600mil and it hasnt even opened in china yet

This will crack 1billion for sure.

Very dickish. I love it

So I really liked it. My only gripes were Poe's subplot, which became kinda moot, and Rey and Finn's romance maybe being pushed aside maybe.

I like Ren. I like his inner conflict, and that he seemingly forces himself to be evil even though he probably isn't.

This felt very much like a hard ending. No cliff hangers or anything. Which exites me because it'll give the creative team a clean slate to close out the trilogy in the next one.

This was alright. Not the PC cringefest people were making it out to be. Rey demoted from Mary Sue to an actual protagonist worth rooting for.

Can't shake the feeling that they were setting up some daring story beats only to play it straight by the end:



Literally all of that was swerved as misunderstandings, red herrings, or just rendered moot. Shame.

Snoke chewing out Kylo for losing to Rey last time was meta. Glad they acknowledged that. In fact there's a lot of evidence that they specifically depowered Rey in comparison to Force Awakens.

Seems some retooling of Luke's personality was required for him to fill the cranky old mentor role but it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. However, I agree with Hamill that basically everything is inconsistent with who we got to know long ago. But whatever.

Probably should have played straight 'that scene' with Leia cause they are in one hell of a box right now.

Needed more Evil BB8. Very surprised not getting a showdown.

Everything about the Casino and the hacker was cutting room floor material. Complete waste of time.

Yeah I agree with that last paragraph, only because Holdo's motive completely negated that entire part of the story.

I think they did a good job of explaining why Luke went the way he did. We have to remember that he wasn't really a Jedi master. He stumbled his way into being the chosen one, and wasn't trained or brought up the way his predecessors or even Ren was.

I agree with toning Rey down a lot. It worked better and made more sense. I liked the conflict between the two. Maybe a double turn is inevitable? That'd been fucking amazing actually.

To be totally honest what I would have done with Rey and Kylo:

I totally understand why that isnt an option though. Rey is their in for girls ages <13. This is a big part of their business model for star wars going forward. Not only gettting the audience younger (marketing star wars to 40 year old males is not wise afterall) but bringing in girls to the fold as well. Rey is the center piece of that strategy.

I dont understand what the complaints are about I deeply enjoyed that

The whole thing revolving around letting the past die and the idea that your orgins don't fucking matter well done

It was my favorite part of the film. Telling the audience you, who come from nothing, can be anything. It was great. Really great.

Agreed with both of you

Because Ive always said this quote belonged in a much better movie

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That's nothing new as Jedi didn't reproduce. I think they should get rid of the jedi religion if they are letting the past die and they very well could. I don't think Rey will agree with alot of the Jedi beliefs.

It is definitely someting new. Its new because 8 out of 8 star wars films have been about the legacy of one blood line.

I get what you mean but that's not how the Jedi worked is what I'm saying. In my opinion the prequals did the same thing.

The lore from the books have never impacted the films. Jedi not fucking has never been more than trivia save the scandal of Anikan getting his fuck on.


This story has always been about a single family. To take Rey and say she is no one opens the universe in a way that is fresh, exciting and bold. Everything people complained that 7 wasnt funny enough.

NERDS!

Don't forget the end with the kid in the stable. Seemingly using the force to pull the broom towards himself

Exactly. Its building off this new universe where the force isnt for the elite chosen the force is for everyone.

Also that is exactly what the tree burning symbolized. All of the jedi code is gone now.

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The idea that the Jedi order is shit has been gaining steam for a long while now the emphasis has shifted toward balance rather than pure light or pure dark

I'm thinking Jedi Order is pretty much dead and the new class are going to be more or less grey

Which reflects societies shift on morality in the past 40 years

Also see: Darth Treya I love her whole outlook

I dont necessarily think that is the case. Luke ends the movie by saying he wont be the last jedi. I think his intent (assuming he reappears as a force ghost) is to rebuild the Jedi order rather than say the Jedi Order is dead.

Taking Rebels into account, it seems Disney overall wants to reboot/reevaluate the Jedi/Sith conflict.

But Grey Jedi are a thing(at least in legends continuity)

They might still be a thing if Ashoka is any indication

Small observation may not mean anything Luke was wearing light and dark robes when he was facing First Order

Itll rebuild but the old ways are gone. The religion aspects wont exist going forward. Id stake anything on it. The blue v red aspects will be less prevelant going forward

This was definitely not the movie I was expecting.

What's your take on it?

I don't want the public opinion to sway my enjoyment of the movie. It's a very good movie, not perfect and above any of the Star Wars movies 4-7 is probably the most faulted as a film. However I really enjoyed the ride and feel that it may be appreciated more after the next one is released.


I will say that I'm tired of this war, something needs to change. I really felt a strong heel turn from Rey teaming with Kylo in a shades of grey heel vs shades of grey baby face Luke and Luke ending the film as hero again. That would have been Star Wars fresh but they kept in the cannon and did what they did.

I though Lea's use of the force was awesome, she's a fucking Skywalker and she was never trained that we saw so her use of the force is instinctual and not the same as any of the male Jedi we have seen.

Jedi did a good job with tearing everything down and raises more questions than answers. I understand the complaints about the casino but aside from the chase it worked for me. Sometimes a bad person is just a bad person and we got used to seeing bad people with hearts of gold..

DJ's not bad though. He did save Finn and Rose when he had no reason to. I think the idea is he's the Han Solo archetype played straight. But push come to shove he's probably redeemable in the future, if the price is right. Then again it's best he doesn't run into Finn and Rose again.

I think they started clean everyone who needed to die in the old Star Wars universe is dead.

No...there is another

You sah are mistaken. Jar Jar binks lives forevah sah.