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Evil Vito 02-18-2021 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Damian Rey 2.0 (Post 5427524)
I know they're building towards and eventual falling out between Omega and the Bucks, and the Good Brothers will eventually turn on them along side Omega. But having them screw the Bucks last night makes two stories infinitely more interesting.

I was dreaming of an angle where Santana and Ortiz defend the belts against Jericho and MJF. Jericho starts out the match and gets isolated and beat on for a while, and when he tags MJF, all 3 pull a Flair and start beating the piss outta Jericho, heaving his fat ass out of the inner circle off tv until the summer for a babyface return.

Alas, my dreams have been dashed for now.

I totally would've loved to see that, and I actually think something like that might be how it eventually goes down anyway, but yeah, could've been a big moment for Revolution.

Guessing they want to do Bucks vs. Good Brothers title for title sometime after Revolution which is why they couldn't put the belts on LAX for now but an LAX title run interests me far more.

Evil Vito 02-18-2021 04:12 PM

While I appreciate AEW not blowing through their storylines and turning a long-term angle into 2 weeks, I also think they go too far in the other direction sometimes.

They usually get where they need to go but they sometimes the angle's cooled off by the time they finally get there. Gotta find the happy medium.

Emperor Smeat 02-18-2021 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Conspiracy Victim Vito (Post 5427532)
While I appreciate AEW not blowing through their storylines and turning a long-term angle into 2 weeks, I also think they go too far in the other direction sometimes.

They usually get where they need to go but they sometimes the angle's cooled off by the time they finally get there. Gotta find the happy medium.

Yeah that's been a bit of a problem with some of their long storylines, especially during this coronavirus pandemic era.

Like with the current Sting/Darby vs. Team Taz and Cody vs. Shaq/Jade storylines, they started those feuds way too early for the material they had planned out.

Then you have other notable stuff that got stretched a bit too long like the Omega & Hangman breakup angle because AEW wanted to be able to do it when things returned to normal with the pandemic.

slik 02-18-2021 06:37 PM

I think they need to hire a continuity person who can also help w/ creative to keep things on track, make sure the narratives are always moving along

Damian Rey 2.0 02-18-2021 06:48 PM

The Darby Taz stuff has been fine to me. Darby has ran thru both Starks and Cage, but they keep coming, so now it's a street fight to finally blow off the feud. The only weird part is Cody randomly exiting the story.

Emperor Smeat 02-18-2021 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5427554)
I think they need to hire a continuity person who can also help w/ creative to keep things on track, make sure the narratives are always moving along

Yeah that would help out a lot.

Even hiring just a writer to help out would fix some of their creative issues for storylines and lessen the weekly workload.

Based on the stories of how AEW's creative process works, its pretty much like early era NXT but without the advantage of a monthly taping schedule, longer weekly shows, and a much larger roster to deal with. NXT's solution to those issues since the move to USA Network has been to just keep bloating their creative team which hasn't been effective in fixing the sluggish interest in their brand.

Damian Rey 2.0 02-18-2021 07:06 PM

Is it just Khan doing the creative with input from the wrestlers involved?

erickman 02-18-2021 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Damian Rey 2.0 (Post 5427566)
Is it just Khan doing the creative with input from the wrestlers involved?

i bet don is giving him alot too, i would like to see how much say in aew don has.

Emperor Smeat 02-18-2021 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Damian Rey 2.0 (Post 5427566)
Is it just Khan doing the creative with input from the wrestlers involved?

Yeah its been mostly him writing the scripts and putting together the shows with input from wrestlers and others.

QT Marshall and a couple others help with the writing but not all the time. Think Marshall mostly helps whenever he's not busy with his wrestling school or other stuff.

FTR had an interview recently where they broke down the differences between Vince and Tony Khan's mentality when it comes to writing shows and Khan is a lot more receptive to ideas and help from talent for his shows.

Link to the interview: https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/f...put-gratifying

Damian Rey 2.0 02-18-2021 07:43 PM

Well color me impressed as I've mostly enjoyed the direction of most stories. But yeah. Maybe bring a control guy just to help give ideas and keep things on track.

Jordan 02-18-2021 08:24 PM

They really gotta do something about JR.

Vastardikai 02-18-2021 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Emperor Smeat (Post 5427409)
The lack of Shida recognition by Excaliur was a bit odd since AEW did mention beforehand she would be there to help call the action for Japanese commentary.

Either he was told to only call the action or someone goofed up with the production work and she wasn't supposed to be seen which would make the Aja Kong post-match stuff even odder if so.

Which is actually kind of worse, if you think about it. And I'm not even as invested as hating these folks as other people here.

Mr. Nerfect 02-19-2021 03:11 AM

Lol, people finally coming around on AEW.

Jordan 02-19-2021 10:14 AM

I still think it's much more enjoyable than WWE which for me is completely unwatchable and self degrading to spend time on. But AEW isn't perfect, there does seem to be some issues that definitely start at the top. From the beginning there were many questionable hires and pushes. But when it's hot it's hot. Thinking back, I can't name a perfect product. There have been times for AEW that were close to it for me though. I think one of my biggest issues isn't AEW exclusive but an issue pervading contemporary Wrestling as a whole. The PWG influence. That style while awesome at times kind of rui s everything about working a classic match. It's the equivalent of dropping nuclear bombs constantly. The over use of strikes that should end a match or knock someone out, the poor use of those strikes that never connect at all. The logicless high flying tope's and the like that offensively make no sense at all. The over use of combo spots that leave no room for selling or storytelling beyond "GASP HOLY SHIT". It's amazing to go back to older shows and watch how a wrestler used to work holds and strikes in a way that had actual results.

#1-norm-fan 02-19-2021 10:47 AM

They’ve all lost the plot. The only difference between WWE and AEW is that WWE has the name recognition and a deep back catalogue to make money off of for years to come.

Evil Vito 02-19-2021 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jordan X (Post 5427702)
I still think it's much more enjoyable than WWE which for me is completely unwatchable and self degrading to spend time on. But AEW isn't perfect, there does seem to be some issues that definitely start at the top. From the beginning there were many questionable hires and pushes. But when it's hot it's hot. Thinking back, I can't name a perfect product. There have been times for AEW that were close to it for me though.

Agreed on all of this. For me, there have been meh episodes of Dynamite but I don't ever feel like it was a total time waste. And instances of multiple meh episodes in a row has been few and far between. The worst period for me was probably those 5-6 weeks they rushed to film in one weekend in QT Marshall's gym which started OK but got old fast, but in fairness it was a skeleton crew as that was right as COVID popped off in the US and basically everyone was home.

But the very real prospect of a great show is enough to keep me going, and even the so-so episodes usually have a banger of a match somewhere in there. I find way much more enjoyable about the product than not.

But nah not being 100% sold on everything AEW does = "cracks showing, people coming around on AEW" :roll:

Evil Vito 02-19-2021 10:50 AM

I do miss proper crowds though. One year ago today was probably the best episode of Dynamite to date (well, except the Brodie tribute ep but that was for sentimental reasons). Great stuff all around and the crowd was red hot.

http://www.profightdb.com/cards/aew/...-20-31627.html

xrodmuc316 02-19-2021 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 5427707)
They’ve all lost the plot. The only difference between WWE and AEW is that WWE has the name recognition and a deep back catalogue to make money off of for years to come.

WWE has plots, but they are usually abandoned for no rhyme or reason, based on one man's whims.

AEW has no plot, they have spots. They hold ropes for their opponents to balance, they stand around for long periods of time waiting for the next flip, and they fall down for no reason when it's time for somebody else's spot.

slik 02-19-2021 06:17 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tony Khan Promoted By The Jacksonville Jaguars <a href="https://t.co/EWxoWKvxkC">https://t.co/EWxoWKvxkC</a></p>&mdash; WrestlingINC.com (@WrestlingInc) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestlingInc/status/1362863917475655684?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 19, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Emperor Smeat 02-19-2021 07:17 PM

More details regarding the creative issues between AEW/Impact and Sammy Guevara.

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Originally Posted by Observer
Following his on-screen departure from the Inner Circle on Dynamite, the AEW standout arrived in Nashville, TN, to work the February 9-11 Impact tapings to begin an angle. However, that didn't happen due to a disgreement about what he would be doing.

What happened regarding that situation is still unclear depending on what side is telling the story. Bryan Alvarez discussed the situation on Friday's Wrestling Observer Live with some information from people close to Guevara.

One story Meltzer could not confirm in the newsletter was that Guevara was set to be part of a six man tag on this Tuesday's show where the winning team would move on to a three way match for an X-Division title shot. That match would have paired him with Ace Austin and Chris Bey against Willie Mack, Josh Alexander and Trey Miguel. Austin and Bey will team with Black Taurus instead.

Alvarez's sources said they indeed wanted Guevara to be in tag matches. However, Guevara didn't think that made sense because one of the points of leaving The Inner Circle was to go out on his own.

According to Meltzer's sources, Guevara reportedly suggested winning the X-Division title before returning to AEW with it. He would never lose the title and it would then be stripped at some point and put up for grabs in a tournament.

Alvarez's sources said Guevara did have an idea about winning the title, but it didn't involve not losing the title or taking it to AEW. At that point, Impact wasn't wasn't going for any of his ideas and it was a "their way or the highway" type situation.

Meltzer reported that Guevara was going to win three matches at the tapings, adding that Chris Jericho and Don Callis came up with the initial angle and whatever happened made them look bad. Guevara was only scheduled for that set of tapings.

Alvarez's sources said he was never going to win three matches. The idea was that he would lose some matches and get beaten down, eventually winning and then get beaten down again.

Meltzer said, "Impact was really mad about AEW sending talent over, putting plans in place and then the talent wouldn’t do what was planned. Everything appears to be smoothed over now, but there are those in Impact who said that the company was not happy at first with how it went down and could have impacted relationships."

Alvarez's sources said Guevara called someone in AEW (he presumed Tony Khan) to discuss what was happening and expressed his opinions about the situation.

If the stuff about Sammy wanted to win the X-Division belt is true, then I can see why Impact was upset since that would have messed up their current plans for the belt and possibly the direction of Trey Miguel's push.

erickman 02-19-2021 07:53 PM

yeah impact have better x div wrestlers then sammy, now if he won the belt then trey took it from him in the end, that would work.

Emperor Smeat 02-19-2021 11:08 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just talked to Mr. Funk &amp; he’s doing okay. He just wanted to wish <a href="https://twitter.com/JonMoxley?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JonMoxley</a> &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/KennyOmegamanX?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@KennyOmegamanX</a> the best of luck in their exploding barbed wire match. He says the match is a good way for <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@aew</a> to wake up Vince with a good kick in his ass. He wants you to know he’s pulling for you!</p>&mdash; Terry Funk (@TheDirtyFunker) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheDirtyFunker/status/1362843813564325889?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 19, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

weather vane 02-20-2021 02:08 AM

Why doesn’t Sting dye his fucking hair? How hard is that?

Volare 02-20-2021 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Emperor Smeat (Post 5427897)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just talked to Mr. Funk &amp; he’s doing okay. He just wanted to wish <a href="https://twitter.com/JonMoxley?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JonMoxley</a> &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/KennyOmegamanX?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@KennyOmegamanX</a> the best of luck in their exploding barbed wire match. He says the match is a good way for <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@aew</a> to wake up Vince with a good kick in his ass. He wants you to know he’s pulling for you!</p>&mdash; Terry Funk (@TheDirtyFunker) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheDirtyFunker/status/1362843813564325889?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 19, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Fuck yes!

Mr. Nerfect 02-20-2021 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 5427707)
They’ve all lost the plot. The only difference between WWE and AEW is that WWE has the name recognition and a deep back catalogue to make money off of for years to come.

Yes. The products are very similar. The psychology in AEW is more bush league and their approach to production is more 2005 WWE than 2020 WWE, but they’re very similar.

Volare 02-20-2021 09:48 PM

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RP 02-20-2021 10:23 PM

I want to workout in the bottom of her dirty tampon trash

owenbunny 02-21-2021 10:09 PM

AEW should recreate the Ambrose/Jericho feud


https://www.wwe.com/f/styles/wwe_16_...ed2c4e94c7.jpg

Evil Vito 02-22-2021 03:02 PM

Anna Jay out for 6-12 months following shoulder surgery. Damn that blows.

Mr. Nerfect 02-22-2021 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by owenbunny (Post 5428454)
AEW should recreate the Ambrose/Jericho feud


https://www.wwe.com/f/styles/wwe_16_...ed2c4e94c7.jpg

They did. Moxley got an eye-patch and was faking, because it’s good strategy to pretend to be blind. Instead of a pot plant they got one of Shad’s cars. Mox did a zany “I’m going to be a bad guy...just kidding” promo that didn’t make any sense.

Mr. Nerfect 02-22-2021 03:19 PM

Am I the only one who doesn’t rate Anna Jay. She’s not a bad looking girl by any stretch, but her look is pretty common over here. If you go onto Tinder here, 2/3 girls look like Anna Jay. Sucks she got her though. Wonder if it’s because she’s inexperienced as shit?

fundiddle 02-22-2021 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5428595)
Am I the only one who doesn’t rate Anna Jay. She’s not a bad looking girl by any stretch, but her look is pretty common over here. If you go onto Tinder here, 2/3 girls look like Anna Jay. Sucks she got her though. Wonder if it’s because she’s inexperienced as shit?

i bet you get all kinds of bot pussy

xrodmuc316 02-22-2021 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5428594)
They did. Moxley got an eye-patch and was faking, because it’s good strategy to pretend to be blind. Instead of a pot plant they got one of Shad’s cars. Mox did a zany “I’m going to be a bad guy...just kidding” promo that didn’t make any sense.

A.K.A. Goofy Shit! :rofl:

slik 02-22-2021 05:07 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BreakingNews?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BreakingNews</a><br>Anna Jay was injured training &amp; can’t compete tonight. Anna requires shoulder surgery &amp; is expected to miss 6-12 months. She’s replaced in the Tournament by alternate <a href="https://twitter.com/Madi_Wrenkowski?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Madi_Wrenkowski</a>, a student &amp; protege of <a href="https://twitter.com/thunderrosa22?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@thunderrosa22</a>. Watch tonight 7/6c <a href="https://t.co/lBSV4sbfpB">https://t.co/lBSV4sbfpB</a> <a href="https://t.co/QESqn6HWDk">pic.twitter.com/QESqn6HWDk</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1363938867171229701?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sting Fan 02-22-2021 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Conspiracy Victim Vito (Post 5427712)
I do miss proper crowds though. One year ago today was probably the best episode of Dynamite to date (well, except the Brodie tribute ep but that was for sentimental reasons). Great stuff all around and the crowd was red hot.

http://www.profightdb.com/cards/aew/...-20-31627.html

I honestly think this is a bigger factor than maybe were all giving it credit for. I was watching some old PPVs a week or so ago and having the crowd noise was extremely jarring but in a good way.

A hot crowd covers sooo many sins in my mind, this goes for both companies.

Volare 02-22-2021 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5428616)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BreakingNews?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BreakingNews</a><br>Anna Jay was injured training &amp; can’t compete tonight. Anna requires shoulder surgery &amp; is expected to miss 6-12 months. She’s replaced in the Tournament by alternate <a href="https://twitter.com/Madi_Wrenkowski?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Madi_Wrenkowski</a>, a student &amp; protege of <a href="https://twitter.com/thunderrosa22?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@thunderrosa22</a>. Watch tonight 7/6c <a href="https://t.co/lBSV4sbfpB">https://t.co/lBSV4sbfpB</a> <a href="https://t.co/QESqn6HWDk">pic.twitter.com/QESqn6HWDk</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1363938867171229701?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!

RP 02-22-2021 06:57 PM

I dont even want to watch AEW anymore.

Well there's still John Silver.

Evil Vito 02-22-2021 07:05 PM

Tourney time. Mmmmm Tay Conti

Evil Vito 02-22-2021 07:12 PM

Tay’s ass is in full force tonight. Perfect gear for her.

Emperor Smeat 02-22-2021 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5428616)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BreakingNews?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BreakingNews</a><br>Anna Jay was injured training &amp; can’t compete tonight. Anna requires shoulder surgery &amp; is expected to miss 6-12 months. She’s replaced in the Tournament by alternate <a href="https://twitter.com/Madi_Wrenkowski?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Madi_Wrenkowski</a>, a student &amp; protege of <a href="https://twitter.com/thunderrosa22?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@thunderrosa22</a>. Watch tonight 7/6c <a href="https://t.co/lBSV4sbfpB">https://t.co/lBSV4sbfpB</a> <a href="https://t.co/QESqn6HWDk">pic.twitter.com/QESqn6HWDk</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1363938867171229701?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The first sound Anna Jay will hear when she wakes up from surgery. <a href="https://twitter.com/annajay___?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@annajay___</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/SilverNumber1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SilverNumber1</a> <a href="https://t.co/iKKa9dRxlV">pic.twitter.com/iKKa9dRxlV</a></p>&mdash; Kyle L. Villarama (@KyleLVillarama) <a href="https://twitter.com/KyleLVillarama/status/1363947751302594562?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


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