Are you talking about his early 80s run or early 93 return

Starrcade 83.

You're right though it's just a misspelling. I believe it is spelled Flair For The Gold in 93.

Is it fair to say that Bobby Heenan's greatest skill as a commentator was making a mostly bad product palatable to an audience that was now not as dumb as the show?

This applies to early 90's WWE and WCW mostly.

Obviously there are exceptions to the dumbness but overall there was a lot of shitty gimmickery at that time...

He got bad pretty fast in WCW because he didn't have a guy like Gorilla to play off of. Tony wasn't gonna do that. He definitely made otherwise boring matched entertaining.

Quick wit, too. I've traded jokes briefly with him outside a couple house shows. I concur he is awesome.

Finished the Moolah Dark Side of the Ring. I like how they didn't pick sides and told the story from multiple perspectives. Very well done and it actually fit within the tim constraints.

The defence for Moolah fielded by her daughter, an unheard of female wrestler and "some guy".

They held their own though. I think the pimping thing has been over stated all things considered...
Wendi Richter came off as fairly dim if her version of the screw job is to be believed.

Bambi hardly if ever wrestled in the WWF. She was more of an NWA wrestler. Did a touring match with Peggy Lee Leather. They used to say Bambi would win in the ring, but Peggy would get her heat back in the bedroom if you catch my drift.


Wendi is such a country bumpkin lol. Love her. I don't believe her when she said she didn't know it was Moolah. Such a weird thing to deny. Like they had to call spots in the ring didn't they? Moolah has a pretty distinct voice. I'm convinced she is kayfabing, which makes me love her even more. She's definitely right when she says she was close to Hogan's popularity and deserved to be paid a lot more.

Yeah I thought she must have been in kayfabe... I do dig it when wrestlers pull that off in the middle of a straight documentary.

What do you reckon would be good stories for a second series? I assume Owen and the steroid trial/s would be on the table, maybe the ring boy scandal... Buck Zumhoff, Jim Herd's WCW tenure, Dynamite Kid's fall from grace, Arn/Sid could all be interesting if already fairly well known.

I'd definitely like the Chris Adams story told.

Adams for sure. I heard they are doing Dino Bravo which will be amazing. Owen is a given. Chris Colt would be great although he might be a little too obscure. The Ring Boys scandal would be good. Herb Abrams UWF would be amazing. Snuka killing Nancy Argentina would be awesome.

Off to look up Chris Colt

Yuck!

Random thought: If Slick came around today with that theme song he'd be one of the biggest things in wrestling

The Yakuza’s influence in Japanese wrestling would make for an awesome episode, but no way does anyone even remotely involved with that collaborate on it.

Just let Scott Hall and Jake Roberts make shit up about the Yakuza for an hour. They probably got enough shady stories they can just change names and cities to Japanese ones.

Would they ever open the can of worms about the whole Jimmy Snuka murder?

Listen to Jerry Gray on Cornette re:Jake The Snake Roberts and his piss drinking, crack buying ways.

CWA 1986 is my favourite thing right now. I have taken to the jobber Tony Falk who was on a "jobber can't buy a win" run.
The commentators are a lot more normal too, quite conversational in their lack of approval toward the dastardly heels. They are not over the top though, very appropriate because the matches are so hard and appear very violent.

The rings have a good noise, probably the first time I've ever thought "wow that's a loud ring".

There is a distinct lack of "typical Memphis bullshit" with regards to the silly characters I've heard so much about. So far the show has had a lot of very believable contests, and by that I mean the beatings are very convincing.
No heels are winning that didn't deserve to, they are clearly the stronger athletes and they get heat just by bullying the weaker guys.

The promos are tits too.

Gertner do you have any PDF copies of wrestling books? I really want a copy of The Fall Guys and supposedly it's public domain.
If anybody else has any wrestling books please pm me.

I have Bret, Flair, Foley, Ole, Hardcore Holly, Jericho, Gary Hart, JJ Dillon, The Bisch and Lex Luger but any others would be hugely appreciated.

Hooker by Thesz would be awesome.

Oi

Naw. I buy the actual book, read it and then give it away. I don't have a single wrestling book. I give them all away.

Imagining you saying that in a super solemn tone, staring off into the sunset.

I am high on my back porch looking at the squirrels in my back yard

I'm high in my house watching the hit show "Rick and Morty" for the first time. Pretty good.

Probably gonna finish watching the July 7 1997 Monday Night Raw. Over halfway done my 96 Raw rewatch.

Can you name some tag teams/tag matches from non WWE programming that I need to look at? I love tag team wrestling and since I only recently saw Bill Dundee and Buddy Landel I feel like I must have missed a thousand teams from territories and indies.

I like The Heavenly Bodies and they may own claim to my favourite non-gimmick tag match against The Thrillseekers in Smokey Mountain Wrestling but my benchmark is that I love The Midnight Express yet more or less detest The Rock And Roll Express.

The Heavenly Bodies look stiff but definitely are not, like Lawler. Dundee and Landel were just stiff and completely believable. Both had matches with almost no moves, just brutal one-way punches and kicks with the odd manoeuvre thrown in...

My favourite WWE teams all either work legit stiff or are just brilliant on the mic and do crazy high spots.

I suppose concisely I am asking who in the territories can I find footage of as a tag team that worked in a Memphis/SmokeyMountain/Mid-South AKA believable fighting style?

If you haven't checked out Murdoch and Adonis in the WWF please do.

Rude and Fernandez in JCP were fun
I actually love the team of Brian Pillman and Tom Zenk in WCW

The PYT's of Norvell Austin and Koko B Ware were great
Koko and Bobby Eaton were also tremendous

Check out the The Fabs vs Sheephearders

The Fantastics were another team worth checking out

Badd Company in the AWA were amazing. Diamond and Tanaka may be the most under rated team of the era

Thank you!

Right.

I just went on YouTube to find out who two guys were who got in a backstage altercation at an independent wrestling show and it turns out it was Lanny Poffo and some guy called Hannibal.
Moments later I'm down the rabbit hole again only now I'm listening to Lanny "The Genius" Poffo talk about sucking his own gigantic penis.

Apparently everybody already knew but just watching him discuss it openly has changed my perception and image of the man forever.

I have no question, just needed to get this out of my brain.

Lol Lanny is the best.

Hannibal. Ugh.

I know he's not the same Hannibal but I used to always choose him in WCW/NWO world Tour

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I love that the backstage scuffle happened because he lost his luggage and the shirt he wore to the ring was the only one he had and Hannibal ripped it off him.
That's great.

I must admit to being one of the few Wresting fans to have never played that game.

I've never even seen it.

I was never a "Nintendo" guy

Do you listen to Ron Fuller's Studcast Gertner or is that a silly question?

I love it now I've started listening, he seems like a very nice guy and he's very forthright in his account of his history and his family's history, he shares positive and negative equally well.
I don't know if I ever saw him wrestle but I'm going to have to now, if he told a story half as well in the ring as he does on the podcast he must have been fantastic.

So yeah, apologies if this comes off as a child asking an adult if they know their 3x tables...

I do here and there. I listen to so many wrestling podcasts that it's hard to get through them all. I was a bigger fan of his brother Robert. Very interesting family that gets overlooked in wrestling history because they never allowed the Apter mags access to their territory.

Nobody ever explained the Bill Apter figure four leg lock thing to me. Do you think it's a sex thing?

It's a really weird Bill Apter thing, but it's not sexual. I think Alter really wishes he could have been a wrestler, so he's acting out some childhood fantasy.

He talked about it in his book which was pretty bleh.

I'll bet he gets some sort of kink out of it.

I wonder who let him do it and who didn't. It would be amazing walking into his office and finding him with a dislocated knee because someone reversed it.

He has/had a belt called The Office World Title or something like that. When he used to wrestle with his friends, his finisher was the Figure 4 so he'd wrestle actual wrestler for his Office World Title and put them in the Figure 4.