I really liked Dynamites and it was by 2nd favorite behind Pillman's. I hadn't seen the Nick Gage one, but this season has been decent. I have seen enough Warrior documentaries already so that was nothing new. Collision in Korea was really interesting as I have never heard that story before. I couldn't get through Grizzley Smith as it was way too depressing. I had known about all his BS beforehand and i still couldn't get through it. fuck that guy.

Just finished the Dynamite one. Great episode.

I had no idea Bret's ex wife and Dynamite's ex were sisters


Also, Jacques Rougeau is a treasure.

And Dymanite's daughters are gorgeous

Right ? I never knew that either ! Crazy that I never heard this

And then I was pissed they didn’t bring him in during 97 to side with the Harts since he was technically a brother in law

Meltzer is right. Dynamite Kid doesn't get enough credit and because his career ended so long ago he's becoming one of these guys lost to time.

Dynamite Kid is one of those guys who would do something almost every match that would leave you in awe.

The crowd reaction to Tiger Mask vs Kid at MSG 1982 is so great. They initially don't know what to make of it, but come out of their seats at the end. It's the greatest example of that.

Just rewatched Grizzly Smith episode and I noticed one thing, in beyond the mat Jake said that Grizzly was is father AND grandfather and that he was the product of incest but nothing of this was talked about in DSOTR, was it all bullshit or they just didn't want to go there ???

I think he was over simplifying that. In the sense that Grizzly was with his grandmother, although I dont think he was ever married to her, and raped what would have been his step daughter had he been married to the grandmother. The one he raped is who then became his wife.

Oh damn, I didn't understood it this way, thanks for the clarification !

You definitely did and just forgot it.
Bret and Dynamite both mention it in their books.

I haven't read either so no I didn't.

Podcasts have more or less killed my wrestling book reading.

You were right about Arn's podcast. Amazing stuff for territory fans. Also I'm loving Jarrett's deep dive on the creation of TNA. Also been enjoying Jr's podcast too, he's got a lot to say about almost everything he has been apart of.

Lazy cunt

Lol that I am

New season starts in a couple days. The line up looks pretty great. Leading off with the Plane Ride From Hell

Fuck yes

The Johnny K9 episode man, I’m telling you it is going to be one of the best ones ever.

I wonder how deep they will go seeing as this was taped while Flair was still employed by WWE. I cant see them passing up burying WWE when they have the chance.

There shouldn't be any shortage of guys willing to talk. Jim Ross, Sean Waltman, Justin Credible, Dustin Rhodes have all spoken at length about this. I don't imagine this will be a groundbreaking episode. Kind of a light episode like Brawl 4 All. Kurt Angle would be a very cool get.

It's a good epsiode. Pretty fucked up and doesn't make anyone especially Flair and Hall look good.

Anybody got a link? Don’t get it in Canada til tomorrow.

Nm Crave has it now.

I wouldn't be too surprised if AEW doesn't end up inking Flair to a deal after this episode aired.

Tommy Dreamer doubled, tripled, and quadrupled down on sexual assault being a joke. Wow.

smh YouTube TV doesn't have Vice TV so have to torrent them a couple of days later... any online streaming links? rep me...

Ooooof Tommy Dreamer looks bad in this.

Alot of people look bad in this.

Good to see Justin Crddible looking healthy

oh nice they're streaming this episode for free without a subscription wall

https://www.vicetv.com/en_us/video/t...a9291f9a5c8118

watching right now

Good episode. Although I think they are all great sooo

Good episode

oof tommy dreamer

The decision to focus on Heidi Doyle was brilliant - I'd never really thought about the plane ride from hell from the p.o.v. of the crew before - but it really is her story, she's the protagonist of it all.

I’m 15 minutes in man and this is insane the shit these guys are admitting to. Christ.

Tommy Dreamer is absolutely full of shit about Flair. I in no way believe that Flair wouldn’t force himself on a woman. No shot. If Dreamer was gonna lie, he should’ve just said he never knew Flair to be the type. Or not comment on it at all.

Yeah Tommy Dreamer can go fuck himself. He might’ve come off the worst in all of this.

Yeah... feels hard to imagine them signing him and putting him on TV, at least not imminently...

They seem to react strongly to any backlash about this type of stuff and they would def get a lot of backlash if Flair is signed any time soon...

Tommy Dreamer a couple years ago admitted that he wanted to burst into WM17, shoot Paul Heyman and then do his pose and shoot himself in the head. And that murder-suicide would be a great “angle” for him to end on.

Suppose it’s not a surprise he’s a complete moron.

he tried to save it with the double ponytail joke but the damage had already been done. sorry, tommy (not sorry)


did jr and vince get h-bombed on this shit as well? seems more of the story remains untold

I agree Dreamer also came off really bad. I was surprised they even aired some of the comments he had in defense of Flair.

guess we won't see him on impact anymore, what was he thinking?

he looked the best in the ep maybe rvd did not look to bad. vince even looked bad for not going back there.

Interesting episode on a story we all pretty much know about.

I think a side angle on the episode is the light it shines on the drug/pill use at the time. It seems like Vince just washed his hands of it. I know that we always knew that, but it’s a physical representation of that now. Just letting the “boys” go absolutely crazy. He could have stopped the drinks coming, he could have had them return to the terminal if it’s a private plane. He could have gone back there, but he didn’t.

Instead of getting Hennig the help he obviously needed, he is fired and dies not long after. Instead of trying to help Hall, they fire him and it’s just by the grace of God that he is still here.

Obviously addiction is something personal and it can be very difficult to help people, but there guys are abusing drunk and drugs and mixing potentially lethal cocktails meters away from where you are sitting. There had to be some sense of responsibility by the company when it’s being done on their time.

When you have "fuck you, go away" money - nothing matters anymore.

I took the ponytail joke as a jab at cancel culture. I could be wrong but his tone came off to me more sarcastic and annoyed then trying to sound funny.

I wonder if they'll ever do an Ashley Massarro episode. Her affidavit about being drugged so she was paralyzed but conscious while being repeatedly raped/sodomized is pretty disturbing stuff.

Vince then telling her she basically needed to 'stand up for wwe' and not sell that it happened.

They didn't mention the Kurt Angle vs Vince wrestling match.

From Fightful:

yeah i knew his time at impact was over half there roster are women and most of the male wrestlers are dating or married to other wrestlers. dreamer might as well retire.

dude is asking to be fired, really. even if you're a dipshit with that dipshit opinion, you've got be smarter than saying it on a popular tv show.

It just highlights that dreamer is an idiot

Yeah that should be done. Really fucked up.

I thought that was this flight as well, confused how that didn't come up.

WALTMAN:

Welp that's what he gets for sucking Flair's big dick, funny thing is, Flair probably see's Tommy the same way he see's Foley, a schmuck.

No way Flair gets a deal with AEW now.

From the Observer:

What an episode. Holy shit!

Genuinely pissed at Dreamer. FFS :nono:

fuck flic rair

Ehhh fuck you old man, i'll stretch your asshole out so wide it'll look like a Hippos mouth when its yawning! :shifty:

So Michael Hayes slept through it all? Was it not previously mentioned he was so shitfaced he almost pissed on Linda thinking he was in the toilet? Or was that a different flight?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bam Bam in 1998 talking about Ric Flair. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PlaneRideFromHell?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PlaneRideFromHell</a> <a href="https://t.co/pMuEp3pArP">pic.twitter.com/pMuEp3pArP</a></p>&mdash; sam (@NVRBEENONVOGUE) <a href="https://twitter.com/NVRBEENONVOGUE/status/1438793013959041026?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Watched it just there and that’s one of the truly dark episodes - nothing funny about any of it.
Just like Brody, the events are all individually well known but when you put them together in the timeline it actually looks horrific. Everything that flight attendant said speaks to an un-healed trauma and alongside it you have Jim Ross looking genuinely stunned when they asked him about Flair escaping unpunished. You can see him actually make the decision to be honest right there and then, so Tommy Dreamer looks like a complete scumbag when he gets chopped in saying it’s all nonsense.

The show felt 90 minutes long to me given how heavy it was. I don’t think I’ll ever watch this one again, it has given me too much to think about.

Rob Van Dam came out of it looking pretty decent...if only he had a reason for watching Ric instead of stopping him but I suppose not cheering him on makes him the hero of the tale.

Dreamer talks about still having his hair at 50, after numerous transplants...that fact slipped his mind.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here’s a video of Ric Flair flashing flight attendants being portrayed in two separate WWE productions—the &quot;30 For 30” episode they co-produced with ESPN and an episode of Story Time on WWE Network—as a happy fun time worthy of happy fun time cartoon portrayals with jaunty music. <a href="https://t.co/IzTqiUaVHH">pic.twitter.com/IzTqiUaVHH</a></p>&mdash; David Bixenspan (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1438690453222825986?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The stuff about Ric Flair's infamous antics during the flight isn't that surprising since even both WWE and ESPN mentioned that being a habit of his before in recent shows they've produced but what made Dark Side's episode way more damaging was them managing to actually get the flight attendant who was harassed by him for their show. That turned his antics from being something of an immature gag and chuckle to something way more serious in tone.

Only reason the current heat on Flair isn't even bigger is due to Dreamer taking some of the spotlight away because of his moronic takes over the incident.

Flair is bringing someone down with him!

How is Dreamer getting more shit for defending Flair than Lesnar is for actually pulling a “Flair”? lol

cuz terri no sold it

???

If that makes it alright then that would explain Flair’s interest in AEW. He can show his dick to The Bucks all he wants. They don’t sell shit.

Man, she fucked New Jack.
Terri is a step above Missy Hyatt and Tammy Sytch in the public eye.

She’d find it hard getting sympathy for anything.

A day late to watching, but I think I only heard 2 new things.

Hayes punching a sleeping JBL and Dustin spitting his chewing tobacco in the back of the seat, both are quite tame compared to what was already known forever.

I feel like they only included Terri's story of Brock flashing just to set the tone of "wrestlers" do this all the time for the sake of telling the Flair story.

The only real interesting thing from this episode is Dreamer being so defensive of Flair, and Impact's reaction to it.

Id also have to check the timeline since I dont recall, but Jericho as the narrator acting like that is all beneath him when he is one of the all time drunks, I mean come on lol. If he was on that flight he was loaded, guaranteed!

NOOOO LA Knight needs that spotlight now that Vince is in charge of NXT and had him job twice the first show :(

This gets all the rep :rofl:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Next week’s episode of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/darksideofthering?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#darksideofthering</a> is on Chris Kanyon and might not paint Ric Flair in the best light either. Clip thread under this post. <a href="https://t.co/uiEN7et5Ly">pic.twitter.com/uiEN7et5Ly</a></p>&mdash; Wrestling News (@WrestlingNewsCo) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestlingNewsCo/status/1438942399464681492?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I remember that interview. Honestly, outside of him kinda off-handedly calling Kanyon’s sexuality a choice, I don’t think Flair came off too bad. Kanyon was adamant that he was let go because he was gay. Flair argued that wasn’t the reason. And I kinda side with Flair. Regardless though, he wasn’t being horribly offensive or anything.

Same, also have seen that whole video before... feel like that interview was extremely tame compared to the other stuff he's accused of

it may be hard for darkside of the ring to get interviews for next season wrestlers don't want to screw up like dreamer did.

I think it’s safe to say that Ric Flair won’t be in AEW any time soon. And Andrade’s career is pretty much dead in the water.

Eh, wrestling has gotten away with so much for so long. None of this is news, but under new light with younger eyes and fresher cultural attitudes, shit is getting called out. Paul Wight might find himself in trouble too, although he could possibly claim to have grown up and changed.

I cannot believe Vince McMahon’s scandals have not been revisited.

Heard that Vince and Taker really take a beating in the Kanyon episode. I don’t know how true or not true Kanyon’s version of events are versus the reality of wrestling, but any fallout from it (if any) is going to be interesting to watch.

I hope they don't cancel Taker Wine!

It’ll be genuinely interesting to see what, if any, repercussions there are for the attention some of these stories get.

What's Paul Wight accused of?

It was in his WCW days. He approached a woman at a bar or something, asked her “Do you know why they call me The Giant?” and proceeded to take his dick out and put it on her shoulder. The boys covered it up for him.

He was young at the time, and the dude has had a very public life and I can’t remember anything THAT bad ever happening again. But he did have quite a few legal issues in his WCW years.

This is a great point

They pay people to come on and if wrestling has shown me anything, people will do mostly anything to get paid in the rasslin business

I don't think they pay people

On Brock Lesnar: The chips will fall where they may. I hate the excuse that the “boys will be boys.” But he was basically an impressionable kid in a ridiculous culture. Not defending what he did. But I see people defending Dustin as someone that has “grown” and cleaned himself up since those incidents. Brock fucking hated wrestling for a reason, and he’s possibly changed too. Still a fucking caricature of a manly man, but I think there is a subconscious reason that men in their 50’s are being called out for being absolute cunts versus a jock in his mid-20’s for doing something horrible in a culturally bankrupt environment.

Not an excuse. I’m just trying to lay out an explanation for why the heat might be going where it’s going. If Brock *defended* it now? Big difference. Dreamer is making that shit seem harmless *now*, instead of just shutting the fuck up and showing remorse.

This sort of nightmare is why the ratings and the demos and all that shit don’t matter like people celebrate them mattering. Wrestling can be a fucking trash fire. Ric Flair was, in all likelihood, about to debut in AEW. He might even already technically be under contract, publicly known or not, and collecting tens of thousands of dollars a week from the Khans. They might distance themselves now, but it could still ring hollow to advertisers, executives, fans and commentators. Could you blame a company for not wanting to prop up wrestling — AEW or WWE — with a platform, or advertisers desperately wanting to avoid being associated with this carny bullshit?

And I’m not about to pretend I’ve been here calling for Ric Flair’s head. This shit makes hypocrites of us all. And it’s just ugly. And it’s why Nike, their problematic shit aside, doesn’t give a fuck about catering to me. Or you. They want us to buy their shit, but they don’t want to see us actually wearing it.

Somebody is paying somebody

lol that guy they had play Ric Flair is ridiculous

Just thinking about how surreal it is that as a community, if you can collectively lump people in together that way, we all knew about this but just...ignored it.

You can’t blame the audience for off-screen incidents.
I love wrestling but I’m not putting old men on a pedestal when it comes down to this sort of thing.
I fully expect Shawn Michaels to get what’s coming to him soon enough. I mean you can only shave so many heads after date rape before somebody speaks up in front of a camera that films HD.

They’ll find a victim eventually.

I feel similarly about Brock Lesnar. Even though he was young and in a tough spot, it doesn't excuse what he did to Runnels. Besides that, he's had a lot of unsavory things to say about minorities and those who lead alternative lifestyles.

I wholeheartedly agree with this.

I don't believe I can purchase merchandise in good faith anymore.

The real Noid wouldn’t have said that in two lines.

Haha well I was wrong there

It started off with Bradshaw getting punched so...

Imagine surprised to learn Ric Flair is a possible sexual predator.