No thanks.

My ears are not keen for what my eyes have seen and my nose has imagined.

If you've watched the LOD DVD that the WWE put out a while back then last nights episode was just a rehash of the DVD

Another Montreal

I really enjoyed the Road Warriors doc. I liked Animals honesty and hearing from Hawks brothers.

My thoughts on this doc:



**Fart Noise**


Nah it was fine, but pretty by the numbers.

It wasn't as in depth as I wanted it to be. It glazed over their whole career I felt. Road Warriors need a longer time slot for a doc.

I really enjoyed Paul Ellering and Hawk's brothers added a family element I didn't know about this big guy. I've been watching all the Darkside's with my gf, and this was one of her favorites. I think Brody was her favorite so far. She doesn't know anything beoynd the brief preface I'll give before the show starts.


One thing I didn't LOVE is how they acted like They went from WWF to split and Hawk in Japan back to WWF, when they had another WCW run as a team this time in blue. Which I hated.

Yeah I rolled my eyes at them ignoring the WCW run. Also, they were given a chance for a year to make an impact in WWE in 1997. They just stank out the joint because they were WELL past their prime.

They didn't even mention their AWA run

They never mentioned the Titantron suicide angle which should have been properly discussed.
I thought going into it that Hawk's addiction & downslide had to be the main focus but they paid it no more than lip service as a reason for their decline as a team.

Now that I think about it, it was a complete waste of an episode.

Didn't like the Roadwarrior episode, mostly because it was the same ting WWE put out in like 2006 or whenever that DVD came out.

It was all the same guest even for the most part, Ellering, Smash, Droz.

First time in 2 seasons it felt like a simple rehash.

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Oh shit I forgot to listen to that today

And there's no way that can be true.

Didn't both side couldn't talk about any legal issues since the settlement ?? If she broke the agreement can wwe start to make money from Owen again ??

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Probably expired some time ago considering how open and willing she's been in recent times with anything Owen related compared to before.

Then again WWE supposedly violated the terms several times before so the NDA probably isn't worth its paper anymore.

It sounds like the breach of contract lawsuit is basically that WWE had two clauses in Owen's contract that lawsuits could only happen in CT and WWE could not be held responsible for injury or death so by starting a lawsuit of wrongful death in Missourri, Martha Hart was technically violating Owen's contract, twice.

Things got settled before this was ruled on, of course, but Vince IIRC did state he believes WWE would have won against Martha had things not settled.

Never heard this before -- you can hear Owen hit the ring around 1:26

:(


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I think that commentator is dyslexic because he kept saying ewno instead of Owen.

Last episode of the season tomorrow which sucks.

Apparently Scott Norton was not happy at all with his appearance in the Road Warriors episode.

Something about how he was interviewed for over 3 hours and didn't like how he was portrayed based on the stuff used. Made it seem like he was harsh towards the duo when that wasn't the case during the actual interview.

Also mentioned Hawk's brother messaging him before the interview about needing to be careful with what he says since the producers were not trustworthy when it came to their intentions for episodes.

Owen should have just said no.

The narrative has always been Owen was uncomfortable but didn't want to say no again since he just refused to do an affair angle with Debra, and he didn't want to say no again...

BUT, he wanted to leave when the Screwjob happened but WWE wouldn't let him out of his contract. So why was he worried about missing Vince/WWE off if he wasn't trying to keep his job there anyways?

Also, it's not like he would have been refusing an angle, just an entrance stunt. It's not the same thing.

Plus, he did the stunt prior to that day. Bet they won't bring that up on the upcoming episode.

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Supposedly the real reasons was Vince threatened legal action against Owen if he quit and Bret warning him that WCW was a miserable place to work for and not worth the hassle.

Also unlike the others that left, Owen supposedly didn't feel he was that financially well off to risk legal issues or retire comfortably with his family.

The accident itself pretty much was due to Vince shrugging off Owen's concerns he had with the harness during the show.

WWE's lawyer releases a statement implying Martha didn't care why Owen died, yikes


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Does he not realize the same criticisms about her trying to "fix the judicial selection process" is the exact same thing WWE constantly does whenever they get sued.

Its why WWE desperately tries to get all their cases heard in Connecticut regardless of the actual jurisdiction since the judges in their area are more favorable to WWE and corporate interests.

What made them think that was going to make things better? No good can come from that

In the middle of the episode. Vince comesoff like Trump with how defensive he gets and his quickness to get and flip the tables and be the victim.

Also, this shit is obscenely sad. Poor Owen.

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Yeah that whole episode once the accident happens is really hard too watch. Didn't think I'd see Cornette break down.

Still emotional over an hour later.

That was really hard to watch and really, really good.

Mind boggling

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Was fucking floored that the equipment wwe approvedof wasn't meant for harnessing human beings. How the fuck Vince got away with this is amazing. Jesus.

All those wrestlers too, wrestling on a dented ring with their friend's blood freshly stained in the corner.

Can't imagine trying to go on with the show. In hindsight it was an awful decision.

Yeah this whole thing put me off carabiner keychains when I was young.
And mountaineering obviously.

When Jericho compared Owen to Johnny from The Karate Kid it clicked in my brain perfectly.
That is why I always bought Owen Hart as a heel. He really is a bigger Johnny Lawrence.

Holy shit, I don't think I ever heard that Owen had shouted "look out" as he fell before seeing that.

That was a great episode. There was a hell of a lot of Martha and family in it which was a big get for the show, that adds some serious credibility.
I think the most important thing was that JR and Corny both reacted in a much more open and emotional way about Owen than I have ever heard them before. Every good wrestling podcast has an Owen episode and none besides Something To Wrestle ever took it to a place where tears were evident.

I'm not saying I liked them crying, it was just nice to see that they aren't as toughened to the subject as I had thought.
It was refreshing to see sadness alongside the obvious anger, I suppose.

It was also a clear and damning attack on Vince Mahon without taking away from Owen at all. I don't think any episode has taken such well placed shots at him and it was all organic.

Martha undoubtedly calculated her input for maximum damage but good for her, I doubt it was a reach.

Owen Hart episode ended up surpassing the Chris Benoit 2-hour episode as the most watched episode in series history by around 29,000 viewers.

Benoit episode had 320k while the Owen episode had 349k.

David Bixenspan just found a report that stated Max Mini was originally supposed to be attached to Owen the night of the fall but they decided against it.

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Jesus

I thought the blood on the ring was from a Brood "Blood Bath" or the hardcore match that took place earlier in the night.

Yeah I had thought something happened on Heat.

I think the Brood gave the Hardyz a bloodbath or something like that

Yeah I found it, Matt touches the mat after the blood bath


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Goldust and Blue Meanie vs Hardyz /w/ Michael Hayes.

I totally forgot both were a thing.

Michael Hayes should never have been encouraged to wear that shirt the Hardy's used to wear. It was too tight on his bulky old frame.
He looked so sweaty and hairy.

I remember thinking Michael Hayes getting to manage the Hardys would be game changing for them. It certainly got them going in the right direction.

Michael Hayes going to a rave later on

Oh yeah, forgot about this match. I always remember the two brothers in the crowd doing some sort of jive handshake after Bradshaw clotheslines Jeff out of mid air.

lolll

Of course Hayes is in the shirt in that video.

Vince and WWE ditching the safer or more reliable options because they looked "too slow" for tv makes them even look more despicable for going through with the stunt.

Thanks for the time stamp you fucking asshole.

For those interested, the Observer had a free episode of their Observer Radio show yesterday with Martha Hart as the guest and uploaded it afterwards on their Youtube channel.

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Watching right now. His daughter got his nose.

I was going to say thsts the only real new thing I heard out of the episode.

Vince McMahon is really some piece of shit. More the reason I hope WWE goes under before Vince dies. So he has to see his baby die.

And further begs the question how the fuck he got away with it. Maybe big crippy z can tell us. How does Vince not get charged with involuntary manslaughter for putting his employee at risk and that employee dying due to negligence?

If you can't figure out when a "Brood bloodbath" might take place during a video titled "Blue Meanie and Goldust vs the Hardy Boys" that's on you.

Money.

Where he would surely put Rohypnol in some poor girl's drink.

I'm not a criminal attorney so this isn't really my area of expertise, outside of the criminal application of general civil negligence principles applied to a business and/or its agents or employees.

First, unfortunately, money and PR almost undoubtedly had a large role in no one being charged criminally.

Second, it's difficult and rarely a slam dunk to prove recklessness or negligence, especially in a criminal case where the standard for conviction is the much higher, beyond a reasonable doubt.

Third, assuming that Vince was likely not directly responsible or involved in any of the actual engineering, planning, use, or selection of the equipment that failed or was inadequate, it would be increasingly difficult to prove that Vince himself essentially knew or should have known that use of the equipment involved would have likely caused the death of Owen.

Talbert would be a more likely candidate, but that would still be a tough ask. It's also possible that additional evidence the state may have felt it needed to prove negligence or recklessness did not become available or apparent until after the statute of limitations period of three years had passed.

There's also the idea that, for the WWE people involved, it was unforeseeable that the equipment manufacturer would be negligent in making or recommending the inadequate equipment, and the manufacturer's negligence was an intervening cause or act negating any culpability to anyone personally involved from WWE.

lol, no shit. also, i'm pretty sure the video you posted has Matt in the opposite ring corner from where the accident occurred but i could be wrong

Is season 3 confirmed?

I don't believe it has

No but one of the top people at VICE mentioned a few weeks ago about them being eager for a new season and also plans for a spin-off series.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that

Season 3 wishlist

1. Chris Adams
2. Chris Adams
3. Chris Adams
4. Chris Adams
5. Chris Adams

On the Conrad "Darkside of the Podcast" they made it feel like they need a break but they hope to do season 3 in the future. They are tired and want to work on other projects for now it seems.

I don't blame them for wanting to take a break since the second season did feel a lot more darker and depressing in tone than the first.

One of the producers that his dream would be to do a Vince McMahon series of like 20 episodes, interviewing him in relation to all of the crazy stories he's involved in. Goddamn I hope that could happen.

Vince McMahon is like the fairies in Peter Pan, if you believe in him hard enough he will make all of your dreams come true Jordan.

According to PWI, VICE recently ordered a third season for the series with a potential debut date of April 2021.

Also according to the series composer, Dark Side of the Ring was originally planned to be called "Falls Count Anywhere" and wasn't meant to be as dark in tone for episodes.

Also, there was never distinct evidence to determine how exactly it happened. The harness didn't break, it just disconnected. There is no way to prove that it failed independently of Owen Hart. Hence the long standing speculation that Owen accidentally triggered the quick release himself.

It's why they had a civil case instead of a criminal case. Had the clamp broke or the cable snapped, it would still be very hard to prove criminal charges, but their would be an argument to bring charges. Without that, they did what they could and held Vince financially responsible.

I would LOVE an episode on the missing years of Perry Saturn. That is such a fascinating story that a famous wrestler could fall of the earth for years to the point many people thought he was dead.

Did this ever come out

If I remember correctly they couldn't finish it without crowd sourcing and the producer got #metoo'ed.

Chris Adams
Johnny K9/Taras Bulba/Bruiser Bedlam
Dick Slater stabbing
Flair's plane crash
Gary Hart's plane crash
Jim Herd
Abdullah Hepatitis

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Owen Hart's ribs had all of the impact of a turnbuckle from 100 feet.

Factual metaphor.

Respect the effort.

Conrad brought up a great topic for season 3 on Grilling Jr this week


Muhammad Hassan

The heat he got was awesome, wish UPN didn't fuck him over.

The fact that they chose to just kill Hassan off after that instead of give him another run on Raw where Spike would've let them get away with more was a tragedy.

Probably can blame WWE more for that since they really pissed off UPN by refusing their request to edit out his segment from that week's show because they felt it was in very poor taste considering what had happened in London earlier.

WWE gave some excuses for why they didn't but all that ended up doing was pissing off UPN even more when it actually aired on tv. Think either UPN threatened to pull their tv contract or some other serious punishment if WWE continued with the Hassan storyline for Smackdown.

Now that guy could really work the mic, used to love Daviari shouting in Farsi too.

Anyone watch Darkside of the Ring: Confidential? The first episode revisited and got deeper into the Gino Hernandez story. I enjoyed it even more than the original airing. They dropped that Gino's Grandfather married Jimmy Snuka's Mom in a kind of wild story. Also we learned that Gino was indeed not the son of Paul Bosch. Looking forward to the next one.

I thought that as well. I think it was a good topic to start with as the Gino episode was my least favorite in season 1.

I was on the fence about this show because the DSOTR after shows ere so bad. Gonna give it a watch.

Lol I love that they settled the Paul Boesch/Gino's Hernandez thing

Now someone just needs to settle Gorilla Monsoon/Victor Quinones

Gorilla/Victor just makes too much sense not to be true. I can't imagine there is anyone alive who could justify the truth other than maybe Vince.

I'm not even sure they even acknowledged that Joey Marella was his son, at least not back in the pre internet days.

Ventura always ripped on him and what a bad job he was doing while on Commentary with Gorilla, but back then as a kid I had no idea.

The did in a couple House Shows but never on weekly t.v

Wow, so Jimmy Snuka was married Gino Hernandez's mother lol

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Finally, the wait is over...<br><br>The first look at Season 3 is here! Premieres May 6 on <a href="https://twitter.com/VICETV?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@vicetv</a>. <a href="https://t.co/q6zoI18ufO">pic.twitter.com/q6zoI18ufO</a></p>&mdash; Dark Side of the Ring (@DarkSideOfRing) <a href="https://twitter.com/DarkSideOfRing/status/1380241662274895875?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

lol "happy side of the ring"

The one show I make a point to watch.

I can't wait to hear some Johnny K-9 stories. He's a legend amongst the indie guys in my city.

I'm most excited for FMW, Collision in Korea, Nick Gage and XPW (if that is covered, I think I read that it is).