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Shisen Kopf 05-11-2019 11:03 PM

Should Lars Sullivan beat Kofi Kingston for the belt?
 
I say yes.

Triple A 05-11-2019 11:16 PM

Would be very funny to me so yes

Vastardikai 05-11-2019 11:29 PM

Should they? Probably not.

Will they? Almost certainly. Someone has to make the Big Dog look strong.

Bad News Gertner 05-11-2019 11:40 PM

He should beat Kofi in a "loser becomes the winners slave for 30 days" match.

mike adamle 05-11-2019 11:44 PM

He should destroy Kofi and then go bang Naomi for some real heel heat

Mr. Nerfect 05-12-2019 12:19 AM

Yeah, do it. Anything that hurts WWE at this point is good in my books.

Mr. Nerfect 05-12-2019 12:20 AM

Put the Universal Title on Corbin as well.

Seanny One Ball 05-12-2019 01:36 AM

He should beat the black off him.

Go for the real heat.

Mr. Nerfect 05-12-2019 01:41 AM

He should beat all three members of New Day in a Gauntlet Match.

Seanny One Ball 05-12-2019 01:42 AM

Racist

Droford 05-12-2019 01:43 AM

for a second I read this as "with a belt"

Seanny One Ball 05-12-2019 01:44 AM

Quote posts with your good arm

Mr. Nerfect 05-12-2019 01:50 AM

You should post while trying to suck your own dick like Seanny does. Leaves both arms free.

Seanny One Ball 05-12-2019 02:09 AM

What do you say, Droford? How limber are you?

Shisen Kopf 05-12-2019 02:18 AM

Wait. Mr Nerfect is Droford? Is that free loading skank still mooching off you?

Fignuts 05-12-2019 04:15 AM

Yeah, Droford changed his name after he finally got laid. His name was Chuck.

Droford 05-12-2019 04:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shisen Kopf (Post 5251553)
Wait. Mr Nerfect is Droford? Is that free loading skank still mooching off you?

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his name reminds me of this which I just saw

xrodmuc316 05-12-2019 01:01 PM

If Lars gets a world title run before Samoa Joe, Drew McIntyre, and Braun Strowman, Vince McMahon should be forced into retirement.

Shisen Kopf 05-12-2019 03:18 PM

Hopefully he punts a baby. Dude is Snitsky V 2.0

Gerard 05-12-2019 03:29 PM

If Lars wins he needs to have a vignette a week later with Kofi picking Cotton in a field and Lars whipping him while calling him "Boy" in his best Southern accent .

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xrodmuc316 05-12-2019 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerard (Post 5251614)
If Lars wins he needs to have a vignette a week later with Kofi picking Cotton in a field and Lars whipping him while calling him "Boy" in his best Southern accent .

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And if Lars can't do a southern accent, Vince will bury him like he is Luke Harper!

Mr. JL 05-13-2019 01:10 AM

It would be classic Mr. McMahon if this did indeed happen.

The guy should be booked to job to every minority wrestler for the next 10 years before they even consider pushing him to the top of the card.

Juan 05-13-2019 06:02 AM

Racism is funny

Sixx 05-27-2019 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Juan (Post 5251761)
Racism is funny

Right?

Destor 05-27-2019 12:09 PM

If wrestling still had a spine id say yes. This would be an organic angle. Lean into it. Imagine how good it would feel to have kofi go over him 6 months in. I remember hating heels because they were the worst humans on earth. Heard a mark say Moxly was heel in AEW despite the crowd Austin level popping their balls off. I guess thats whay heels are now. Massively over babies, loved by all.

Tom Guycott 05-30-2019 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5256105)
If wrestling still had a spine id say yes. This would be an organic angle. Lean into it. Imagine how good it would feel to have kofi go over him 6 months in. I remember hating heels because they were the worst humans on earth.

The problem is with the shitty writing of WWE, they wouldn't do that.

And by "that", I mean follow up with having Kofi go back over Lars. There would be no comeuppance. There would be no payoff. It would be like "people like you" HHH beating Booker T, or when Albert was busy cosplaying as the world's biggest weeb, and Yoshi Tatsu "took offence" to it. The former led to a match proving Hunter right (and he was the heel) and the latter was a squash match that led to nothing (and Tensai was the heel).

The "racist" heel beats the minority face, and that's the end of that, because we still have to use the now vastly outdated metric of Lars being big and looking like a superstar walking through an airport. They wouldn't get to the "and the racist got beaten" or "and the racist reformed". In the case of Kofi, it would just be a means to get the belt off of him since he wasn't supposed to be there to begin with instead of the company riding off of the organic highs that come along and being happy with it.


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Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5256105)
Heard a mark say Moxly was heel in AEW despite the crowd Austin level popping their balls off. I guess thats whay heels are now. Massively over babies, loved by all.

Firstly, it's too early to tell, since it was a debut. Of course he was going to get a pop even if he raped a puppy and kicked a child to death, because HOLY SHIT DEAN AMBROSE IS MOX AGAIN AND HE LEFT WWE!!!111!!!1ONE At the moment, tweener, but pointing to being a heel that nobody will want to boo.

Face move of DDTing Jericho, but then he attacks the ref and beats the hell out of the clearly babyface Omega. Total heel move, but people anymore will cheer just about anything. Hell, even in the midst of Jericho working the crowd before Mox showed up, he wasn't getting as many boos as he should have. People were trying to start "thank you" chants instead of giving him the heat he was looking for by saying he's expecting said "thank you". Chris tells the crowd to "shut up", and you get assheads like "yayyyy, he told me to shut up, he's awesome!" instead of doing their part and going "fuck you, dickhead! booo!!!"

Fignuts 05-30-2019 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5256105)
If wrestling still had a spine id say yes. This would be an organic angle. Lean into it. Imagine how good it would feel to have kofi go over him 6 months in. I remember hating heels because they were the worst humans on earth. Heard a mark say Moxly was heel in AEW despite the crowd Austin level popping their balls off. I guess thats whay heels are now. Massively over babies, loved by all.

WWE isn't a wrestling promotion. They're a publically traded, multimedia empire. Their sponsors don't allow them to have a spine.

That said, I wonder if that would even work in today's enviornment. Would people let themselves be told that story, or would they immediately get outraged that this man's past mistakes are being used as a race angle, and reject it outright.

I think the latter.

Fignuts 05-30-2019 12:57 AM

Wish JVC KaBoomBox was still a sponsor. They were totally cool with raunchy content.

Droford 05-30-2019 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5256962)
Wish JVC KaBoomBox was still a sponsor. They were totally cool with raunchy content.

They could help out Brock give him a better boom box in the briefcase

Destor 05-30-2019 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Guycott (Post 5256956)
Firstly, it's too early to tell

Only if you're deaf

Luigi 05-30-2019 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Iceman King Gertner (Post 5251508)
He should beat Kofi in a "loser becomes the winners slave for 30 days" match.

Are you being serious with this post? You do realise that Lars Sullivan made controversial racist remarks a few years ago right? What type of message would this send to the boys if the WWE made a mockery of the situation? That racism and unwarranted "monkey" jokes are tolerable and acceptable? If you're not being serious with your post, then might I suggest you grow up.

Fignuts 05-30-2019 08:50 PM

You tell em’.

Luigi 05-30-2019 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5257293)
You tell em’.

Do people on here seriously condone those kinds of comments?

Tom Guycott 05-31-2019 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5257082)
Only if you're deaf

Again, getting a huge pop on a "surprise" debut doesn't just automatically make the man a babyface.

Like I said earlier, fans generally don't play their part anymore. Even MJF has to go overboard to get the reaction he truly deserves. Jericho had to work extra hard for what heat he got, and quite a bit of the crowd was still very noticeably cheering him. He was clearly the heel. He has been a heel since the establishment of AEW. He does heel things. He cheats. He's a giant dick. He treats the management of AEW and all the fans like an asshole. But by your logic with this, he's a babyface, because people still cheer him?

Mox got a babyface reaction because of who he was and the situation surrounding him. If this were a good number of years ago when crowds actually played along, the ref attack and subsequent brawl with Kenny would have had the fans turn on him. Instead, the whole thing became one long "holy shit" circlejerk. Doesn't mean he's supposed to be the hero.

He could do the promo right now where he's bloody with a fork and kept getting... uncomfortable with whoever that chick was supposed to be (read: hair pulling her back when she's trying to escape and gesturing that he's threatining to stab her in the neck while rambling about her smelling like the inside of his mom's purse), and he would get cheers "because he's Dean Ambrose and he cut a totally non-scripted promo and fuck WWE guyz!"

They could run with it, but it doesn't mean that was the intention. They might not run with it at all, and he goes totally batshit and finds a way to make the fans play along with his heeldom and get the proper response. That's why I said it's too early.

Fignuts 05-31-2019 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luigi (Post 5257353)
Do people on here seriously condone those kinds of comments?

They're actually encouraged.

Mr. Nerfect 05-31-2019 01:40 AM

Yep, you've got to keep the boards interesting as they hit all-time lows in terms of popularity. Hey, there's no way the two could be connected, right?

Mr. Nerfect 05-31-2019 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5256961)
WWE isn't a wrestling promotion. They're a publically traded, multimedia empire. Their sponsors don't allow them to have a spine.

That said, I wonder if that would even work in today's enviornment. Would people let themselves be told that story, or would they immediately get outraged that this man's past mistakes are being used as a race angle, and reject it outright.

I think the latter.

Yeah, we're at a point in time where people will just turn off content that rubs them the wrong way in that sense. And it doesn't even need to be offensive content either. I think we're at the point where wrestling fans have gotten into each other's ears about being sick of Brock to the point where Brock's ability to draw has been negated.

Even things that should theoretically work aren't guaranteed to in the environment they have cultivated.

Fignuts 05-31-2019 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5257379)
Yep, you've got to keep the boards interesting as they hit all-time lows in terms of popularity. Hey, there's no way the two could be connected, right?

You've been known to use foul language Noid, so don't be surprised when you get a talking to from Luigi as well!

Sixx 05-31-2019 06:13 AM

Luigi must be like 50 years old.

Tom Guycott 05-31-2019 06:40 AM

I just assume everyone is a sock of a more well-known poster until proven otherwise. This is no exception.


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