I have a question about Gamergate
 

Is there a list anywhere of the targets of Gamergate?

And, if this becomes the "official" Gamergate thread, I'm good with that. It seems kinda out of place in the general news thread.

What do you mean by "targets"? The advertisers and PR firms? There's email lists I can find for ya.

I'm still confused how a game rating on a video game website is justification for some people to send death and rape threats to females in the industry. Absolutely deplorable behaviour.

Can we make this the official gamegate thread? Don't really want to hear about it.

@roaddoggy

That is not a GG issue. We don't condone threats of any type to anybody. There has always been trolls of this sort way before GG started.

Well unfortunately, they seem to be the most vocal bunch associating themselves with the movement.

What is supposed to be the message of the movement anyway? I've tried reading up on it but Twitter is terrible for that.

Mainly journalistic integrity, but it's growing into improving several facets of gaming media and culture. End to harassment/bullying, transparency between companies and news sites, greater diversity, more women speaking up for themselves, etc.

Every time a new smear embargo is lifted; a new goal is added. GG would not have as positive a message it has if the game journos didn't try so hard to smear the group as a whole.

But yeah, the assholes are poisoning the well. Both sides got major harassment.

Well, Zoe Quinn was the first, right?

No.

We don't "target" people like that. I can explain how Zoe Quinn was involved in creating GG, though. If you wish.

Can you please elaborate? I'd never heard of Gamergate before her.

What people do you, as in "we", target?

See, when I hear that, it sounds like something worth sticking up for.

But the large majority of what I have been reading is painting it as a bunch of 4channers threatening and posting private information of a few females within the industry.

Very difficult to ascertain what each side's message is when sifting through tweets.

Okay...

Once upon a time (bout two months ago) Zoe Quinn's ex boyfriend posted an epic expose on their relationship, detailing her multiple affairs with several men. What made this interesting was that two of the men; one a writer for Kotaku and the other her boss. Keep in mind Quinn is a developer who's game "Depression Quest" was greenlit to the chagrin of other devs on Steam. The Kotaku writer having written about Quinn 'before' their relationship and her messing around with her boss raised eyebrows.

YouTube user MundaneMatt made a video of the above jilted lover post and Zoe Quinn had it DMCA's (that is, taken down for copyright). Matt had used a single image from her game (legally) but in any case reuploaded the vid without the image. Her attempt to have the vid taken down, of course, did not seem like a copyright issue - as Depression Quest is free to obtain on Steam. At the same time this was happening there was a dead silence about the Quinn Post on gaming sites, who usually have no issue reporting on devs sex scandals.

That coupled with Quinn's thing with a Kotaku writer sprouted a demand for answers about how journalists behave with their subjects. The ensuing investigations revealed a deep well of shit that runs pretty deep. And so we have GamerGate.

Quinn herself was revealed to have smeared a game jam that wanted to get women devs to make games. She had a problem with that and had her fans(?) hack the site and nearly killed the charity. 4chan, of all places, saved the game jam allowing women to make some games. Basically she's kinda dastardly.

But Quinn isn't important to GG as she is not a journalist or anybody of particular power who can enact good or bad change. Any harassment she gets are from troll opportunist and GG wishes her safety like anybody else. This of course doesn't stop her from coming out with random jabs at GG but whatever.

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This vid covers the issue at the start. Many things changed since then of course but the video does paint why she seemed important to casual onlookers til this day.

Yeah Twitter makes it very hard to follow. 4chan is no longer becoming a factor since moot (the owner) was revealed to be on the game journo side and attended an SJW conference. People who used 4chan 'migrated' to 8chan where they can speak freely about the subject.

People are being doxxed on both sides. Literally no game site (and now mainstream news) reports on the harassment GG supporters have received. The difference in what's reported and what's happening would blow your mind.

I'm glad you're doing due diligence, though. Most people see a female dev speaking about 'nerd men' harassing her and that's all they need to hear.

To elaborate my answer to drave; we try to send letters to advertisers and PR firms en masse to get them to dissociate with certain sites that marginalize and shame gamers, devs, and even other journalists. You may have heard that Intel pulled their ads from Gamasutra, which was one of the sites that posted a "Gamers Are Dead" article - part of a coordinated effort to get gamers off the issue. Didn't work.

I don't think I have ever once read a gaming website publish an article about a sex scandal involving game developers

What is defined as an "SJW conference" and what is wrong with attending one?

Didn't Kotuku address this specially saying that nothing was wrong?

Do you think they're lying? If so, why?

That is a long video. I'll finish watching it later. Some questions, though:

What is a SJW conference, and why is it bad?

Why did Quinn have a problem with the game jam?

While I disagree with the Gamasutra article, it doesn't seem so bad that it deserves loss of advertising as a consequence. Why would you have that as a goal?

I think GameJam's issues were signaling out women for the show was showing that they aren't already integrally apart of the video game industry. Making a show about a glass ceiling that might not exist basically the show was creating one by the image it was sending.

http://kotaku.com/leisure-suit-larry...nge-1481988709

And also, Brad Wardell was a more prominent event - it's used mainly to show a clear double standard on which 'game related' news is worth posting versus others:

http://kotaku.com/5940401/pc-gaming-...ual-harassment

https://twitter.com/draginol/status/504983018613006336

Social Justice Warrior ideology has grown within game journalism. Many people find that it obscures the point (or at least the expectations) of why people go to these sites. It's why headlines went from "Tomb Raider is Cool But Controls Are Eh" to "Tomb Raider is Cool But Why is She Wearing Those Shorts". It's feminist agenda specifically, and far-left in general. They claim to fight for minorities/gender equality but recent events shown that this is not the case (at least for the ones in the spot light).

Nearly all the sites who participates in the gamer spearing campaign are all managed by a single PR firm (Silver String Media) which has ties to feminist academia (DIGRA). One article blasting gamers as misogynists is happenstance, two is coincidence, 10+ in two days is a media buff. Yes, they are all under Silver String. Bear in mind gamers know how to recognize an 'embargo lift' when they see one. It was very coordinated in response to mass interest in journalistic ties.

So what's wrong with attending an SJW conference? Nothing really. The importance of who's connected to who is how 1) It shows GG wasn't just conspiracy baiting when we initially felt there was something amiss, and 2) It shows that the vilification of core gamers was in the wings of extreme liberalism and is quite strong. Threads about GamerGate were actively closed on 4chan - the website known for allowing almost anything. Then the owner was revealed to be in league with SJW's. That is an important and relevant catch.

It also explains why Anita Sarkeesian got purely positive coverage for her video series and next to no counter-arguments were given such coverage. My own blog post on GamerGate was replied with accusations of conspiracy theorist rhetoric - and right on time an article surfaced that revealed that these game journalists did in fact coordinate the suppression of the Quinn story - among other interesting things.

Stephen Totilo saying "I've looked into it, nothing was wrong" is not something with a truth value. It could be that he truly feels nothing was wrong with his writer having a relationship with his subject. His senior editorial judgment that it's not wrong in itself can't be judged as truth or lie, it's his call. His site. We do think it's wrong, particularly when another writer of his promoted games from her girlfriend and her roommate on Kotaku without disclosing her personal relationships.

Kotaku is known as a gaming news site where journalism is expected. None of these findings would be wrong if Kotaku didn't see themselves as this. They get news site ad revenue and news site access to the industry, but they act as a personal blog. That's cool, but we're actively getting at their advertisers and the game publishers to cut ties. You simply can't call gamers rapists and compare them to ISIS while getting money from ads of games.

Not bad per se. I explain some in my reply to RoXer above.

She claims they were discriminate to trans-persons, which the runners of the game jam rejected. Some say Quinn just didn't like that they were focused on good games for good games sake rather than her ideals of games that push messages. Either case seems petty. I can link you closer looks to this particular situation if you wish in PMs. I fear I'm getting into DTTS levels of link bombing already. :-\

Intel specifically pulled their ads because of Gamasutra writer Leigh Alexander's hilariously toxic actions on Twitter.

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Seriously she's hilarious. She calls for ending other writer's careers, made arguably racists comments, and desperately hates gamers. There are entire collages collecting her zaniest posts. On top of the article Gamasutra published, her actions were the nail in the coffin.

I can vibe with that thought. The game jam was ran by quasi-feminist group "Fine Young Capitalists". 4chan and GG helped them complete the project, with the real point being gamers being misogynists just wasn't the case.

Anita and Zoe also tried to persuade people not to donate to the game jam, even after it was revealed that some proceeds went to colon cancer research.

I'd like to properly respond to this, but that is an incomprehensible series of pronouns. There's a woman who wrote a game, which Totilo promoted, and that woman from'ed her girlfriend and roommate on Kotaku?

And so, you Gamergate people wrote to Intel to ask that they stop advertising on sites where she posted articles?

By the way, I'm not ignoring the rest of your posts. It's just hard to reply to large posts with links while on my phone at work.

lol Sorry, speed typing.

Kotaku writer Patricia Hernandez wrote two pieces on two different games. These games were designed by her girlfriend and roommate. It's possible Totilo had no idea of this. The articles have since added disclosures at their footnotes.

Hell, after Totilo's dismissal laced response, he came back later on with a much more reasoned and respectful response. He also recently went to twitter asking for people on the GG side who has been harassed for an article he's doing. He's shown massive improvement and while many others don't trust him, I dig it.

Personally, I feel he had no clue about his writer's conduct and was caught between downplaying the reveals or admitting he's running a circus. I kinda sympathize with him.

Pretty much. Most of us have Intel products of some sort in our stuff and the only way we could really hit these guys and where it hurts. It wasn't until we were ignored by gaming media that we really resorted to hitting up companies.

Aside from an EA representative making a neutral-to-GG toned post, all of the big companies have been quiet. There was one anonymous Xbox developer who says the atmosphere in the company is largely GamerGate side, but since he can't speak officially I rather wait to see official responses.

Until then we gotta hit ad revenue.

It's cool. Funny thing is I'm trying really hard to give you the short versions of these events.

Earlier when I asked about "targets", I meant entities (people or companies) who Gamergate took action against in their mission to root out corruption. So, Zoe Quinn, Patricia Hernandez, etc. That's the list I'm interested in.

Off the top of my head, these are the sites most closely related to the unethical actions we wanna root out (it hasn't been confirmed that there's corruption per se but people are looking into financial ties - there's some shit about Fez winning an indy games award that was... educational):

Kotaku (Ed: Stephen Totilo)
RockPaperShotgun
Polygon (Ed: Ben Kuchira, who is certainly on the darker side of things)
Gamasutra (where is Leigh Alexander is STILL employed)
Ars Technica.

I'll try to get a decent list. There's no definitive 'enemy list' or anything.

A very recent interview where GamerGate supporters and one sympathizer finally bring the other side of the argument to mainstream. This is after two wildly slanted interviews by HuffPost, CNN, and MSNBC days ago.

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I've been on this since day-0. I have my reasons for why I didn't bring the fuss in here after nearly three months but since we got this thread, I will say again I'm open to whatever questions you got. I also urge you to take every word I say with heavy speculation. Challenge it. Force me to get evidence or do research to prove me wrong. I want you to take a deeper look if you want. I have no reason to slant you in any way.

Just please, don't believe the hype on game sites and mainstream media until you see they've given a voice to people on our side more often. It's no coincidence GG supporters are rarely heard outside of their own social spots and GG threads close left and right, while anti-GG get all the platform they need. But again, ask me whatever. Check stuff out. I can hook you up with some sweet vids, bro.

So confused. Tried to keep up but to many abbreviated words that I did not know the meaning too. Is GamerGate a bunch of gamers, the people threatening to kill other people, or the feminist against gaming? Is all this just because of the "Hatred" game coming out?

What exactly do the feminist want?

What was you tweet taken out of context?

After reading this thread, and this being the first ive ever heard of it, I've concluded that this is very stupid.

Oops, it was TechCrunch.

There was a hashtag weeks ago called 'WriteAKotakuArticle' where people had fun making headlines that parodied Kotaku's click-bait headlines. I did a few and ended with this:

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Which led to a writer from TechCrunch taking offense at what he alledges was a 'rape joke'. He would go on to mention it in his article:

Hilariously, a collage went viral amongst the GG community collecting actual alarmist Kotaku headlines with rape in the title. My parody was pitch perfect. I think I tweeted it to the writer, I forget.

Outta nowhere.

Where in the goals of Gamergate are tasks such as flooding research surveys with harassing responses?

What is a smear embargo?

If Gamergate supposedly has such a "positive message", why is it associated with so much harassment, threats, and so forth?

Why do you not believe Totilo? What did Quinn do that was wrong?

So, wait, I'm confused. There's no confirmation of corruption, but you're going after these sites anyway?

Haha what a surprise Kalyx is a GGer. It attracts robotic sociopathic idiot babies who think they're amazing.

Rockpapershotgun corrupt fucking lol

That Five guys video was sexist bullshit.

Cries about GG and giving own thread. Watches vid and posts in GG thread.


GG STD.

Saw the video awhile ago and forgot to talk about it.

It's lovely that you'd cite Jezebel of all of Gawker's sites. Part of Gawker's narrative is absolutely to spin anything and everything into 'GamerGate is evils'. But sure, let's look at this article.

She's going to have to do better than 'a few organizations gave her links'. And as for her email:

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/...dr4c7hx5yv.png

Who targeted her project? She's saying it's GG, sure, but I don't recall any calls to target what sounds like a fairly unknown and secretive project of hers. How would any of us know about this, and then organize a disruption - into the "tens of thousands of entries" - and then how did this guy know? Did he catch a call to arms on Twitter? A GG thread? Perhaps a private GG thread that he 'infiltrated'?

You linked to an article from a biased site that itself links to nothing but study that reveals no intimate scale, that was warned from some guy based on whispers in the wind. But let's move on.

lol no. Any and call call to arms (that are usually email campaigns to advertisers) are almost exclusively done on twitter; publicly and issued by anybody who thinks they have a good idea to contact companies. 8chan did get a rise in users after 4chan started closing GG threads left and right (see my post on Moot's involvement), but it is hardly a base of operations. But let's move on with her sleuthing:

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Sounds pretty bad. This discussion (un-linked, of course) had something against her work and appeared to have struck. But there's no GG connection other than her erroneous belief that 8chan is our base. Her findings end right there. We have nothing but her word that GG organized this from 8chan. The word of a Gawker writer, who writes specifically on Gawker's most liberal social justice blog. Compare her standards of evidence to my big post a page ago when you questioned me about GamerGate.

And now comes the thesis of the piece. Most anti-GG articles go like this: "I hate GG wanna know why, look what I found, see what I mean, aren't they evil guys, we must stop GG."

Consider that right now their message is about how they tried to have a conversation and got shut down, but out in the open they do everything in their power not to have a public conversation. I mean, what would GG even have to gain shutting down her study? Perhaps the rest of the 8chan thread could light context- OH WAIT.

They know nothing but what they wanna know. Charities, game jams, calling out bullies, and helping to root out who dox'd and harassed Anita and Brianna - Never happened, we're a hate group. The rest of her article spins the history of our side to align with a study of how hate groups form and operate, which is a-whole-nother debate.

She ends on that note because how do we feel about hate groups? The nazis, KKKs, and Westboro's of the country? We dismiss them. We ignore them if possible. Don't look at them, they're evil. The difference is none of those groups waste time presenting themselves as anything other than what they are.

What, strategically speaking, do we have to gain talking about journalistic integrity and ending gamer shaming but the trying to scare writers out of the office? For what? What tactical mojo did we use to get the women and minorities we apparently hate to side with us? I just linked an interview that featured women on our side. How did we do that? Who do we hate, exactly?

Off the article, let's get back to your post.

It's just me combining article embargos and Silver Media's smear campaign against us. The multiple sites under this PR group released anti-gamer articles inside of two days, much like the lifting of preview embargoes on these same sites.

That article you posted? That sort of thing is all the mainstream public knows about GamerGate. We have had next to no representation in media. A few smaller blogs and an interview here and there, but that's versus near daily anti-GG pieces by much better organized and funded companies. We were completely misrepresented on CNN for fuck sake.

1) I never said I didn't believe him. My last post about him mused about how him seeing nothing wrong with his writer's actions is probably his actual feelings on the matter. He seems like a nice guy with questionable workers.

2) Zoe Quinn:
- Had two affairs that very likely assisted her career and standing with games media.
- Shut down a game jam that aimed to get women to create games.
- Fabricated harassment in attempt to vilify a site called Wizardchan.
- And generally speaking; cheated on her bf five times. Really now?

There's a difference between being unethical and flat out corruption. If it was the latter, authorities would be involved (the Fez/Indy awards thing came close).

This post highlights one of the points I've been speaking of in this thread. I have done nothing but reply questions and tell my perspective this whole thread. And there are no prior clashes between me and Rogerer on this forum. I'll leave it at that.

If anybody has questions or want me to elaborate on past answers I'll do my best.

How so?

I don't understand... Are you saying this thread was in response to people crying about GG in VG forums? And is there something all of sudden wrong with posting vids we watched on here?

What are you saying?

He used the word cunt.

Okay?

Just sayin' using that word makes him a sexist. I'm not talking anything he says about a woman seriously.

That's unfortunate.

But he's not sexist, and if anything he's used his channel and twitter to give women a great platform to speak up. But if his actions and arguments mean nothing to you because of a word, I can't make that horse drink that water.

I can send you other vids of his where he's not talking about a woman since you're willing to take other subject seriously. There are also other vids explaining the 'Five Guys' thing that doesn't use the word cunt.

Just saying there's ways around your aversion to the word, I can work with you.

Nope, Its not as bad as the N word but it's similar. Not acceptable in any form anywhere ever.

Okay fine; but would you like other videos or text on the matter that doesn't involve words that offend you?

The overt sexism made me shut down about the topic. Go ahead.

before I go hunting later; it's the Five Guys thing you wanna know about?

Whatever you think is relevant but that seems to be the major part right?

Not really. The Five Guys thing led to the mysteriously dismissive nature of reddit and game journos. Nobody really cares about Quinn now since the movement solidified on the actions of game journos. She just kinda pops up and makes a baiting tweet these days now.

So moving past that; what would you like to know. We'll start fresh.

Just say what do you think you will accomplish as a Gamergate member. What's the end game? Like no more Corporate sponsors in game journalism? Like when Doritos bought IGN the Halo 4 Package for a review?

The endgame would be:

- The end of gender bias in games journalism. If one sex scandal is off the ropes because a developer's sex life isn't industry relevant; none of them are. Same with sextape and nude pic leaks (as far as Gawker media goes).

- Disclaimers of any prior relationships between journalist and subject (Kotaku and others have already started this to their credit).

- On a broader, yes, certain paid articles and corporate shilling needs to end or at least downplay.

- Writers need to differentiate between a game review (which should focus on merits of the game), and their own personal of a game's subtext. This is a tricky line, but a lot of us have been bothered with how game articles are written nowadays. Polygon's Bayonetta 2 review said nothing that would help a potential buyer, but it sure was sexist, eh? They can have blog spaces for that conversation. Gaming needs to be about gaming again.

- The end of toxic discourse in the gaming community. GamerGate and Game Journos can together make a huge stand against this age old behavior, we're too busy blaming each other. Nobody, nobody wants to be harassed, threatened or dox'd. Together we need to vilify this behavior. Understandably you can't stop a troll from being a troll, but since we both hate them, we can certainly make their lives hell.

- Integrity, not even of the job specific kind. Some sites have made changes in response to things we called out - like a month later. A lot of people believe that GG wouldn't be nearly as big as it is if they initially identified the issue, apologized where warranted, and went from there. Closing threads, doubling down on hateful articles, bullying other members of your field for taking a neutral stance, and equating people to ISIS is not going to go well. These are things that would crumble any industry or social group outside of gaming.

If you had a fucking brain in your nut you'd be able to discern what you read for yourself and let the free market continue as it does.

It was to STD - nothing more.

Feel like personal life details are not the business of the general public.

If anyone, GG involved or not, ever believes this will ever happen, then good on them. Truthfully, however, no one will ever know the truth. Even if any companies say they are 100% transparent, this will never go away. It exists in everything in life. That being said, it would be nice to see more people focus this kind of effort on "corruption" in more important venues.

Actually, it would be best if people who had a relationship in the past to excuse themselves from doing articles on their exes. They don't need to announce the details of their love lives. They just have to not write articles on people they have slept with or dated.

to Drave: I just wanted it out of News because at this point it's more opinion of what happened than what actually happened. News is news and opinion is opinion.

have nothing important to add except to say that I really hope the term "doxxed" does not become a "thing" people start saying

I agree and add that I hope "Journos" for journalists isn't a thing.

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Agreed. This could be seen as an experiment of sorts. This kind of focused energy targeted at big corporations and politics would be very good.

Way too late for that, I'm afraid.

I think that's more to do with working around Twitter's character limit (although I used the shorthand a few times in my blog). Just silly things that stick.

what does Doxxed mean? Is that like "M.O.M. and P.O.P."?

Having you 'documents' dropped online. Just having your identity and/or address leaked.

Does this woman deserve the death threats? The one that spawned this shit? Who smells the Apple Pie upon entering a house? That's what I want to know. That's what we're here for.

Of course not.

We don't condone threatening Quinn. Actually we really wanna ignore her.

Who cooked it?

Only @ 7.

Is that We gamergate or We the triangle man that lives in your head?

Just having your identity leaked - NOTHING TO SEE HERE!

Then do so.

I want to ignore that body I buried behind the biscuit factory

can i borrow a feeling/can i borrow a jar of love.

You serious with this? Like... you're fine posting your first and last and address right here? Maybe you don't care but a lot of people do.

We do for the most part. She winds up trending when people catch her latest tweet. Eh.

Don't be so damn ignorant. It was sarcasm to the effect of the nonchalant way you expressed it in your post:

Perhaps I misinterpret the usage, but generally justifying a statement with "just" leading it implies that things could be worse.

Like it or not, GG as a whole has been represented as the responsible parties for disseminating said information.

So you want to ignore her, for the most part. Right.

As a gamer, the entire situation disgusts me. There will be, always has been and always will be paid-opinion articles so long as we live in a world driven by profit. The only thing the entire situation has garnered is a series of nasty smear campaigns on BOTH sides, catching those who aren't even involved in the crosshairs as well.

Opinion articles are fine.

And yeah, I didn't mean to make doxing seem like a non-issue.

Is the GG community going after Youtubers who have been ousted as being paid to do reviews too?

We don't have issues with that, specifically.

Personally, I don't mind paid reviews. They're easy to spot and to some degree companies are at fault for making that kind of environment (though the reviewers could refuse).

Just feels/appears to be a cause full of inconsistencies.

I guess I feel there are much more major issues to deal with in the gaming world, if that truly is what GG is all about. Instead, lets focus on the personal lives of certain people here and there. Targeting companies that advertise on specific websites rather than targeting the companies themselves seems like a significant misfire.

GG is just as SJW as the other end of the spectrum, simply in their own light.

I don't think so but I can say we tried to get at the companies. Their dismissive attitude is what led to this scale. Writers don't address this, get at their editor. He dismisses it, get at parent company. Company seems slow to react, holla at their ad revenue. That tends to be the steps.

I still don't understand why any of this is important to anyone anywhere.

That's fine. You can check out my last big posts here or peep the GamerGate tag on Twitter or KnowYourMeme. There are people who will explain probably better than I can.

Adobe cuts ties with Gawker over their writers' recent bullying on Twitter.

And in the process, do potential harm to those who aren't involved in any form.

Well done.

In what part of this process do innocent people get harmed?

Pulling ad revenue from a site/company has a direct effect on the entire company. Was there a single ENTIRE company responsible?

A valid point, but you can't use that point without acknowledging the harm that comes from sites calling all gamers misogynist, racists, terrorists. And I don't recall this point coming in response to other actions against game companies (boycott whoever because DLC this and that). Only now are we supposed to consider that people in these companies could be hurt from their employer or co-workers' actions? Is this something you've always felt?

I've never read this kind of reaction to having ads pulled. In any other scenario consumers getting things done is fair game.

Name calling, that is what this boils down to from the likes of it. If someone insults you on the street, are you going to obtain their personal info and "doxx" them, or reciprocate in kind and move along? Other than bruising egos, what damage has name calling ever really done? GTFO with that.

I am talking financial damage. People that have zero to do with this could be financially impacted thanks to the stupidity of both sides of this nonsensical issue. Devs having to move ENTIRE FAMILY HOUSEHOLDS because of a group of trolls that want to "doxx" people? It is on the same level of "SWATTING" because you kicked some 12 year olds ass at the latest CoD.

Example of mass boycott related to DLC that has harmed a company/studio? Closest RECENT event I can think of that even comes close was the uproar about the ME3 ending. Video games are another art form and the devs of ME should have said "STFU" and left it at that. They cannot though, because of whiney brats that believe something should be the way they want it without consideration of anyone else. When has a company ever been hurt from such actions?

And no, it should have been considered BEFORE doing something so dumb. A leaderless movement of any sort will net you cannon fodder in any arena. This would be the equivalent, in real life, of country A outright obiterating country B and every single inhabitant because there were a "couple bad guys" that really needed to be destroyed.

Emailing PR firms that use sites where writers smear their own readership is not doxxing. And actual doxxing is not something anybody is fond of on either side (though we have caps of journalists advocating the doxxing of the wider known GG supporters).

Again; this is reasoning I've rarely heard before. When advertisers pulled away from some of Fox News more toxic programs, I don't recall people being sympathetic about Glenn Beck's camera man who has nothing to do with Glenn's comments. When boycotts were called for Chick Fil A over their anti-gay stance, nobody spoke about how employees who are not anti-gay being affected.

Yes, these things are horrible. I take it you're still equating GamerGate with these actions. After all my posts in this thread, I don't know what else to tell you on the matter. We don't condone it, we would love to root out anybody doing it in the movement's name. We never, ever celebrate these things. People on our side have been doxxed, including a journalists who looked into it and made a few articles having a syringe sent to his house. No threats (he's got some) or bad language (he gets harassed on Twitter all the time now) - but a syringe sent to his house. They have his address and are willing to make contact of some sort. This is happening to people on both sides and nobody wants that - except for opportunistic trolls who everybody already hates.

I mean; the swatting bullshit - would you equate that to the CoD community? Or would you conclude that there's just assholes out there?

So us contacting PR firms being effective bothers you? It only matters if it works or not, right?

I guarantee if there were no forward movement on that (as it was initially), it would be laughed off. But since things are happening - legally - contacting companies with concerns is all of sudden a hit below the belt.

You return to this 'collateral damage' argument and I will repeat that you and anybody else on this would never consider this if it was a company you were displeased with. You don't seem worried that gamer community is dealing with collateral damage from the actions of a trollish few. You have argued this whole time for the journalists' sake.

Do you not believe innocent GG people are being threatened and doxxed?

Trolls aside; this is what many of these journalists consider reasonable:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0gGGveIYAE6Cs5.jpg:large

They pulled because of the pro-bully comments from a Gawker writer I mentioned just a few posts ago. She knows this. This is a classic shaming tactic of extreme liberals.

Please explain how it's different from what 'you' ninnies did first, ie harrassing advertisers literally like concerned soccer moms. Oh, it's not as bad as that. Happy to help.

There's something about this topic that renders you into talking gibberish. I'll engage you whenever you wanna talk. Until then I don't have the patience for... whatever point you've been trying to make here and in Discussion.

Reaction tweets of the Adobe thing (gag reaction in first pic):

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0g8lECIAAEOwVi.png:large

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...arassing-women

You dirty honky bastards.

I guess the girl also cheated on her boyfriend who posted alot of personal stuff about her online photos etc.

She was doing a game journalist. People think she got good press for her non-game Depression Quest because of the sex. Her game is barely a game so it probably should have never been reviewed.

It wasn't that; it was the reaction to the inquiry that revealed something off about how these sites covered the story (not at all), which in turn revealed gender bias - which in term coincided with their growing politicizing of game coverage. Their toxic behavior after the fact started GamerGate.

I just don't know what else to tell you.

Ah, I see with the Sam Biddle thing. You pride yourself on being humourless, moral majority types who want press objectivity but magically still somehow respect advertisment funded press.

Made with Photoshop legally purchased :rofl:

Nothing that anyone is fond of, yet it continues to happen and the GG movement directly correlates with every doxxing that has occurred on the few journalists in the recent months/weeks. There is no concrete way to prove that GG activists are or aren't responsible for said doxxing (which is not what I am saying), other than "we don't condone it". Glad that everyone is honest and we can take them at their word. However, if the GG "movement" never occurred, the doxxing of said individuals never would have either.

Again, because most people are selfish and care only of their interests. Glenn Beck draws the ire of many, but it is because of his show that his camera man has his job. The Chick Fil A boycott involved many consumers flooding stores. That must have hurt their bottom line :|

Does not condone does not mean does not occur. In addition, they are a byproduct of the GG movement, like it or not.

Their side, your side, doesn't matter. Unfortunately, this entire movement has reached a level of momentum that cannot be stopped any time soon. I believe someone will actually end up hurt or killed before things simmer down.

Perhaps I should have said "FPS" - as hardcore as you are in gaming, you feel the need to be pedantic.

No, it doesn't bother me in the least. Doing harm to those who have zero involvement bothers me. Whether by proxy or not, it is a shitty consequence that was not thought about until too late.

Never said it was below the belt. It is rather sloppy though which will produce unintended results when not properly executed, as in this entire scenario.

Thanks for forming my opinion for me.

I couldn't care less what journalist is dating another and frankly it is no one's business but their own. I have yet to see any collateral damage imposed on the gamer community.

Never assumed that. To take your stance however: "the journos do not condone that activity". And to be real about it, neither side can prove anything, but will continue to feed the trolls.

"Trolls aside" - that is a troll right there. Anyone that actually pays attention to this entire situation knows that. Yet here you are, to bring an obvious troll/troll attempt into the fray.

Or an OBVIOUS troll attempt which appears to have baited many, yourself included.


Both sides make fair points. However, just as in more crucial current events, the negative will shine through and everyone just ends up looking more dumb than when it started.

I take the stance that this entire situation, on ALL sides, started over something that was very petty, has been blown out of proportion and effectively done MORE damage to the entire industry than helped anyone at all.

What the hell does this lady fucking another man have to do with bullying?