Can anyone lend any more insight into the relationship between Vince and Carlos Colon? There’s got to be something going on there, right? Not specifically in relationship to Brody, just in terms of how well WWE has seemingly looked after him in the past? Seemed WWC had a relationship with WWE even when no one else did.

Eric Bischoff looks ancient now... Damn. Everybody is getting so old.

The relationship between the Colons and the McMahons goes back to the 60's when Carlos did shots for Vince McMahon. Add in that Gorilla Monsoon had a large piece of the Puerto Rico territory and the two had a relationship mainly because of Gorilla. After Gorilla died though, the WWF started supporting his rival IWA which was owned by coincidentally enough Victor Quiniones. They would send his camera, audio gear etc...

He still seems "tight" with him. Primo & Epico have had jobs for a decade now. I guess if he really owed him big for something, they might actually get pushed.

Last day of vacation tomorrow and I managed to complete my list, plus watched the Dark Side of Wrestling shows and some 84 Mid South

They also really wanted the WWC tape library which they bought last year.

That makes sense.

A friend of mine showed me some Mid South tapes he had that included a feud between Jim Duggan and Ted Dibiase that started when Duggan got a pair of cufflinks as a reward for being named “wrestler of the year”. Dibiase was pissed because Duggan didn’t even wear shirts.

It was fantastic.

They feud was amazing. Mid South was so great. I'm glad there's a bunch on the Network.

Lmao this sounds fucking amazing

This thread is almost at 9 pages. Amazing.

Hey Gerty. Vito mentioned a few pages ago that wwe took what could've been a quirky card that could've been charming but got the joy wrung out of it. I've never seen the show. What was specifically bad/underwhelming about WM2?

it was in 3 separate locations and, as such, experienced many production-based glitches and the show was generally a clunky mess.

lol Key looks like Mordecai

Oh god it was Vic Grimes. One of Da Baldies. Awful.

Imagine having the NFL player battle royal as your main event.

Remember that time Bret Hart did an interview via satellite, and he was cutting a serious promo while surrounded by fluffy little dogs? I think it was sometime after Wrestlemania 12.

The multiple locations, them going overboard on B list celebrities, too many matches/matches were too short, no build to alot of the matches.

Lol I need to find this

With a Marquee like that? I'm surprised it's not eighteen pages.

What's all this about Dick Murdoch being a Klansman?
Any info on that Gertner?

Gertner what is the worst thing you have heard anybody say in a promo to get heat?

I heard Brian Last tell Jim Cornette that Lanny Poffo once said something like "My opponents are going to feel like they have AIDS when they fight me. I'm turning fruits into vegetables."

That sort of thing.

I don't know if he was actually a Klansman like Killer Karl Kox, but Murdoch was definitely racist. He's also one of my top 3 favourite wrestlers of all time.

Well there's this

Hey Gerty, do you think Vince is past it?

Not completely past it, but he's getting there. I also don't watch the product so it's hard to base an opinion off reading results.

Stockholders have had unwavering faith in him, but I’ve got a feeling it’s going to change. Vince has been making a lot of “promises” he won’t be able to keep. The Raw ratings are becoming more and more of a story. Interesting times.

Ratings don't mean what they did even 10 years ago.

They don't and everybody seems to get that. But APPARENTLY, if they drop too low, it's still a big deal.

Not what they did, but they still obviously matter. More important than the actual share is their place on the rankings and their drop compared to other properties. Then drop in cable year over year is more closely starting to resemble Raw’s weekly drop, as opposed to their yearly one. It’s pretty shocking.

Raw is still the #1 show on USA and ratings across the board in every genre are down and keep dropping. Unfortunately since I don't really follow the product anymore, I don't have any numbers to compare and have zero desire to start watching again. Maybe if Ryback comes back. Message me then lol.

That’s been the case for a while, but recently the drop has widened way more than the drop in other things, I believe. Not sure where Raw places (pretty sure it would be way below Love & Hip Hop or whatever at this point), but SmackDown was down to #7 in demo ratings or something. Pulling that from the back of my memory without checking.

Getting slightly more concerning, if not the most terrible scenario imaginable. Vince is starting to get questions about it and actually promised higher ratings, which seems a weird pledge to make.

Didn't he blame wrestlers absences, even though there really hasn't been any?

Yeah, he did. The latest thing I saw about ratings was they hired a writer from Off Their Rockers and someone else from a comedy show and he said it would turn ratings around. May have been a misquote in the article. I can’t imagine him being so definitive with investors in unsure times.

I should E-mail Vince some of my sweet ideas.

I have a lot of sweet ideas.

Misread what you said about it being #1 on USA, Gerty. Sorry. It is #1 on USA, but #7 on cable or something.

Yeah I'm not too up to date with the numbers nowadays like I used to

Gertner can you think of a particular PPV or run of matches that I need to see? I'm watching the network tonight. Flair/Funk was one I wondered about.

Flair vs Funk is friggen outstanding. My God is it good.

Give Halloween Havoc 90 a shot. Really good ppv with interesting matches.

OK so the Funker it is. Halloween Havoc 90 is one I haven't seen which is odd because old WCW is my shit. I have time for both.

Hey Gertner, I bought a steel chair today. £11... Really I'd have been stupid not to. Should have got a bunch.