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slik 01-02-2019 09:57 AM

Someone on twitter pointed out anything could happen really, using the example that in 1982 if you told wrestling fans that only six years later the territories would be dead and there'd be one really popular wrestling organization instead no one would have believed it.

slik 01-02-2019 10:05 AM

(sorry 4 triple post)

Per Rajah.com and Twitter user Rovert


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* TBS/TNT are some of the potential channels to air AEW

* Khan is investing 100 million to get AEW started

* Jim Ross will be involved both backstage and on-camera

* Sports Agent Barry Bloom is helping recruit talent

* Goldberg, one of Bloom's clients, could do a match or two for AEW

* DDP potentially taking on some sort of role backstage

* Chris Jericho also potentially involved in some capacity

Big Poppa Pauly 01-02-2019 10:06 AM

Not keen on JR being involved on camera, but otherwise, everything I've read is exciting.

erickman 01-02-2019 01:16 PM

that would be funny if tbs got wrestling again, aol dumbasses selling wcw for so cheap, I hope they also make a 6:05 Saturday wrestling show to go with there Tuesday show.

Simple Fan 01-02-2019 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Vastardikai (Post 5209889)
I mentioned this in a Facebook Group, but if AEW is to be successful, I feel like they need their top talents to have their own Youtube Channels, like "Being the Elite" or "Ten Pounds of Gold." Then you have a Channel like "AEW Event Center" that shows highlights of the various smaller channels. And you do the small shows on Twitch and have the bigger shows on whatever iPPV thing is to maximize profits.

Agree, Cody already has a channel and SCU could easily spinoff from BTE. I just hope thier TV show is as good as BTE.

Emperor Smeat 01-02-2019 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5210195)
(sorry 4 triple post)

Per Rajah.com and Twitter user Rovert

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* TBS/TNT are some of the potential channels to air AEW

Even though Ted Turner has no real interest in wrestling anymore, AEW landing there likely will cause WWE to react the most considering those networks past history with wrestling and how big of a symbolic move that would be (TNT).

Loose Cannon 01-02-2019 03:44 PM

exciting news for sure. I just don't know it's ever going to be the Monday Night War thing you guys are hoping for. The WWE isn't setting the tv world on fire right now. I think wrestling in general has run it's course on tv and will just have a very niche audience going forward. Really just like everything else.

I just hope it doesn't get stuck on some random channel on a horrible night and time slot. But then again is the majority of house holds even watching TV as it airs anymore? seems like binge watching is the way everyone wants to do it now.

Splaya 01-02-2019 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon (Post 5210301)
exciting news for sure. I just don't know it's ever going to be the Monday Night War thing you guys are hoping for. The WWE isn't setting the tv world on fire right now. I think wrestling in general has run it's course on tv and will just have a very niche audience going forward. Really just like everything else.

I just hope it doesn't get stuck on some random channel on a horrible night and time slot. But then again is the majority of house holds even watching TV as it airs anymore? seems like binge watching is the way everyone wants to do it now.

I do not necessarily want the Monday Night Wars aspect to return, at least initially. Down the line, maybe. But I just want AEW to get under Vince's skin by a little. The minute he sees that AEW is a threat will be the minute that the WWE product will begin to change for the better. It will more than likely become more edgier than what we have been used to lately. If Vince feels threatened in any capacity, he will do his best to kill AEW. Which if AEW takes off and he doesn't realize this for a year, he won't be able to kill it and then the rivalry can take off.

ClockShot 01-02-2019 05:05 PM

Turner networks eh?

That's a really good sign for TV. If they were going to look for something like AXS or beIN, that's some trouble.

Simple Fan 01-02-2019 05:33 PM

Could see it being on WGN seeing as they did All In's pre show.

erickman 01-02-2019 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Simple Fan (Post 5210378)
Could see it being on WGN seeing as they did All In's pre show.

hope not wgn is harder to get

Mr. Nerfect 01-02-2019 10:41 PM

Britt Baker has signed. She’s done a match or two in WWE.

Mr. Nerfect 01-02-2019 10:45 PM

I did a huge specific type-up, but I lost it. Anyway, as it pertains to AJ Styles, they are obviously going to bend over backwards to try and keep him. We don’t know how happy he is or isn’t it how serious these AEW offers are going to be. With hundreds of millions being sunk in, we are in a post-needing Vince world. Not a post-Vince world, mind you; but you can potentially make millions without signing with WWE. That changes everything.

SlickyTrickyDamon 01-02-2019 10:45 PM

Baker is Adam Cole's Baybay.

No way AJ leaves. He's been pushed very well and paid. WWE video game cover. No way AEW could match that.

Mr. Nerfect 01-02-2019 10:48 PM

With TV deals: I imagine AXS and WGN America have probably made offers. They can be used to leverage places like the CW Network, which can be used to leverage the end goal, which I imagine has always been TNT or TBS. They’ve got some reputable people involved, and TNT has MMA starting up on the network soon. I think there’s a chance they could get it.

Mr. Nerfect 01-02-2019 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon (Post 5210460)
Baker is Adam Cole's Baybay.

No way AJ leaves. He's been pushed very well and paid. WWE video game cover. No way AEW could match that.

Pushed well does not equate to happiness. AJ asked to drop the WWE Title. He’s getting older and more banged up. It’s very likely he will stay, but if Khan is seriously trying to make a statement, he is obviously going to try and snatch the biggest active merch-mover and video game cover star. The perception of that would pay for itself, and it’d be tremendously useful when negotiating TV and their own merchandising deals.

At some point that WWE salary is going to be capped. Khan is sinking millions into this. It would be a daring move on Styles’ part, but it’s not impossible. A majorly reduced schedule, artistic freedom and guaranteed millions. It’s not something to sneeze at and you’d take an offer from this group pretty seriously.

Mr. Nerfect 01-02-2019 10:55 PM

Like, if Chris Jericho, Jim Ross and Tony Khan sat opposite me and promised to pay me $5 million over 5 years, regardless of what happens with this promotion, I’d definitely consider going against Vince. Especially at 42 when I am already considering retirement.

Simple Fan 01-02-2019 10:57 PM

Can't wait until this gets started and Noid hates it.

SlickyTrickyDamon 01-02-2019 11:07 PM

I'm sure success and failure relies on who signs ELI DRAKE

Simple Fan 01-02-2019 11:32 PM

Doesn't matter if its a success or not Noid won't like it. Especially if it's similar to BTE I feel. Eli Drake is locked up with Impact for now though so don't worry.

Mr. Nerfect 01-02-2019 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Simple Fan (Post 5210465)
Can't wait until this gets started and Noid hates it.

You’re such a sooky little nationalist scumbag. Don’t sully this thread with your pettiness and cunty assumptions.

Mr. Nerfect 01-02-2019 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon (Post 5210467)
I'm sure success and failure relies on who signs ELI DRAKE

Absolutely. If WWE gets him then All Elite has got a much better chance of success.

xrodmuc316 01-02-2019 11:37 PM

I like how everybody keeps talking about creative freedom.

You honestly think all these guys are just gonna be able to do whatever they want?

There are no details at this point, but the fact that they are selling AEW merch at prowrestlingtees suggest it is gonna be a new Indy promotion, not a new wrestling company.

The more I think about it, the more it feels like isn't really gonna be some new big thing.

It's one thing to put on a big show twice a year, btw are they going to truly draw people in week after week.

Either they have to be very good at being very different than WWE, or they will run the same course as TNA with an older roster.

You can't just throw a bunch of money into a wrestling company and assume it is going to be good and make money.

WCW made an actual profit maybe 2 or 3 years only, and that was back when there were only maybe 60 cable channels. And ultimately throwing a bunch of money into gave a short term return, but then it ended up losing more then it ever had.

AEW will be cool for a bit, then unless they really catch fire with a few things, it will just end up being to much to sustain, especially if they are giving multi million dollar guarantees to a roster full of top Indy guys.

In the end, hopefully it will push WWE to work harder instead of just sitting on their ass knowing they are guaranteed to turn a huge profit every year for the next 5 years no matter what they do.

Mr. Nerfect 01-02-2019 11:51 PM

Creative freedom doesn’t mean do whatever you want. I think people are just talking about being able to talk like a normal human being or cut genuine promos.

Lol, the Khans could probably just buy ProWrestlingTees and use that as a starting base for their merchandise. The Bucks have that deal with Hot Topic, don’t they? This is all part of those ironing out things to set up your revenue streams.

What are they going to be marketed as? Are they real wrestling making a comeback? Are they a new wave? Are going to use stars from the past or focus on guys <40? All this remains to be seen, and their platform and marketing is going to determine whether they can get a decent audience in. But the Khans could literally buy television if they wanted to. They don’t want to do that, and they won’t need to, but they could.

I don’t think people really appreciate just how much money might actually be going into this, and how self-sustaining this could be.

Mr. Nerfect 01-03-2019 12:20 AM

Like, this isn't just a few million to start up a wrestling company, buy a wrestling ring, lock a few people under contract and then hope it somehow gets over and profits. If the rumors of $100 million are true, then that is going to be enough stimulation to not only pay talent, but cover a lot of overhead without even factoring in television rights, ticket prices and merchandising. Let's say no one watches, but they still get a one-year deal for $65 million. That more than covers what WWE's production costs would be for a year (I saw something that your average Raw costs $885,000 to produce). Their overhead is not going to be that high. But assuming it was, that still leaves them with almost $20 million to pay talent, which is only $365,000 a week, but says nothing about the money Khan is going to sink into it and doesn't account for any other revenue streams or licencing deals.

If they hypothetically made AJ Styles an offer of $2 million a year, that's about $38,500 a year. Let's say they just round it up to $2.08 million a year and call it $40,000. That's over 9 AJ Styleses they can afford. But let's just say we get a roster of 30 people -- you can get $12,000 a week, on average, to talent, which means the average pay could be about $624,000 per year quite comfortably, which is really meaty without being insane. Shave that down to $500,000 and you've got more than enough money left over to make AJ Styles that offer.

That's of course grossly oversimplified, but these guys can pay to play. $100 million, if that is the right figure, is an insane amount of money -- and there's potentially more where that came from, and revenue streams I haven't even mentioned. YouTube is potentially a big one. Action figures and other licencing deals to get the AEW brand into shopping centers. WWE have led the way with reality shows too. It's possible that Brandi Rhodes could spin-off into her own cooking show or whatever. Doesn't she do something like that?

If they end up getting into bed with Turner, would it be so surreal to see Tuesday Night Dynamite on TNT, Cooking with Brandi and something zany with Cody and The Bucks on Adult Swim? That's all going to help people going to their shows, which is going to hopefully allow them to sustain themselves even more.

Heisenberg 01-03-2019 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by erickman (Post 5210183)
wish they would get someone like dutch to help them out

Like Dutch Van Der Linde or Mantell?

erickman 01-03-2019 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg (Post 5210491)
Like Dutch Van Der Linde or Mantell?

mantell

Tom Guycott 01-03-2019 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon (Post 5210467)
I'm sure success and failure relies on who signs ELI DRAKE

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5210475)
Absolutely. If WWE gets him then All Elite has got a much better chance of success.

As funny as this is, and as much as I would like to pile on in shitting on Eli Drake being terrible, the problem is that WWE might actually rehab the guy into not being nearly as awful, and while the initial joke would work, the end result might be him being a big star that nobody saw coming and not Dollar Store Rocky Maivia.

Mr. Nerfect 01-03-2019 12:44 AM

They probably would reign in some of the shit that makes me absolutely despise him. Things might "click" there. But I still wouldn't watch him because he offends me so much for looking like the pervy uncle you have that works as a stripper but ends up needing to lick the cream off himself because women generally find him way too depressing.

Tom Guycott 01-03-2019 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Emperor Smeat (Post 5210266)
Even though Ted Turner has no real interest in wrestling anymore, AEW landing there likely will cause WWE to react the most considering those networks past history with wrestling and how big of a symbolic move that would be (TNT).

WWE's reaction would be to release another season of Southpaw Regional Wrestling.

Mr. Nerfect 01-03-2019 12:51 AM

I think I touched on this earlier, but it may have been in my giant post that I lost before posting: Landing TNT is not only a huge thing because of how much exposure Turner's networks have, but it would also have that panache of being a return to the specific platform. There's potential nostalgia in that, and it could really help them.

People are cutting cable, yeah? But cable wants to stay in the game, at least for the foreseeable future. There are moves within these conglomerates to move towards digital and on-demand services, but if the idea is to make cable a thing that people keep and still have a use for and won't cut just yet, then having something like wrestling is really good:

* A lot of the people who watch are over 50, so they're more likely to have cable in the first place.

* There is nostalgia for those times.

Wrestling coming back to TNT and being that thing where people have a few beers and some pizza on a weeknight as they watch people beat each other up might have some sort of appeal that goes beyond what the actual brand does if it were to appear on even another reputable network. It might actually be able to mine something subterranean in people that makes them go "Hey, remember when we used to watch wrestling?" "Yeah, lol." "Well there's a new wrestling that isn't like that shitty WWF stuff." "Fuck yeah, man. Let's hang out and watch it." Like not in massive numbers or anything, but I think it's a good fit.

Fignuts 01-03-2019 12:52 AM

Good. Love that shit.

Simple Fan 01-03-2019 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5210474)
You’re such a sooky little nationalist scumbag. Don’t sully this thread with your pettiness and cunty assumptions.

I'm not trying to sullly the thread. I'll probably support the promotion more than you. I just know you'll get all your fantasies in your head and then be disappointed when something else happens. If it's anything like BTE you'll hate it for sure.

Mr. Nerfect 01-03-2019 02:45 AM

Shut up, Simple. Stick to TNA and animal porn.

RaginRonic 01-03-2019 07:19 AM

If this does indeed become reality, what's the chance that Khan would maybe talk to Tony Schiavone about doing play-by-play?

That wouldn't shock me that much to hear.

=P

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#1-norm-fan 01-03-2019 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Simple Fan (Post 5210545)
If it's anything like BTE you'll hate it for sure.

Isn’t BTE their YouTube sketch comedy show? Of course he’d hate a wrestling promotion if it was like that? Why wouldn’t he?

Simple Fan 01-03-2019 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5210546)
Shut up, Simple. Stick to TNA and animal porn.

I watch more wrestling than just Impact. Not sure where the animal porn is coming from but its a better insult than calling a nationalist a nationalist.

Simple Fan 01-03-2019 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 5210577)
Isn’t BTE their YouTube sketch comedy show? Of course he’d hate a wrestling promotion if it was like that? Why wouldn’t he?

You could call it a scetch comedy show but its not always comedy and they use it to push storylines and big announcements like this. If Cody and the Bucks are booking the show its not to much of a stretch to think their show would be in the same light as BTE only on a bigger scale with wrestling involved.

erickman 01-03-2019 12:35 PM

what would goldberg do for them would he be management storywise


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