You should be more active in the watch-along thread though. Even if you can’t make the live shows. This idea was born for your kind.

i can never manage to be free when its "live" but i love the era...i should try for next week

Oh after that awful post about from "Noid" about Destor that is quoted at the top of the last page I would have to say it was absolutely warranted. In fact Destors response was tame af in comparison.

Would love to have you there Destor. It's a really good time. Wish we'd have been doing this for years and that I would have joined in sooner. Probably the best time I've had at TPWW in my 2 decades here.

i dont even know what he meant by it. i think he has me confused with someone else

im going to try and be free next thursday night though


TRY its hard for me to garuntee anything

Not gonna lie, Destor has been my #1 "want" for our live watches.

It got what it deserved. Slide back on that iceberg, pal.

Destor and Gertner are the reasons to come to this board. No one else says anything worth hearing.

Noid. You’re not nearly as smart as you think you are. Either work on that or tone down the smugness. The combination is gross. You are gross.

Still working on a Triple A appearance. Seph got my hopes up last week. I have yet to forgive him.

Oh, the fucking irony.

i love you both. please make up

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hey <a href="https://twitter.com/WWERomanReigns?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWERomanReigns</a> I heard your interview. Please send the address of this club you will throw me and my little brothers out of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> <a href="https://t.co/6QIO5337AI">pic.twitter.com/6QIO5337AI</a></p>&mdash; Junior Dos Santos ��️➕ (@junior_cigano) <a href="https://twitter.com/junior_cigano/status/1449516747317551104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

#fan’s fine with me.

Maybe he should go to the WWE and try and be a real star in professional wrestling?

LOL this dude JUST had his first match, yet he is already sticking up for his "AEW Brothers", the ones that his group's entire gimmick is to bash, basically saying exactly what Roman said! Fuck man, you cant make this shit up :rofl:

Still funny though! Big Roman is a star in the worst era of pro wrestling with no one else watching, and all it took was 6 years of consistent mega pushes (blame creative all you want, but the guy was completely unconvincing in any face role he was given)

He has one good heel run in a dormant era and acts like he is Stone Cold.

I don’t think AEW have a long term future with their insane boss thinking he can write shows and their midcard EVPs, but at least their show is fun and people seem to be enjoying themselves.

WWE is the worst. Between a lack of stars, totally played out characters, 50/50 booking, horrendous camera work and boring, boring TV, it’s basically unwatchable.

I like this post and also want to see it again so it gets a #POTY Post Of The Year nomination

I can deal with bad booking to a point. It's the horrendous camera work for me.

Watching AEW is refreshing [maybe the wrong word but fuck it] in that I don't have to see 47 cuts a minute because someone decides we need a zoom shot of every single move.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Last Friday's <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> Rampage drew 578,000 total viewers, above 502K prior week. Smackdown drew 866,000 on FS1. AEW and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWE?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWE</a> tied in 18-49 demo (0.24), 18-34 male demo (0.20). AEW *beat* WWE in 18-49 male demo 0.34 to 0.32</p>&mdash; Pro Wrestling Torch (@PWTorch) <a href="https://twitter.com/PWTorch/status/1450195273246990338?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just got quarters, will have more later, head-to-head even though WWE was commercial free with big guns which is a 20K advantage (0.015), it was 0.25 for Rampage and 0.22 for Smackdown.</p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1450212803642413056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Punk vs. Becks was 0.28 to 0.21.</p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1450213297744084994?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ruby Soho vs. Bunny tied Roman &amp; Lesnar, both at 0.23.</p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1450213965070360576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We're obtained a new key ratings detail on Friday: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Rampage?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Rampage</a> beat <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWESmackdown?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWESmackdown</a> in head-to-head 30 minutes in the most coveted 18-49 demo - 328,000 to 285,000. Rampage led with Punk match, Smackdown featured Becky-Sasha and Lesnar. More details here:<a href="https://t.co/5b4ch7vmLW">https://t.co/5b4ch7vmLW</a></p>&mdash; Pro Wrestling Torch (@PWTorch) <a href="https://twitter.com/PWTorch/status/1450206349250506752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Meltzer/Alvarez have become unhinged. WWE was on a station with 100k less viewers than standard Cable TNT. A station is different from cable.

Ratings don’t work that way in 2021. Way too many variables. The 18-49 demo used to be key to getting into people’s wallets, but women have become increasingly important consumers (considered more important than men in many cases), and technological advancements make focusing on individual demos through targeted aims more realistic, driving down the competitive ad rate.

The “key demo” is an archaic term. Your best bet to reach people 18-49 is not through cable, and they are not always in the same position as Gen Xers were when it comes to disposable income.

Never mind the ad revenue split AEW has with WarnerMedia, and they’d need to double WWE’s ratings to be half-way as profitable in a 1:1 interpretation of the ratings. But then you have to factor in AEW’s explicit content, WWE’s global brand reach and AEW, frankly, being revolting to women. They don’t have the selling power of the WWE, which is why ratings matter AT ALL.

Celebrating a 0.02 win in one specific demo is disingenuous at best. And if this were just about popularity, not their value to their networks, overall popularity would matter more and AEW fans shouldn’t be forgetting that this was TNT vs. Fox Sports 1. Somehow I don’t think Rampage next week is going to get compared to SmackDown on FOX.

They’ve got no credibility left. It’s fine to have opinions, but their takes don’t have any evidentiary basis. Meltzer has tried to spread the myth that Kenny Omega means more at the box office than Randy Orton. When and how has he even been on a show that has been watched by more than 1.5 million people? But there’s no shame attached to that statement.

I heard him calling The Young Bucks the greatest tag team of all-time the other day, because they don’t have “bad matches.” Lots of people think The Bucks’ style is horrid. They’ve never been draws. But no shame.

You can feel him doing the mental gymnastics as he tries to spin everything into a win for AEW. Just surviving the big mean WWE machine is a win for poor little grassroots AEW.

He hasn’t broken a news story in AGES. Sean Ross Sapp broke the recent AEaw signings. Meltz was chasing his tail in the aftermath saying “I heard there were two big names and two giant names.” Well why didn’t he report that then?

AEW treats him like a fan they want to make mark out. WWE guys are probably a little annoyed he disrespects their work to try and further a narrative to sell his newsletter. Just like The Young Bucks don’t understand what “killing the business” meant. It wasn’t talking about your business, but the potential others can do after you. Meltzer will chew up anything and everything to monetise the shrinking number of hardcore fans there are out there.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A wrestling show beating WWE head to head on cable has not happened since 1998. It's a huge deal. <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestlingInc?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WrestlingInc</a></p>&mdash; Raj Giri (@RajGiri_303) <a href="https://twitter.com/RajGiri_303/status/1450216671285682179?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">All I’ll say is that the numbers news is a HOT topic right now backstage.</p>&mdash; WrestleVotes (@WrestleVotes) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestleVotes/status/1450217038354522113?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here’s a story nobody leaked to you over the weekend but I’ll give you rn, dog: <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEW</a> got a big victory over WWE after WWE aggressively extended their Friday show 30 minutes &amp; loaded it up head-to-head 10-10:30pm vs <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWRampage?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWRampage</a>, with AEW Rampage winning 328k to 285k (+15% margin).</p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1450211491580420104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Meltzer talking about “big guns” on Fox Sports 1, lol. Watch Dynamite move to Boomerang and see how it does.

AEW did not beat SmackDown, guys. SmackDown got 900k viewers. AEW got 600k. Fox Sports 1 vs. TNT. Advertisers do not care about head-to-head single >40 male demos. The race between Axe Body Spray and Domino’s Pizza is not going to put Vince McMahon out of business.

Is Tony Khan seriously bragging about getting 328k viewers lol? This dude is worse at Twitter than Trump was :rofl:

So far from what I have seen, TNA was putting on a better show than AEW is now back in 2005-2008ish..... but it didn't have the same "perfect storm" of events surrounding it that AEW has had... where it has become "cool" to hate on WWE and love the ragtag alternative.... and not just from the hardcore fan point of view but from the wrestling "journalists" and "IWC".... it has become like a "self-fulfilling prophecy".

Which I personally don't really have much of an issue with... the "journalists" gotta go with and cater to the population who is going to give them money... and the fans are rightfully hungry for an alternative right now.... but AEW is having success very much because of the environment it was born in and the sheer willpower of people WANTING it to happen than them actually being a significantly better product.... as I said, TNA cerca 2005-2008 was a better show than AEW is right now but didn't get credit because it wasn't really the "cool thing" to really hate WWE yet. For some portion of the hardcore fans sure, but nowhere near the amount today.

Very well said.

And while AEW has become a better show, they have become more insufferable as well. I just laughed that Tony Khan is using 328,000 viewers as some amazing stat to brag about. There is nothing they do as a company/brand outside of the 3 hours of television that is good in anyway. Cody found a stray dog like 2 years ago, and I cant remember a single thing since then that has been positive.

Its just whining "oh why us" and "its not fair" and bragging about nothing. They just arent likable people, even if their wrestling characters can be entertaining.

I am putting SD and Rampage ratings in a match as tag team partners, can they coexist!?

Imagine how insufferable the Attitude Era would have been if everyone talked about the Demos back then?

"Well, Raw beat Nitro's rating, but Nitro won the 18-34 Christian's who masturbate on odd days Demo."

LOL right!

At least back then cable was a growing industry and wrestling was at the forefront of it as a primary entertainment medium. There was also the real chance that one could genuinely go belly-up. There was actual tension there with WCW acquiring legitimately giant stars and Vince needing to create his own.

This is like the Monday Night Wars if only both shows failed to gain any traction in 1998.

Very salient post. And look — I totally get the anti-WWE stuff. I’ve been there. And that’s part of the work. If you can make people think you’re some cool alternative when you’re not — you’re doing *something* right there.

I get stroppy because people actually fall for the work and get upset when it is pointed out, haha. I don’t think AEW is an appreciably good show. I do not think it is appreciably better than even WWE. If you think so, cool. But there is so much underwhelming about it that I do still think it is going to hurt long-term. People are going to think this is the best that can be done.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shut up and wrestle.<br><br>I have a few things to get off my chest today on <a href="https://twitter.com/83Weeks?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@83Weeks</a>. Catch it now over at <a href="https://t.co/NGhpdGVUFd">https://t.co/NGhpdGVUFd</a> <a href="https://t.co/8cBuUfvhCL">pic.twitter.com/8cBuUfvhCL</a></p>&mdash; Eric Bischoff (@EBischoff) <a href="https://twitter.com/EBischoff/status/1450110046734626820?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

And more that I think about it, the Demo thing is dumber. It is the 18-34 male demographic. Like they are proud of catering to a bunch of dudes who look like them. And they are doing slightly better in that little speck of the viewing population. You know what they AREN'T talking about? How many women are watching the show. That Demo is a massacre, in favor of WWE.

And again, it isn't like WWE was on Fox. They were on a station with viewer eyeballs on it than TNT. And WWE still got more eyeballs on them than AEW.

Sage words.

its a high profit demo. or was. better than 60+ for instance