Fallout 76 - 💩💩💩
 

Apparently, Vault 76 is a control vault built by Vault-Tec and opened in 2076 in West Virginia in honor of America's tercentenary (300 year anniversary) celebration. I don't know if that means this will be the exact time and place setting, but if we're not going to WV, it's #PrettyWeird that they'd have John Denver's "Country Roads (Take Me Home)" playing.

P. S. - Hate to say I told ya so but on the TES side it's not like they have a hit MMORPG, like, I dunno, an Elder Scrolls Online game...:roll::lol:

As of right now this is not a day one buy for me.

reports are saying this will be a Fallout MMO

well "credible rumors"

I doubt that very much about the MMO thing. Fallout is Bethesda's single-player bread and butter. I don't think they're going to try to have it compete with TESO.

Also, someone more observant than me saw an antiquated looking 21st or 22nd century computer with a time dial on it. It appears it will start set on October 27th, 2102.

It wont compete with TESO any more than TES already does.

Fallout: Vault 76 feels better on the eyes

Jason Schreier, one of Kotaku's best reporters, warned that people expecting the usual Fallout experience are going to be... surprised. He's legit so for you fans, expect something different.

Well, it does have somewhat of a FO 1/2/Tactics kind of feel to it at first glance, which would actually be pretty cool IMO.

I'm actually trying the original Fallout for the first time. Forgot I had it free.

Such a great game. 2 and tactics are worth your time too

It's funny typing in water and the NPCs saying "never heard about that"

"Greetings, traveler! Your business in Shady Sands would be...?"

Also, worth going to No Mutants Allowed for the final "unofficial" patches.

The last time I bought Fallout (yes,multiple times, don't judge me!) was the last retail collection Interplay released of 1,2,and Tactics after they sent the IP off to Bethesda for the then upcoming 3, yet still in that timeframe where Interplay was supposedly working on the Fallout MMO to coincide before that weird sort-of C and D where they were told they could continue maiking said Fallout game, but it can't contain anything that would signify it as a Fallout game. The fuck does that work?"

Anyway, included on said disk were also unofficial patches. They weren't the finals (thus the plug for NMA), but was interesting to see the company back the community and slap them as an optional install (games themselves were final vanilla build). Quality of life stuff like highlighted drops and fixing sone dialogue loops and errors. Not mandatory, but worth downloading.

Kinda hope this is a Fallout MMO. And you get the option to not just play as a human. Intelligent Deathclaw here I come.

Still doesn't mean Elder Scrolls 6 is not in play either. Companies usually pawn off MMOs to second-party producers.

Nonetheless, DLCs are still being cranked out for TESO. Sumerset is releasing this Tuesday.

All but confirmed to be multipler. Similar to 7 days to die.

I heard that game sucked dick. Shit.

Dude, we barely know anything about this. However, at absolute most I want single-player with optional co-op.

Very unlikely youre going to get that

That's essentially what Elder Scrolls Online was for my playthroughs.

Yeah, exactly. If it was like that, I wouldn't mind.

It was released too soon, one of those "stay in alpha forever, but release it anyways to get the cash before we're exposed" deals.

I kinda hoped it would be more like what they did with Fallout 3 and New Vegas, where instead of released a new game they just do a new story and a few tweaks. Fallout 4 was disappointing in missions, story and map rather than mechanics so could have really benefited from such treatment.

Interested to see what will come of this, but probably wait until I've seen reviews before parting with any cash.

Well count me out on this one. All humans in the game are other players. No bandits, no brotherhood, no towns full of people, potentially no mutants. Nothing. Just the other players, the wildlife, and robots. Interest completely killed at this point; it is 100p a survival game.

Fuck this, my PS4 port is wonky and wifi is weak. My PS3 works just fine, so it's not my ethernet cable. PS4 connects/disconnects randomly. Sad to skip this, but I hate playing online for more than 10-230 minutes. I play to be anti-social, not e afraid to pause to take a piss or watch a random Youtube video.

So, signs are pointing to this heading in the direction that X-Com was going in: trade in on the name and forsake what it was. Instead of making the thing that will keep the loyal fanbase happy, let's just make something that isn't remotely close and slap the franchise paint on it for possible nominal success but alienation and more apprehension in the future.

This *might* end up being good, but for the first time in the history of ever, I'm not that stoked about an upcoming Fallout title. And as much as I am meh about the Brotherhood of Steel titles, they still got me jazzed. Hell, I recommend Wasteland 2 to any and every person who were into 1 and 2, because that game proves the first two titles can work on a console.

I asked in another thread, but how much separation does Fallout need from its roots before it is no longer Fallout? There is more to the game than Radscorpions and Vault Boy. Storytelling, references, V.A.T.S., Karma, and actually having to make choices (such as exactly which perks you'll be taking, because you couldn't just powerlevel and take everything - you only had so many until the cap, so choose wisely).

Fans want another game like New Vegas, as NV is essentially the gold standard of the franchise history taken into the then-current gen... and instead of doing that and releasing this alongside it (similar to 4 and Shelter), they're trying to go elsewhere and make it something it isn't. Fallout doesn't need to be an action FPS. Or a Battle Royale game. People who want those other things are playing those other things, and people who want Fallout don't want it to be those things. I mean, could you imagine if Capcom decided they wanted to stop making Street Fighter a fighting game and gradually tried to shift it into something in the style of Heavy Rain? Nothing but cutscenes and QTEs? Intresting for a one-off, maybe, or a side project, but not the direction the fanbase would be enthused about.

Im excited for something different. Would have been kind of non-plussed about another single player.

I know that me and the nwo are gonna tear up the wasteland.

I need wasteland 3

I've read some articles about Fallout 76 all around the web. I guess the press got an early peek. They say that it doesn't feel like a Fallout game, but they also say it's fun. I guess I'll give it a shot.

Yeah, well in the intervening months between the announcement and everything else we've had since, it's safe to assume it will be worse than the drudge that was Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel and it deserves to flop even worse sales wise too.

Why?

No NPCs, no real story, nothing that makes it a title worthy of the Fallout name. Direct antithesis of the original 2 games and New Vegas. Prove me wrong.

Not having NPC's is a potential misstep, but its not the end of the world. We've already seen from the early access people have gotten that there are story elements to the game. A big overarching plot is nice and all but its not necessary. By all accounts most people enjoy the smaller side quests anyway.

I'm not going to condemn Bethesda for trying something new and different. They don't "deserve to fail" just because its not your cup of tea.

oh no bethesda might not get your parents' money.

Well there's the lore betrayal that Bethesda seems to be wanting to shove down our throats.

Yeah, I've seen enough of those videos. Again, the meat of it is complaining about the game being something they don't want, rather than anything that is objectively bad.

I don't get the vitriol people have for this game. If it's not your thing then cool, that's understandable, but there are a lot of people acting as if this is the new direction the series is sticking to from here on out. Like, you will get another single player eventually,my dude. Chill. In the mean time here's cool spin-off that does something new and different with the series.

Not saying they don't deserve criticism. If they fucked with their own lore, than they deserve to get called out on it.

If the no npc experiment fails, (which will entirely depend on the execution of the concept) then yeah, they should get called out on it.

But saying it needs to fail makes you look like a selfish prick who throws a tantrum just because a game isn't the experience you wanted.

you're talking to a dude who would rather shit in a bucket and play video games instead of getting working water in his house

And took a vacation from nothing.

Reposted for truth:

Gonna be playing this today, as a friend sent me a beta code.

Seems Bethesda is fully self-aware that Fallout 76 is going to launch with a lot of bugs.

Instead of waiting till after launch to make an official statement, they decided to make a preemptive one admitting its in their DNA to make bug-riddled games and that they will be very busy after launch trying to iron those bugs out and get as much help as possible for it.

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I'm convinced this is going to be one of those games that appeals to a certain group of people at launch, and as Bethesda navigates through problems and feedback, they will make more and more improvements until it becomes more universally praised. Kind of like ESO, FF14, Warframe, etc.

I'm still skeptical about not having any NPCs. I thnk Bethesda can make it work, I just don't know that they will at launch. As I said, it seems like the kind of thing that they're not going to nail on their first try, and will require feedback and experimentation to get to where it needs to be. Par for the course with this type of game though.

Sounds like not a lot of enemy variety, penalizing fast travel (via making players pay to fast travel with caps), textures that sometimes don't load at all and being distracted by events while attempting quests are some early complaints from the beta.

I found 10 different enemies, and 5 different passive creatures in the small starting area alone. Public Events are not mandatory. You can completely ignore them. So I don't know what those complaints are about. I didn't experience any missing textures in my plyathrough, but those types of things are expected in a bethesda game, and I expect they'll look into patching it.

Heisenberg and I had fun with the Beta.

This game is definitely for a specific type of fan. The type that enjoys just wandering the wasteland discovering things more than comleteing quests. Personally I've always enjoyed the stories Bethesda puts in where you enter a location and discover the aftermath of an event, and as you delve deeper, you unravel what happened. I've always thought those stories felt more organic, and had more mystique than some talking head telling you to go somewhere and do something.

And thats pretty much what the story in this game. In the short time I had to play I discovered around 25 holotapes and a dozen letters.

Some have reported that the events were ones that they only ended up going to while trying to have a quest as the active marker on the map, IDK.

Also, Perk Cards seem like a disaster waiting to happen. Bethesda needs to resist any possible temptation to monetize them as I fear it would turn people off to the game. Maybe not to Battlefront II levels, but enough that their reputation might take a serious hit if there were major fan backlash over such a decision.

Agreed on that, but for what it's worth I believe they already stated there would be no microtransactons

I will keep going at Fallout 4 as havent completed it. Then will wait for reviews and price drops to see of I go for this one.

Red Dead has killed my interest in this. Going from the most detailed, and life like open world ever created, to this typical bethesda world, makes me immediately bored. It wouldn't matter if there were NPC's. There's just a feeling of been there done that. The increased vegetation would help make it feel different, but I modded Fallout 4 to have that a long time ago.

If Heisenberg and the rest of the Megapowers get it I'll probably buy it anyway, as playing Joust is a riot with those guys, but it will be a game I only play socially.

Dunno. I guess RDR2 just raised the bar for me, way too damn much.

There will be but they claim they will only be for buying cosmetic items, which if true, OK fine, whatever. But they will have to avoid at all costs the temptation to apply them to Perk Card packs.

Who are you siding with or have you decided yet? Also, you might want to avoid Preston Garvey at all costs if you don't already know. He has a tendency to be very pushy with quests.

Yeahhhh.... but they also said the same thing about Fallout Shelter; that it was just a fun app to play with no microtransactions.

That totally became a false statement with a later update.

So how is it fellers? Still getting some Redemption of the Red and Dead variety.

So bad that if you're wondering why not very many non-gamer reviews have popped up, they're all basically waiting to see if Bethesda will make enough improvements to justify better reviews/review scores.

Don't know for sure because I refuse to play it probably ever, but it has been pretty much universally panned by gamers as evidenced by a ton of reviews on MetaCritic.

do your parents read the game review before they buy you a game

This game is objectively bad and i think less of fignuts' opinion for him saying there was a niche for this

lol I never said the niche would be large. Bad as the game is there will absolutely be a group of people playing this, and trying to convince everyone it’s great. Every game that is at least somewhat competent has a following. If it didn’t No Man Sky would never have made it as far as it has.

My first impressions were good. I really did have fun. But the game appeals to me in ways that it may not for a lot of people. That said, while I had fun, I can see that the things I do like about it won’t be enough to hold my interest for very long unless Bethesda makes some serious changes.

I’m not defending the game, destor. If you read my previous posts, I was skeptical from very beginning about not having Mocs, and I said they deserve to get called out if it sucks. My initial problem was with all fuck tards judging the mere concept of the game, and saying it shouldn’t exist despite the fact that there are obviously lots of people who would love to roam the wasteland with friends.

As long as we can agree that this is broken and barely functions in it current state i will resume valuing your critique

Of course. I said before I didn’t think it would be good at launch and it isn’t. The novelty of it and having a new map to explore made it fun for a couple hours but I got bored with it after that.

Now the question is whether they can salvage it.

Bought it as an early Christmas gift for my partner and they're having a great time and it's been, like, 8 hours of gameplay. No major glitches or hassle. Every player they've ran across has been friendly, though I'm sure that'll change eventually. This is on a standard Xbox One, if that matters.

A few things seem questionable, to me. The AI of the Radstags that mostly seem cool with being shot a few times, the game claiming a wandering tabby cat was an enemy and you can seemingly get the reward for community events if you're just in the area.

On the whole, it seems the game is functional and enjoyable and all this hoopla about it being an unplayable broken mess may have been overstated because this is the internet.

It has not been overstated at all. Disconnects are frequent. Enemy AI stops script fequently. Sever wide crashed can be initiated by the players (and can happen on their own as well.) Major quest lines are completely unplayable. Sever overload can cause your controls to shut off.

This is a mess. Your 8 hours have been lucky (and that is also not a of time at all)

Yeah people got disconnected one time in particular when 3 nukes were simultaneously launched at the same site. SMH

I heard about the nuke situation. That is bad.

I played a couple hours myself. Worst thing I got was a wild mongrel who moved around without a walking animation so it looked like it was skating.

If you needed proof that this is an outlandish failure we're one week post release and the game is on sale. Unprecedented.

Fallout 4 is still fun. Just got my son Far Harbor and Nuka World.

It is also black friday though

Thats not how black friday works

Automatron DLC is awesome too. Too bad the vanilla game couldn't live up to the DLCs.

It is and it isn't. They have some pretty new games going fairly low on black Friday, and not flops either. But none so new as Fallout 76, and I don't recall many if any THAT new that have gotten discounts. Usually they need to have been out 4-6 weeks, it seems, before they are considered for a black Friday deal.

But in this specific case, Destor is right. This has nothing to do with the sales going on. 76 was already dropped to $40 bucks on multiple major retailers sites before any of their black Friday week sales ever started. It's being sold lower because it's shit and I think they may be weighing their options on whether or not they are going to expand upon it with dlc and whatnot, or if they are just going to patch out some of the bugs and just let it meander pretty much as is. This is one turd they may want to write off ASAP; It's literally being panned harder than No Man's Sky was at launch....that's brutal.

Theyre trying to get as many Christmas sales as possible because they know that other than Grandma gifting this game its not going to move.

It'll sell new for $20 after the new year.

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Amazing what the threat of a class-action lawsuit hovering over a game company like the sword of Damocles will do as Bethesda have finally broken their silence via the game's website, saying that they plan to release not just smaller future patches but also there will be 2 in as many weeks, one on Dec. 4th and one Dec. 11th, but whether further weekly patches to make it semi-playable and interesting at this point is unknown.

https://fallout.bethesda.net/article...vember-27-2018

The lawsuit is about their digital refund policy

Not that lawyers always take cases as publicity stunts, but I had heard that they were contemplating adding details to the complaint about it being an unfinished, buggy mess to give it more legal ground to possibly stand on. I'm well aware of the guy who, let's face it, was absolutely PROMISED a refund by Bethesda once they figured a way to process it in one e-mail, only to basically have the follow-up say, "Oops, sorry, ya know that refund we totally promised you'd get eventually? (teeth sucking sfx)...Yeaaaaah...we actually can't do that, 'K, byeeee." He was screwed and he should get his refund.

I don't care what your "policy" states, if you're not going to enforce it for one person for a heavily unpopular game, they'd better be ready to give refunds to everyone else who wants one also or they'll have a real shit storm on their hands, and they'll tank so hard they won't survive to see the 9th generation.

https://youtu.be/HyA8RpnzgHc

This is a lawyer i follow on YouTube. Smart guy. Knows copyright laws real well happens to be a fallout fan seeking a refund through bethesda. Brings on a lawyer freind of his. 80 min vid but it details the case very well.

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I honestly don't know what's worse, Bethesda's half-assed apology or their lame "Here, these 500 Atoms we give you to use in our terrible game totally fixes everything, right? 😁" "solution". No, no it does not. People spent way too much on that edition of your game to be promised a canvas bag as part of the deal only for you to give them a fucking hefty bag instead. But I guess it's apropos since your game is garbage.

The bag is flagrant false advertisement

Know what 500 Atoms nets you? A door and some flowers.

Oh well do they know it's Christmas.

It doesnt even buy the postman skin that ironically HAS a canvas bag :lol:

Wow, Bethesda. You broke this longtime fan of your games' heart. What happened to the days of quality games like FO3, Morrowind (annoying file corruption bug aside) and FO: NV?

Hopefully they will get this patched into a semi-playable state for what niche audience there is before focusing on future projects.

Cant wait till bethesda reads that

I wouldn't exactly list those as "quality" games DAMN. I mean sure, they are excellent games and I enjoyed all of them....quality? Not so much. They were all buggy messes, ESPECIALLY New Vegas. Bethesda may be good at crafting rich worlds....but they release the buggiest games ever to market and I am amazed they have been given a pass for it for this long.

Anyways, they seriously gave people trash bags instead of the canvas one that was advertised? That's amazing lol

Ah they switched to nylon I see. Yep, blatant false advertising. Should have them over a barrel on that one.

Having flashbacks of trying to play Skyrim on PS3 and those bastards refusing to give me a refund so I could get it on my Xbox 360 instead.

man the ps3 version was so fucking borked. couldnt play the DLC due to the memory leak until YEARS later

I never did get to play it. I was so pissed by the time I got through the game despite the memory leak at peak levels of awfulness (I was a completionist, my save file was huge, the leak was brutal) that I have never been able to bring myself to play Skyrim again.

TBF, I've probably just given them all the motivation they need to make next-gen game TES VI their biggest and buggiest mess yet. :(

And besides, who the hell reads anymore?

I've read that the Bethesda plans on using the same engine they are using for Fallout 76, for the new Elder Scrolls ( which I imagine will be on the PS5 )... rofl wtf.

Im not on the "its the engine thats the problem" train.

I think the lack of new ideas and a rush to market are their causes of stagnation.

Agreed, but the engine being old enough to drink isn’t helping.

The same engine that produced morrowind produced skyrim. Its not like they aren't constantlty improving it. I just cant conceed the engine needs done away with. Its needs cleaning up perhaps, maybe a year spent gutting some clutter in the code over the long lifespan im sure its accumulated, but i dont think at its core the GET NEW ENGINE NOW is just flat out ignorant.

So about those bags...theyt did ake canvas bags. Instead of putting them with the $200 collectors edition they gave them away for free to influencers (critics, journalists, youtubers, streamers etc)

Oh....oh that's even better!

Kind of feel responsible since they didn’t hire me to do Quest Design and this is karma hitting them

LMFAO that's beautiful.

Bethesda submits to backlash (and their impeding court battle) and will send replacement canvas bags

Thanks, Trump. :rant: :mad: :fu:

https://help.bethesda.net/app/incide...14&subcat=1182