ALL-IN / Can Cody Rhodes draw 10 people?
 

Let's talk about this.

Loose Cannon

How many people does your average ROH show get?

Having said that, 10k is a big ask for any non-WWE show in the US. But it doesn't hurt to at least try, because if they get even half of that they'll make money with all the merch, signings, and all the other stuff that comes with the territory of indy wrestling.

There's very little risk involved for them to try, and if they run this thing in a wrestling hotbed I can't see them not getting 4 or 5k.

1,105. It is going up. That being said, there are a lot of people who think this is a blatant lie and that ROH very obviously lies about selling out venues and inflates their numbers.

See, I think it's a mistake. Obviously not to try and get to 10,000 somehow, but even if the show is profitable (and once you've paid for the venue you want to hope that it is profitable), I think when you say "We're going to build it and they will come," and then they don't come, it makes you look like an idiot.

Consciously or not, if Cody and The Bucks can't do this, it's going to affect people's perceptions of them, and people can't always control their own perceptions, or even identify them.

I believe so given the time they have to promote it. Also depends on where its happening. Kind of feels like a true NWO Souled Out type deal with Bullet Club actually footing the bill.

Meh, to each their own. It won't impact my perception of them one way or another. They're willing to fork over the cash to take a chance on a lofty goal. Personally, I'd give them credit for trying.

I suck at doing polls -- I wanted to include an option that says "They won't even get to 5,000." I do think they could be able to get there with some sort of galvanized effort and trying to make it sound like it's a part of history and like they're "sticking it to the man." I would be surprised if they can get more than 5,800. That's the magic number where I'll draw the line and say that I'm impressed.

If they run it after Bryan hits free agency and get him booked for the show, that won't hurt their cause.

It won't hurt, but even then -- 10,000 people? In one city? Headlined by Cody Rhodes?

Estimates place Cow Palace attendance for Cody at 2,500-3,000.

I'd have to think they're gonna try to run the show in a known wrestling hotbed. That alone will give them a nice jumpstart.

New Japan drew less than 2,500 for their American shows.

1105 people

It's also going to mean that they are going to have to spend a lot more money and will need to actually get closer to achieving the goal.

Can Cody? Lol no. Can a show? Yeah.

What would be on this show? I can't think of anything that isn't already on them and only draws about a quarter of that.

In a convention center, I don't think 10,000 is the goal though. Of course depending on the set and the actul size of the arena 10,000 might not even be possible. NJPW played it safe, this is kind of testing the market to see if them and ROH could do bigger arenas, which I believe is Cody's thinking.

Yeah, the goal might not even be 10,000. It's likely just a marketing ploy to get more than they usually do.

Depends on his art skills obviously.

If it was WM weekend, in the WM city, maybe.

Probably not otherwise.

I think with the right card, they can do it. It won't be easy, obviously, but I think right now more than anytime in the past 30 years is the best time to try something like this.

Are they looking outside the US? I read somewhere they were looking at London.

I could see it working in the UK as we don't get major shows so people would travel for it more than in the US where there a lot more shows to pick and choose from.

Cody doesn't have the power to draw alone, but a packed, high profile well promoted show? Could that draw around the same numbers as a Blackburn Rovers game?

Probably.

Getting even half (paid or not) is going to be really tough but if Cody manages to at least come close or break ROH's record, it would be a pretty big consolation prize.

ROH's current record is around 3500 for attendance and required being on Mania week to make it happen. Their non-Mania week record is around 2500 but required NJPW lending talent to make it happen.

Meltzer mentioned recently nobody outside of WWE has managed to hit the 10k number for a show since 1999-2000 WCW and even they needed to paper the numbers to make it happen for their later shows.

Looking through some attendance numbers, the highest drawing non WWE or TNA (because jesus christ they were popular here at one point) this decade was a sell out ICW show with 6,100 last year. And that had Kurt Angle headlining.

Yeah, but that was Scotland.

For most significant centres of population, Scotland is a dick to get to (the M6 can fuck off).

As much as I hate everything going to London, travelling to London is much easier for most people.

Lol Cody Rhodes

I'm sorry, what's going on?

Cody and The Young Bucks are apparently trying to fill a 10,000 seat building.

I do think they're working. I don't like The Young Bucks and have soured on Cody recently, but I can at least admit they have worked out a thing where they can survive without the WWE, and they've sold that story to Meltzer and the marks, who legitimately think they are millionaires and the hottest property in all of wrestling (Dave cannot shut up about those Hot Topic shirts).

But occasionally people start believing the work -- especially when they are prone to being marks themselves, as a lot of people in the business seem to be for each other. I can totally see them actually thinking they can draw.

Here's what doesn't make sense to me as it pertains to this being a work (and I might be thinking too old-school with this): Floating the idea is going to make people want to see you try. If you know you can't do it, then why put that idea into people's heads so they can see you fail and measure, exactly, your worth to the head. Because they made it about that. Their caveat has been "they still need ROH's permission," so are they going to heel ROH and say that their bosses won't let them be stars? That sounds dumb.

They could get 10,000 in the right town and at the right time, because I could see their efforts going a bit "viral" and people going "ironically" or to stick it to WWE because they are so "cool".....

http://www.profightdb.com/img/wrestl...b6blackman.jpg

No way, WWE can't even draw 10000 in most placed with John Cena, how in the fuck would CODY and The Bucks draw more?

Apparently Meltzer said they couldn't put 10,000 people in an arena on twitter or something and I guess they took that personally.

I think if they marketed it correctly and got some stars to sign on, they could do it. But if it's just Cody and the Young Bucks main-eventing here, it might be tough.

ok thanks for posting. i didn't know what to compare that number to. fuck 3500 is the record? was this Chicago? that seems so low. yeah maybe 10K isn't doable lol

Ftr that is their actual 2017 average

To be fair they probably could have drawn more for the Chicago show if roh ran a bigger venue. If I recall tickets sold out in like a week.

I agree

I would pay 10 dollars to see Cody wrestler if he was in my area.

I saw two indy shows headlined by Cody this year. Cody/Ricochet and Cody/Mysterio. Fun times.

If they promise free food that might help

Free hookers and blow

I don't think that's because people are lined up around the block though. I think that's just the same guys going.

There's a term in politics when you start believing you can achieve the promises you should never make. I've forgotten what it is. But I do wonder if Cody and The Young Bucks are starting to believe that they are actually draws on their own?

Lakeland, Florida since it was during this year's Mania week. The Chicago Global Wars show owns the non-Mania record.

I'll allow it.

Free Hat and I'm there.

Also will there be a Brandi Rhodes Bang Blow?

Confabulation?

That Blackman post made me think Xero was back

Put Cody against Blackman and they'll do 20k.

According to the Observer, Cody and the Young Bucks are currently down to Chicago and Southern California as the host of their attempt at a 10k show. A few other potential locations were dropped due to traveling and cost reasons.

Also recently had a meeting in Dallas regarding potential sponsors to get for this show.

What jerks for even trying... Right Noid?

I don't think they're jerks for trying. I think they're jerks for thinking that they're there. Seriously think they might be marks for themselves. Hey, if they do it, I will have to eat my words.

You know what, I think that's it.

The wrestling business isn't a place for humility. Guys like The Rock and John Cena didn't get to where they are by saying "Gee golly, I don't think we could sell 10,000 seats, fellas!"

It's good that they have that kind of confidence. Shows they have drive, and a commitment to be the best.

Hahaha, The Rock and John Cena also knew how to be stars in professional wrestling.

If Rhodes could draw 10,000 people, he'd still be in the WWE.

Moron.

Only way Cody, et al draw 10k is if they

A. somehow manage to get Punk to wrestle Cody and put the Bucks against a big up and coming team like the Ugly Ducklings.

Or B. Get a piece of paper and a lot of pencils.

Yeah what pieces of shit those other fucking losers are, right Noid? Such punks, with their 6 figure incomes. What a bunch of failures.

C. live sex celebration with Brandi Rhodes

What are you like 12 years old?

That shit supposed to be funny?

:|

I've seen some rumblings that Cody and the Bucks might have Jericho and Rey on board for doing this with them. Does that change anyones views?

Nope. There best bet is to do it the day before a Wrestlemania in a smaller arena in the same city. Otherwise, I see no chance of it happening. Not enough smart fans in one given area, nor will there be enough big names to draw that many to travel miles to get there....

There were probably like 2,000-3,000 people at the show I went to in August that had Cody/Rey headlining and Jericho doing an autograph signing/photo op. The stadium was like an hour and a half outside of Manhattan.

I'd say that's a good start if their plan is to hold the event in a proper wrestling hotbed.

I didn't say they were failures. I just said they weren't stars. I don't consider Heath Slater a failure, but I bet more people watch his segments with Rhyno on Raw than see a Young Bucks match.

Yeah, but these guys are basically challenging themselves, and thats never a bad thing. Whether you think they can do it or not, you can't deny its got people talking about them. Even if they don't make 10,000 they won't look bad as long as the show is good enough which I'm sure it will be. Hell, if it gets good enough reviews they can use that to promote it next year for another try.

Not really. 34,995 paid for the Tokyo Dome for Jericho's first match outside the WWE in 18 years. Compare this to 26,192 in 2017. That's an increase of 8,803, also factoring in a fantastic year for New Japan, in general, for one of the biggest shows of the wrestling calendar. I think they got something like 25,000 new subscriptions. That's a lot different from travel, tickets, accommodation, etc. Unless they are trying to bring in a local crowd.

I don't think people care as much as they think. I'm sure they can get a few thousand, but Jericho doing special appearances like this is going to lose its luster pretty quick -- the law of diminishing returns, etc. Rey is a legend too, but it's not like he was packing out 10,000 for WCPW or whatever.

They're looking at Chicago. I imagine they will try to get Punk. Even so, I am actually skeptical. I wouldn't be shocked if they achieved it, but how much is CM Punk wrestling on his own really worth? And then is it really Cody and The Bucks drawing that crowd? They can probably make a profit if they manage to get it on a subscription network and people sign up to see the Punk return.

If they get Punk in Chicago, they should get the 10,000.

It seems more likely. I wouldn't be shocked if that happens. It wouldn't surprise me if they get to 8,500 though. "Should" is the right word, but I don't think it's a given.

Yeah depending on costs, can legit see them try again next year if they get close to 10k. The extra time for planning and lessons learned would be huge advantages for the potential next show.

If it ends up as a big bust, just means only WWE is strong enough to generate those types of numbers and Mania week is the best time to try another attempt.

If you need wrestlemania to draw your crowd then, and this might blow your mind, you didnt draw the crowd.

I thought Cody and The Buck were supposed to draw 10,000 not CM Punk?

I mean, they would be drawing it as they're setting up the show.

Promoting =/= drawing

But I would still give them the feather in the cap if they pull it off

Apparently they're doing this on September 1st, which is directly up against night 2 of PWG BOLA, Chikara's King of Trios, and a bunch of other non-wrestling events going on that weekend.

I know it's a holiday weekend and such but that feels like a poor choice of date if you're trying to maximize turnout.

BOLA is in CA and Trios is in PA

Yes but you might get people who are big fans of PWG or Chikara opting to stay home and watch on iPPV.

If this show is hoping to draw 10k they need as little else going on that weekend in the wrestling world as possible. Especially since all three shows draw from the same fan pool.

Eh those show will be there when they get home. Its 2018.

Yeah, called All In, which is a pretty good name for what they're doing.

So far Cody, The Bucks, Kenny Omega, Hangman Page, Marty Scurll and TV's Steven Amell.

Got 10.9k Twitter Followers in 4 hours. Now just gotta get dem buys.

I didn't realize Cody Rhodes new gimmick was that of a tortured and struggling artist whose dream it was to draw 10 people! Is he attempting to draw 10 people on one canvas? If so, how big is the canvas? Is he going to draw the 10 people freehand? Water colors? Paint by numbers? What are the time restraints on completion of the drawing of 10 people? Can he last long enough to draw 10 people? That seems like it would push him to his limits. Does he even own an easel? I'm not sure if Cody can draw 10 people, especially without an easel.

I'll go for TV's Steven Amell.

Yes but at the same time its also the only time of year where the pool of wrestling fans in a single location is at its largest. Its been a very effective tactic by indie companies for drawing their biggest crowds of the year since not everyone goes just to see WWE stuff during the week.

Although as a trade-off, you also have to deal with a lot more competition than usual because of the large number of shows held during the week by WWE and other indies.

:lol:

All Destor was saying is that when there are that many wrestling fans floating about, you just can't claim to have drew them in. ;)

BigCrippyZ! :love:

Lol yeah, why do you think thwy were there? Your show is a time filler not the draw.

If youre the draw youd be working sundays

Saw Cody reply to someone saying there will be at least one women's match at the show... I hope to god for his sake he doesn't book Brandi.

Midgets too or I'm out.

Gonna be hard to get talent too with PWG especially running a show.

Is it officially in Chicago? I may end up going. Probably not but maybe.

Have Kenny and Cody worked each other yet?

No, but it seems imminent. Bullet Club looks like it'll be divided unless Cody fully usurps him and they go with a full blown face, stable-less Omega push.

That might be for the best because if they split into Bullet Club and The Elite.......the Bullet Club portion will likely be Cody, Fale, the Guerrilas of Destiny, Leo Tonga, Chase Owens, and Yujiro Takahashi. Nothing against them but yeah........that's essentially the nWo B-team.

Valid

Bring 9,000 of your friends.

Cody would get 20,000 people attending if he grew back his moustache.