets them, they aren't going anywhere. The NFL won't allow majority owners in the NFL with teams in other leagues outside of their market. Kroenke's market is Denver due to the Nuggs/Avs, which is why he can only be a minority owner of the Rams, he can only be a majority owner in Denver and wouldn't be able to move them if he wanted to. Doubt the NFL would let him regardless, even if it were to LA

I think the only way L.A gets a team is if one moves in. How would it work with a 33 team league:wtf:

<font color=goldenrod>Giants release Antonio Pierce

Everybody saw it coming...but damn, it's a shame how sharp his decline was. I'd love to see him back in a coaching role someday.</font>

Does LT have anything left in the tank? Wouldn't mind seeing him in a Pats uniform if he does...

EXCELLENT

Calling it now, Pierce is going to end up in St. Louis

He would probably follow spags off a cliff for the league minimum

I gotta say, Rams should definitely go line. I think teams have to build lines first. There will be QBs later. Build the lines, get a FA QB, then draft the QB last when you have other pieces in place.

No. I never want to see Marc Bulger take another fucking snap. Bradford, come to us.

good luck with an injured rookie :y:

I felt the same way. I compare the Rams situation to what the Falcons were a few years ago. I wanted to grab Dorsey instead of Ryan, and pick Brohm up later in the draft. But the QB is a huge need for the a struggling franchise. Gives them an identity and direction.

Then again Suh is a better prospect coming out then Dorsey was, and I doubt the Rams will be able to trade down since its very rare you see someone willing to come to the one spot based on the money thats tossed around now for rookies. I feel Suh should be the pick since I think he is a one of a kind prospect coming out and should be drafted 1 overall, but QB is the real need and if they go Bradford I wouldn't have a problem.

They will NEVER be the LA Steelers.

Name one team that spent high picks on lineman over a QB and had it work out for them? The NFL is a QB driven league and unless you have one of the best you arent going to win shit. You dont build the lines and then get a QB, you get a QB and then the rest can fall into place.

Colts, Steelers, Cardinals, Patriots, Chargers, Texans, Saints, Packers.

They may have drafted a high guy here and there, but they found a QB to run the team with average lines.

I have been hearing that shit in Buffalo for years making excuses for Bledsoe, Holcomb, Losman, Edwards and Fitzpatrick

"No qb can play good if they dont have time" "Teams are built in the trenches"

Bullshit. Maybe 10 years ago. Maybe 30. This is the New Pass Happy NFL. Get onboard or fuck off.

Little angry there Hanso?

Why did you use those teams to make your point? Only the Colts and the Chargers used a high draft pick on their QB. The rest are mid 1st round, free agent, 6th round, free agent, free agent, late 1st round.

To answer your question though, the Cardinals drafted OT Levi Brown #5 overall in 2007 and got Kurt Warner cheap through free agency. The Jets took D'Brickashaw Ferguson #4 overall and went to the playoffs with Pennington. The Saints took Jamaal Brown high and got Brees through free agency.

Right but they didnt spend back to back 1st rounders on O and D lineman (let alone what, 4 straight years if the rams draft line this year).

My point being that building the lines does no good if you dont find your QB.

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If it's someone like Suh I think you go for the lineman.

Yes I am :) I have listened too thousands of local idiots use the build the line idea for 10 years. A good line does not make an average QB good. A good QB makes an average line good.

Look at Rodgers. he has perhaps the worst line in the NFC and they made the playoffs.

The giants have perhaps the best o line in the NF and they sat home this year.

Your a Buffalo fan right Hanso?

If both QB's go before 9, which I think they will but who knows really, what are you thoughts on the pick? I was going to say Anthony Davis OT from Rutgers, but I'm curious what a Buffalo fan is looking for.

We need a QB, but if Claussen is not there I pass. We are changing to the 3-4 so I would love McClain to play ILB with Pozlusny. There really isnt any NTs worth the 9th pick. If Dez bryant is there he is intriguing as he is a top 5 talent and we need another WR, but with no QB its a moot pick. I also would love that DE Morgan from GT.

I would love davis, I think he is this year's Clady and will be a pro bowl player.

I am looking at the 2nd and third round for a QB. Actually my number one is Zac Robinson from Oklahoman State. I think he can transition to a under the center QB, has perhaps the strongest arm of the big time QBs,and he has started alot of games and is not a one year wonder which is something our new GM is looking for. I think he will be around in the 3rd.

I think bradford is soft, too inflated by a great team and the spread.

Claussen is the best Pro Prospect and will go too high. he could be like Alex Smith, best QB in a weak class drafted way too high.

Tebow will fail as an NFL QB

McCoy is a wildcard. he could be turn out to be a good QB but I think more than likely he never amount to much.

It really is a shitty year to need a QB!

So in short, I think at 9 they will draft the best LT on the board.

If I had my way I would try for a 1-2-3 of

Round 1: Davis or Bryant
Round 2: Terrence Cody (Will fall when he hits the combine at 400 pounds)
Round 3: Zac Robinson

Ha, it will be equally enjoyable to see Bradford picking himself up off the turf all the time I'm sure.

To me, that is a big "What if?" scenario with Bradford given his injury. The #1 pick? I'm not even sure I would take him in the first round with the injury concerns to be honest. If you draft Suh, you're looking at a 99% guarantee in terms of production. He seems like the kind of guy that can anchor the front seven of a defense and become a game changer.

Also, in reference to Hanso's topic:

I think that you absolutely have to have a line, and when I said line previously I meant both offensively and defensively. The game starts in the trenches and although it isn't the end all be all it is very important. Why do you think that LT is a coveted position, and when a big time guy comes out of college at the LT spot, teams draft them high?

I don't care if you're Peyton Manning or Drew Brees, you're not passing the ball off your ass every play. Look at what the Giants did to the Patriots offensive line in Superbowl 42. Arguably one of the most prolific offenses to take the field was stifled because the Patriots offensive line was unable to protect Brady well. Brady, who will arguably go down as one of the best QBs ever was unable to help produce the offense that they had all year long.

I guess I can't disagree necessarily about the approach, whether you get a QB first or build your OL and DL, but having good lines is paramount.

You need a good OL, Center and the Bindside blocker most important.

DL really all depends on what D you're playing... a 3-4 where you have fast LB then you can get away with avg DL if they're big, because they're just trying to fill-gaps and take on 2 OL with their size.

Oh and yes OL is a reason a lot of those QB's failed in Buffalo, but more importantly, most of those QB weren't that good, the Teams weren't that good and the coaches have sucked. So it's many factors why Buffalo hasn't done shit for 10yrs.

Even though the Big arm is overrated for a QB.

In Buffalo however you do need the Big arm.

During the Senior Bowl I was very impressed with Zac Robinson based on that one drive he had. Tebow had everyone talking about him, but he had been struggling so much and forced another 3 and out for the South. The defense then held them, and got the bowl back. In the 2 minute drill Robinson led the team down field for 80 yards and ending it with throwing a TD. Really caught my eye. And further proved that Tebow just doesn;t stack up to the others.

But as I mentioned in an earlier post, concerning the Rams, but could work for anyone who needs a QB, Dan Lefevour from Central Michigan really had my attention all week and convinced me even more during the Senior Bowl game itself.

Man a lot of Tebow hate going on.

I'm not betting against the kid. I really want him to make it.

I dont hate on Tebow. he just isnt an NFL QB. Nobody was hating on Colt brennan....

Lefevour is like a poor mans Tebow with better reading skills. If that makes sense.


I think he has a chance to make it...

Honeslty, I would rather have Robinson or Lefevour over McCoy or tebow. Even Bradford.