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Savio 05-24-2009 01:57 AM

If you were an MMA fighter
 
what would you rather happen?

NoJabbaNoBogRoll 05-24-2009 02:02 AM

I'd rather not fall out of consciousness.

Funky Fly 05-24-2009 02:28 AM

Yeah, bad for you in general for one. And you look like a complete bitch, whereas a guy who goes the distance still jobs, but it takes a lot to put him away.

Kris P Lettus 05-24-2009 05:30 PM

This is f'n retarded.. Pretty much asking is you'd rather be a human highlight reel or a tough bastard who couldn't put an opponent away..

Paul "The Wall" Carrington, stop posting stupid shit in here..

spilzrvd_69 10-29-2009 12:58 AM

SICK THREAD!

I would rather get dominated the whole round me thinks.

McLegend 10-29-2009 01:19 AM

I don't want to get my ass kicked for 3 rounds.

Reavant 10-29-2009 02:16 AM

Quick KO

Reavant 10-29-2009 02:18 AM

Looking like a bitch for 10 seconds with the "everybody can get caught" line vs looking like a bitch for 15-25 minutes and having to say that you were obviously not as good as him and you could do nothing to beat him.... how is this a choice?

The Mask 10-29-2009 02:24 AM

you'd learn from the longer fight though and walk away with ideas on where you needed to improve. if you got sparked out then all you'd learn is you need to keep your guard higher or something.

Savio 10-29-2009 02:26 AM

I would think you would get most of learning done in sparring before the fight, though.

The Mask 10-29-2009 02:27 AM

what, no. if you were getting hammered like that in sparring you wouldn't be fighting. you'd lose the fight because someone was leagues ahead of you, so you might as well take what you can from the defeat and try and improve.

Reavant 10-29-2009 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by The Mask (Post 2792861)
you'd learn from the longer fight though and walk away with ideas on where you needed to improve. if you got sparked out then all you'd learn is you need to keep your guard higher or something.

id rather only have to have one thing to learn than 50 things to learn

The Mask 10-29-2009 02:30 AM

err. getting sparked out in 10 seconds doesn't make you a better fighter with less to improve on than a guy who gets hammered for 3 rounds though.

Reavant 10-29-2009 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by The Mask (Post 2792866)
what, no. if you were getting hammered like that in sparring you wouldn't be fighting. you'd lose the fight because someone was leagues ahead of you, so you might as well take what you can from the defeat and try and improve.

no savior is right... the guys you train with should be good and the training should prepare you for your fight. Especially if you already know the guy is leagues ahead of you. Your partners and coaches bring you up to that level by both teaching you and beating the shit out of you. Now if you go into a fight with out knowing the guy is leagues better than you, you have to think about changing management.

Reavant 10-29-2009 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by The Mask (Post 2792871)
err. getting sparked out in 10 seconds doesn't make you a better fighter with less to improve on than a guy who gets hammered for 3 rounds though.

Thats stupid. The best fighter in the world can get sparked in ten seconds.... hes not getting dominated for 15-25 min.

Think about it as a competitor, if you get KOed in 10s, you learned you can get caught and that probably wont happen again. If you get dominated, you take a huge hit to your ego. Its not always technique that gets you dominated. Thats the misconception. Sometimes that shit can haunt you mentally. Especially because theres no way you can say that you think you could have beaten the guy.

The Mask 10-29-2009 02:37 AM

well of course, that's my point. if you're sparring with really good guys and you feel like you're doing well and then you get absolutely schooled it means you have to step back and work on the holes in your game, which you might not have even known were there to begin with and thus you become a lot better fighter for the experience, as opposed to getting knocked out and saying "well, it can happen to anyone"

Reavant 10-29-2009 02:40 AM

When you get caught, you have to think about correcting bad habits like keeping your eyes open, keeping your hooks high, hands up, working your range, etc.

When you get dominated you have to work on your toughness both mentally and physically, on top of what technical mistakes you make. You also have to completely change your game up because your shit doesnt work. WAY harder to do.

SixxT9 10-29-2009 02:42 AM

Get destroyed in 10 seconds and then say "I tripped" over and over again.

Reavant 10-29-2009 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by The Mask (Post 2792880)
well of course, that's my point. if you're sparring with really good guys and you feel like you're doing well and then you get absolutely schooled it means you have to step back and work on the holes in your game, which you might not have even known were there to begin with and thus you become a lot better fighter for the experience, as opposed to getting knocked out and saying "well, it can happen to anyone"

no if you know going into a fight what your holes are and you dont do the proper work to improve them before a fight then this whole discussion in not aplicable to that fighter. If that fighter was to lazy or didnt care enough to fill the holes in the first place, getting dominated by someone exposing those weaknesses is not going to change that person and make them a better fighter.

The Mask 10-29-2009 02:44 AM

you're approaching this like it's two different fighters at two different levels though. let's say some rocky like situation occurred and you got put into a one time only fight with brock lesnar, would you rather just get fucked up quick or go the full match and have the full experience and despite getting ruined have a bunch of shit to work on after to help you become a way better fighter than you are now? bearing in mind there's no shame in getting your arse handed to you by lesnar.

Reavant 10-29-2009 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Sixx (Post 2792887)
Get destroyed in 10 seconds and then say "I tripped" over and over again.

common now.... if you get torched in 10 seconds, its because you made a blatant technical mistake and I would go so far as to say that fighter would NEVER do that again.

Reavant 10-29-2009 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by The Mask (Post 2792889)
you're approaching this like it's two different fighters at two different levels though. let's say some rocky like situation occurred and you got put into a one time only fight with brock lesnar, would you rather just get fucked up quick or go the full match and have the full experience and despite getting ruined have a bunch of shit to work on after to help you become a way better fighter than you are now? bearing in mind there's no shame in getting your arse handed to you by lesnar.

Thats not the original point of the topic I dont think. It was if you were an "MMA Fighter" and if you are a trained fighter it woulod make sense that you are relatively competant enough to be fighting who your fighting.

Yea if they pulled me off the street to fight lesnar i would like to make the entire time but if i was carwin, id rather have to come back from a qwicky than a domination.

Reavant 10-29-2009 02:57 AM

Look at all the really good fighters that get caught either by KO or submission off of one mistake and come back to never do it again and even DOMINATE others.

Liddel vs Horn, GSP huges 1 and GSP Serra 1, Lesnar Mir 1

Johnny McNasty 10-29-2009 04:54 AM

I would chose option C which is me getting slapped in a arm bar, then fighting through the pain and refusing to tap. Which causes my opponent to snap my arm in half like a twig, and sending me to the ER. But hopefully my agent plays it just right so I then get the awesome nick name of Johnny "Lion Heart" McNasty.

Savio 10-29-2009 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Reavant (Post 2792897)
Thats not the original point of the topic I dont think. It was if you were an "MMA Fighter" and if you are a trained fighter it woulod make sense that you are relatively competant enough to be fighting who your fighting.

yeah that's my thought as well.

and I would not want to get dominated by Brock for 25 minutes. You wouldnt feel right for weeks after that.

spilzrvd_69 10-29-2009 04:47 PM

Wow this thread turned into a good debate ... weird.

Impact! 10-29-2009 10:50 PM

What sort of dominated are we talking here...like Jon Fitch/GSP dominated, where you come off looking like a tough sob, or Tito/Shamrock(1), where you're made to look the fool.

Savio 10-30-2009 01:54 AM

more along the lines of Jon Madsen vs Abe Wagner

Stickman 10-30-2009 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Savior (Post 2793912)
more along the lines of Jon Madsen vs Abe Wagner

In that case, quick knock out.

Savio 10-30-2009 02:18 AM

I was thinking about a fight like that when I made the thread but without the huge gash.

Innovator 10-30-2009 02:01 PM

Getting rocked in 10 seconds, that way I can try to say that he pulled my hair

Or you can be like Tito and say you got poked in the eye

BigDaddyCool 10-30-2009 06:25 PM

BDC would win by submission in the second. Duh.

McLegend 10-30-2009 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Innovator (Post 2794385)
Getting rocked in 10 seconds, that way I can try to say that he pulled my hair

Or you can be like Tito and say you got poked in the eye

He did get poked in the eye.

Innovator 10-30-2009 09:55 PM

theres always something with him

McLegend 10-31-2009 02:59 AM

Or maybe it's because, he got poked in the fuckin eye.

Not Tito's fault your hero fights like a girl.

Reavant 10-31-2009 04:56 AM

whether tito got poked in the eye or not he always has some big excuse why he loses a specific match

DrA 10-31-2009 11:44 AM

If you get knocked out in the first ten seconds you can get away with saying that it was a fluke, but if you get dominated for an extended amount of time then the other guy has proved that he is legitimately better than you.

Stickman 10-31-2009 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DrA (Post 2795688)
If you get knocked out in the first ten seconds you can get away with saying that it was a fluke, but if you get dominated for an extended amount of time then the other guy has proved that he is legitimately better than you.

But it also shows how bad ass you are and how much heart you have to get dominated and not give up.

Reavant 10-31-2009 02:24 PM

eh not really

Reavant 10-31-2009 02:27 PM

it depends on how you "survive" and who you face, but if you are supposed to be at the same level of the guy your fighting, it is never good to be dominated


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