Well yeah Vince can actually implement his way and Corny has always been more of a persuader. He's more of a historian than anything.They're both stubborn in their ways though is more of my point.

I get what you mean, but as long as things make sense, Cornette is actually quite liberally minded wrestling-wise. He's seen more in guys that Vince, Bruce Prichard, Kevin Dunn, etc. have just thrown to the side. He's just stubborn when it comes to things not making sense.

Ken <s>Kennedy</s> Anderson was in relatively ok shape in TNA, though it was clear that with the lighter schedule and less whip cracking about the gym, he was a bit softer than he was with Titansports.

Here, it was like someone asked him if he'd be interested in coming back to wrestling two weeks before the NWA tapings happened. It was pretty jarring. I didn't notice Aaron looking so bad.

Also, does Trevor Murdoch not age? He looks EXACTLY the same as his WWE stint about, what, 15 years ago? Wonder if he still has the singing voice.

To be fair, Murdoch looked like he does now 15 years ago too.

ready for the real southpaw wrestling

Best episode yet. Tim Storm and Nick Aldis are brilliant. Thunder Rosa came off really great as well.

The whole thing with Aldis and Tim Storm was amazing. Colt and James Storm was good, and Colt shows a good fire when he's not being as goofy.

Thunder Rosa is my next ex-wife.

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Yeah, I fucking loved the nuance of Storm and Aldis. It was a private conversation caught on camera but they covered their bases so it made sense. Unlike WWE where private conversations are caught on tape with no explanation as to why.

And I loved the Cabana vs Storm match just in a storytelling perspective. You're not a hundred percent sure of everybody's motivation. Why is Aldis seemingly ducking Storm? Why is Eli Drake in love with James Storm?

Also, Ricky what's his name vs Aaron Stephens was fun because Stephens "gets" it. But god is his body is horrific. I'm a firm believer in either being fit or being fat in entertainment. In between is just...I dunno...unsettling. Though, it kind of works with his persona so I'll accept it.

I liked Thunder Rosa's viciousness. Then I liked what's-her-names heelturn (sorry, really bad with remembering names). Was it Marti Belle? She went from a jobber to someone I'm interested in seeing again.

Only downer is I'd be okay with seeing the Dawsons much less. They're overexposed on the show. Not bad by any means but less is more.

Steven's nude tights had me LOL.

Thunder Rosa was trending on twitter last night. She made an impact no doubt. Easily a woman who should be swiped by AEW or WWE in the future. But she has an MMA deal with Combate so perhaps she wants to keep her path. She could be THE woman in NWA.

Yeah, I fucking loved that.

Also, the "SILENCE" thing is very catchphrase-y and WWE-ish. It CAN work and I've chuckled a couple of times. But again, less is more. Use it at the right time and not 15 times during a promo. I'm nitpicking because he's been very good in this new persona. I just love that NWA is the anti-sports entertainment and shit like that is what brings it down.

I get the feeling that Aron Stevens, while I like him a lot, has that issue a lot of guys have where he tries to come off as more natural on the mic than he actually is and the “silence” thing is a crutch. I don’t mind it though. Most guys with that issue would just awkwardly power through the promo.

I like a heel marty bell

I'm in love with Thunder Rosa.

Also, that Spinebuster by Trevor Murdoch was SICK.

And Question Mark is great. I wonder who he is. Josephus I know, but this is great.

And huge up for Eli Drake, who the fans tried to hijack, but proved himself unflappable. Gold star from me on that.

Master Shake... oh, wait. That's The Drizzle. Nevermind.

Heel, face, whatever. I like LOOKING AT Marti Belle ever since TNA once upon a when even while wearing what I think was supposed to be a slutty majorette outfit...? Doesn't matter. The gimmick was wack, but she looked good in it, so it got a pass from me.

Wonder if he still sings? I mean, does he do it in private for people who know him, or is it a thing that just pisses him off and no one is ever to speak of it? It was a stupid thing to try to get him over in Vinceland, but the man had some pipes.

I'm guessing question mark is Jocephus but I'd need to see a comparison of their movements.

Either way that was great lol.

I can see this being a Blue Blazer scenario. Everyone "thinks" it's Jocephus, but then Jocephus appears one day with someone else (like Aron Stephens, since he just recently "quit") under the mask so they can appear at the same time whenever anyone... uh... questions it.

Apparently Austin Idol's fake wrestling school commercials shown on Powerrr are now a legit reality.

How long before we have Tony Faulk's Waffles and Tire Irons?

Anyone pre-order the PPV? I thought about it but I've been buying a lot of wrestling content lately... well MLW SuperFight and AEW Full Gear, plus I re-upped my New Japan World Subscription to get on The ROAD TO WRESTLEKINGDOM. I still have my WWE Network subscription canceled.

I will wait to see a main event announced.

kayfabe cocktail this show is great

NWA took down today's episode after a lot of people were offended when Jim Cornette said "Murdoch is so tough he's the only man I know that could strap a bucket of fried chicken on his back and bike across Ethiopia"... something to that effect.

They took down the episode and have edited it off. I am not sure if it's available yet.

lmfao

guess it is better to see it live, I heard the chicken part of the joke but missed the Africa part, good way to get fired cornett.

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The worst part was that these episodes were taped weeks ago so either nobody at the NWA bothered to check the final tapes after production was done or legit didn't realize until it actually aired what Cornette said was a bit messed up.

Shit. That's bad Corny. I know he meant hungry people but bad choice,

Context should matter though.

Had he said the exactly same thing but instead of chicken said pizza, would it have been anything?

So if we are supposed to be offended by the type of food on Murdoch's back in this fantasy scenario, is it really offensive?

People are calling it racist, but don't seem to care about famine.

Seems out of whack to me.

It's a shame, too.

Because it took away from:

1. The NWA debut of Melina.
2. THUNDER ROSA!
3. A damn good Murdoch vs. Aldis match.
4. The first dive in NWA Powerrr history.
5. And most importantly, the biggest star in the NWA Today. The man that will bring wrestling into the 21st Century.... QUESTION FUCKING MARK!!!!!

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I hate cancel culture so very much

That’s such a great line. Fuck people.

I love Corny. I really do. I agree with him on many aspects of modern wrestling.

That said, they should have Tim Storm take Corny's spot as color commentator. I think, or would hope, that Corny would understand that this is bigger than he is. The return of the NWA could get hamstrung by his continued involvement. And that would utterly suck. I'd rather have NWA Powerrr without Cornette than no NWA Powerrr at all.

NWA probably won't bother doing any meaningful action until Cornette actually costs them a potential tv deal or his third strike, assuming he's on two right now, is soo bad that not even the company can defend keeping him around anymore.

It airs on YouTube. There’s ultimately no one to answer to. They can’t get cancelled.

betting he won't be around the next set of tapings though jim will stay home for 6 months let it blow over. I wonder how his podcast will change will he still do the aew bitch show.

I'm sick of hearing AEW talk. It sucks and I want the real show back.

I’m sure he will. Why would this lead to him changing his podcasts?

I’m kinda with you. But at the same time, even before AEW, he just talked a lot about why wrestling is shit nowadays. All AEW does is supply him with examples.

There isn't anyone that I can think of that is "perfect" to replace him...

Well if Stan Lane is around he is pretty good at commentary... If he wanted a job in wrestling I could see that. But really there isn't many options from the territory era to take over from Cornette. I would like to see NWA to a talent search and a seek out someone who is a natural throwback to the territory days of commentary. Whatever that means.

Man people are stupid. It was just a typical Corny joke. Funny at that.

I'm not saying it isn't funny. It just doesn't age well. It's like the current incarnation of Black Flag choosing to play "Slip it In." A cool song in it's time, but it's misogynistic as fuck and there were some serious conversations about how fucked up it was to hear in 2019 within my circle.

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Here's is a segment with Kamala, a gimmick that has no business in the modern era. And it somehow got MORE racist after he showed up.

And... Cornette is gone.

did nwa get rid of him

He resigned. But likely they asked him to do so before he was fired.

Like I said, it's a shame but I totally understand it. Times change and somethings that were cool at one time aren't necessarily cool later on and vice versa (I doubt folks would blame Sinead O'Connor for ripping up the picture of John Paul II, the patron saint of looking the other way).

His podcast will blow up for this.

I bet it was a white guy that got offended by Cornys joke. No one in Ethiopia will ever even hear it.

Fan, you really struggle to understand nuance. I mean you’re also right, but Cornette is not an idiot and there’s no need to bring that kind of negative attention to the product.

No I understand it, I just think it's bullshit.

I wish all cancers were that easy to cure.

Cornette was actually putting me off watching this, when he's gone I'll check it out :y:

I’m excited to hear him shit on PC culture for an hour and a half.

I don't think there could be a better example of what exactly is wrong with people nowadays.
This is a perfect moment to show you who's worth paying any attention to.

On AEW tonight J.R. made a comment along the lines of that Santana and Ortiz are the "kind of people" used to handcuffs.

I don't see how this is any different than Cornette. Poor choice of words but don't think it was meant to imply racism. Thoughts?

That's likely more of a comment regarding their character than race.

If people weren't so obsessed with defining any and all ambiguity as worst case scenario then we'd get over things like this much quicker.
Also, Jim Cornette is a heel through and through so it baffles me that he can't get away with something so obviously baited for a reaction.

It's also wrestling and not real. Had that line been in a movie no one would have been offended.

Exactly, intent matters. It's why Hogan got in trouble, and rightfully so. He was conveying hate and prejudice with his words. There was no doubt his intent was spewing hate.

No Hogan was just dumb. JR and Corny are just putting talent over.

I don't think it's fair to compare a privately recorded intimate conversation with an obviously contrived wrestling heel commentary.

Nobody should be getting in trouble for things they say at home in private anyway.
That the media feels the need to report on a stolen sex tape is troubling in so many more ways than anything Hulk Hogan said.

Hogan was dumb but he was also the only victim in that story.
If I break into someone's house to steal from them but stumble into a Klan rally surely I'm the one that gets in trouble right?

Is Cornette even a heel in NWA though? Seems like he's using this joke to try and put over the babyface challenger. Theres no heat to get, hes just tone deaf and antiquated.

I wouldn't latch onto the heel part too strongly, it doesn't really matter because it's not a particularly offensive comment in the context anyway and as you said it's designed to put the guy over while making people laugh.

I would have pulled him into an office afterwards and said"you can't be so specific" but I wouldn't get rid of him for it.

It's pretty telling of whoever edits the shows really since they are taped well in advance. Clearly nobody involved in the process noticed and flagged it.

This is the second time in a month where they've had to apologise for something Cornette has said, so it probably has a lot to do with the decision to cut ties. Given his track record there would be plenty more apologies to come.

We live in a ridiculous time

I miss the 90s.

Best post I'll read all day.

Only thing I think about while hearing about this ongoing saga...is Lawler's promo on RAW against Goldust....and no one gave a shit.

It's like calling a builder a rapist for cat calling at a woman.

What the fuck, get a little perspective 2019.

Goddammit that was a great promo.

According to the Observer, NWA gave Cornette the option to just give an apology for his comments and he'd keep his job with no punishments given.

When he refused their offer, they fired him in response.

Good for Jim.

I've read people comparing Cornette's exit to Bill Watts exit from WCW which is beyond laughable.

Ah, the old confusion about the restaurant comments.

Couldn't have been anything to do with the roof piss.

I think people (mainly Jim Ross) has pushed this narrative of Bill Watts statement "only being about not being allowed to not serve blacks in a restaurant he owns" and how it was misunderstood, but when you read the transcript it's WAY worse than that. Plus, it wasn't known then but Wade Keller is gay.

Eh, I've heard worse round the dinner table at Christmas.

According to the Observer Newsletter, seems another reason for Cornette's resignation was the issue of him making an inappropriate comment wasn't the first time it happened on the show.

All the other instances were taken care of beforehand in editing and the line that got him in trouble managed to slip through.

Also seems NWA management was already souring on him due to his anti-AEW comments on his podcast show since they felt it was hurting Powerrr's cross-over appeal with AEW Dark viewers.

Cornette shouldn’t have made the joke. It’s obvious why people don’t like it. Without listening to the Experience yet, you can tell that his main “political focus” in the joke is on the issue of starving people. He’s the sort of guy that would look at an issue like that, the macro causes of it, and then make a resigned joke about it. Like “fuck the world powers for letting those poor people go hungry.” He doesn’t hate them because they’re black. But it wasn’t a very calculated comment.

I feel really bad for Mark Henry and I hope Cornette has reached out personally. But I am kind of annoyed at people focusing on the race aspect.

What's the deal with Mark Henry?

Cornette jumps straight into this on The Experience.
It's a 30 year old famine joke he coined or possibly stole for Big Bubba Rogers.

So as expected it's nothing more than a crass joke about a situation that still hasn't really improved because people don't care 365 days a year until Live Aid is resurrected once a decade or whatever it is.

Brian Last just sounds scared.

Corny compares it to the Starvin Marvin episode of South Park...

I'll say this, I cannot name another celebrity that would dig their heels in quite as firmly as this.

Hmmm.

So an apology for anyone that found it to be outdated and of poor quality, but not for anyone who considers it racist towards black people.

Brian Last points out that actual Ethiopians may well be offended which is a salient point.

Basically "Sorry, not sorry."

Cornette angrily mentions how "hilarious" famine is. That level of sarcasm could be lost in translation...

He sees it as a rod for his detractors to break his back with so he won't kowtow to their demands for a big apology, not that any of them would forgive him anyway.

I hope Vice will keep using him for DSOTR.

Pretty much what I expected.

To be fair he did acknowledge that some people may be genuinely offended by it and he apologised to them too.
He's very specifically not apologising to his ideological enemies, those that he believes are waiting in the wings for these kinds of slip up so they can tear him down for hating modern wrestling.

The Coen Brothers need a character like Cornette in one of their films. Some paranoid throwback but then it turns out he's onto something.

If there is one area where Cornette still has a ton of value to wrestling, its as a historian especially for the territories era.

The 10 Pounds of Gold documentary with him talking about the history of the NWA title and his appearances on Vice's wrestling show were great examples of it.

Its once you start getting into the 90s that his views start to become outdated and his stubbornness to adapt kicks in the more you go towards the present. That same stubbornness is also why his comments while they might have been ok in the 80s, don't hold up in the present and not just because of PC reasons.

I have lost interest in the show due to the Jim Cornette deal turning me off a bit. I am no longer planning on buying the PPV, I bought MLW Opera Cup tickets instead. I will likely catch up tonight with what I have missed and see how it goes. Just kinda turned off to Corgan and Lagana after all of this too.

lets see how they dub cornetts voice tonight, see if they cut out his 40 year old jokes.

wow no matches tonight I think they cut cornett out

They had a match. When I tuned in they had an empty arena match on with Question Mark.

He just seemed really bummed out by it, like a personal friend betrayed him (because Corny has done lots for him).

Eh, I think Cornette handled it as best he could. Shit joke because of the aim, but Cornette isn't exactly the most progressive with his comedy. He tries to be politically, but he likes the immature shit that thinks offense is taken not given and proud to be "edgy." But apologizing for people it genuinely hurt makes sense, given that if you do care about people's feelings in the context of race or world issues, then you should apologize for hurting them. But I do see his point about wrestlers and wrestling personalities kind of hijacking the content in order to disqualify Cornette's opinions on their wrestling. Even if the guy was a racism (which he's obviously actively not), then his opinion about your wrestling might still be perfectly valid.

sounds like for the next 2 weeks they will reshoot matches

Eh... I think I've lost interest.

Wouldn't have been easier to just dub over commentary?