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Let's talk about The Miz
Honestly, this guy has been absolutely incredible over the last year. While he's never been the best in-ring worker, I've always liked him for the way he persevered and got past all the shit he got at the start of his career. His promos are amazing, especially his recent ones, and in particular his "shoot" on Talking Smack a while ago when he went off on Daniel Bryan, and his latest online one with Baron Corbin.
The guy has always had a consistent work rate, a good look, and having his Miztourage, as goofy as it is, gives him that sense of importance. He always carries himself well, and his work outside the ring, in terms of promoting the company/charity etc is great, and is a great representative of the WWE brand. Further evidenced by the fact that WWE have faith in him when doing anything that requires him to serve as an ambassador. I'm not saying The Miz should go on to beat Brock Lesnar and Goldberg clean to unify every title in the main event of Wrestlemania, but I think he deserves at least another run as a champion, and certainly should remain prominent in the main event scene. |
He's a top 3 IC Champ of all time with Muraco and a tie between Valentine and Tito.
1. Muraco 2 Miz 3 Valentine/Tito |
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Damn...didn't think Gertner would be so on board.
Anyway, I agree 100p. Miz has been the most underrated guy on the roster since he left the world title scene. He's got a few things other guys don't have these days like the ability to be a pure heel. It's been cool to be an anti hero for 20 years now and everyone flip flops between heel and face and while Miz had a brief face run, he's always been a heel and been damn good at it. His ring work isn't the most exciting, but its solid as a rock and you have to agree with him: in a business where injury is the name of the game, he's there every night. His story is really good too. I remember seeing him on the Real World saying he loved wrestling and his alter ego was "The Miz" and everyone was all "lol...yeah, Mike. You go sit on people's faces. Lol" and then he becomes one of 50 people to hold the top title in the business. I saw him once when he was doing college speech tours after the show and he was really cool. Wanted to ask him what his ideal entrance theme would be but all the girls just wanted to ask about all the people who bang on the show so never got to. |
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He's good but definitely screwed over by the era. He doesn't have any good dance partners. It's either dudes like ZIggler who are YAWWWWN or it's Cena who's just gonna job him out in a boring match.
He's also not one of the best IC champs of all time Gert, that is simply fucking retarded. |
Miz is a good heel. He also gets being a heel. He's probably the best they have. I think he's overrated in the ring, and a large part of why his promos are so good is because he is actually allowed to promo. In an un-scripted era, there were would be a few like him. That being said, we are where we are, Miz gets to do it, and it stands out.
I don't have any desire to see him with a World Title. I just don't think that's his role, and it hurts him to be put into that position. I like him with the IC Title. |
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He’s a tremendous heel, probably the best heel in almost a decade, but I just don’t agree that it puts him as the number 2 IC champ of all time. You and i have totally different tastes in wrestling tho, so there’s no point in arguing about it. To each his own |
I like how Miz is on the list before Randy Savage lol
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Miz has made the IC title mean something in an era where WWE titles mean nothing. Not saying Miz is a better talent than Savage, but he's done more for the title in his era than most other contenders.
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I wish he was a manager
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I think his in ring work has been really good the last couple years.
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Bores me to tears. Cant force myself to care about anything he does
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Oh please. Stop it.
When he's 50 he's gonna make a fantastic manager, too. |
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Miz is closing in on Muraco and Morales for holding the IC title the most combined days. That's impressive.
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Best IC champs based on hotness of Valet
1-Val Venis and Trish 2-Miz and Maryse 3-Randy Savage with Miss Elizabeth (fuck you Luger) |
Miss Elizabeth wasn't hot.
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She was 80s hawt
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Maryse > Trish
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Shisen is a traitor and admits that Canada #1 |
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Yeah, I haven't seen too many people talking about how good he is
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He is one of the guys who I don't fast forward through. If he was better in the ring and had a true opponent he could be top 5. He is money on the mic. I think by putting him in the world title scene when they did they halted his career cuz he wasnt ready. He isn't better than the IC division but he is e best of the midcard.
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I've been onboard with Miz from the start I think.
Would not mind seeing him as World Champ. Just can't imagine him beating Brock Lesnar without nWo levels of interference and screw-jobbery. I also enjoy him in the ring. |
The Miz is tight.
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Miz is amazing but not good enough to hold the Raw title. He could hold the Smackdown title though. But hell, that standard isn't very hard to reach.
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Not like the Miz has had any memorable feuds as IC champ. He's had moments and is a great performer. But the Miz's best moments don't come close to Savage's. |
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Miz also stands out because no one is allowed to do what he does. I mean, he's a good talker, that's fairly indisputable, but he's also one of the few guys that seems to have the freedom to go out there and talk. There's an argument that he's earned that freedom. But how good a promo would he really be considered if there were two other people cutting authentic ones either side of him?
He really benefits from the era, where there aren't any stars, and you don't really have to look the part and he gets to play the part. Going back to his WWE Title run in 2011, look at how quickly he was booted out of the main event by CM Punk, who cut him down as a catchphrase so fucking quickly. |
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Miss Elizabeth was a handsome woman.
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Who does everyone see dethroning The Miz?
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Miz is great. Just... maybe don't push him on top. I'm no workrate snob but you've gotta have SOME and he does not. He's fine working midcard feuds with shorter matches and he should be a great manager one day. Never let him main event a WrestleMania again though.
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I also think he could make a great commentator. It wouldn't surprise me if he and Corey Graves are parallel color guys at some point.
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Jordan's a good bet. I thought they were going to give him a run around SummerSlam. My money is on Finn Balor at the moment.
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He's been incredible for longer than a year.
He's serving his purpose to be honest. He's right where he should be and gets ton of camera time and work. |
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Heres the thing tho...it wont. No matter how much people agree that he is hotnright now and on a good run there's still one issue: he has no credibility. Everyone has beaten him for a decade. Itll just be another title change.
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I think it's just "head canon," but I think it will mean a little bit more than it normally would. Not "a lot," but it will be odd to see someone else with the belt, since The Miz has established a nice little association with it. I mean, yeah, he's dropped it so many times at this point, but I think this is his heaviest run.
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I hope that however he loses it, that he snaps.
No, not the requisite "become a badass submission machine", but just completely loses his shit. He's wrapped up so much of his identity in being IC champion, especially on this run, that he could use it as a catalyst to freshen up again. Gets told he has to get to the "back of the line". He becomes inconsolable by the Miztourage. Stops giving a fuck how he looks. He starts kicking much ass and gets DQ's and ref reversed decisions for a hot minute. Becomes serious-pants obsessed with regaining the title... or ANY title. Hell, it could even be a gateway where he steps back up to main event, but not really neccessary. |
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IWC booking one-oh-one
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Miz would be hilarious playing tough though. It would be so unbelievable.
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I love Miz love everything about huis current run he's not lying about the relevance he has given the IC belt. That said since I can't have my Nakamura's V Miz's face I want Joe to be the guy to take it from him. I think having Joe hold it as damn near unbeatable(the Brock of IC title scene basically) would make it mean more if Jordan or Balor takes it off of him instead of Miz but first having Miz live in mortal fear of Joe and pretty much running for the hills or just barely getting away with the belt for a while would be fun.
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You have to admit that The Miz is easily one of the best workers WWE has had in quite a while. He is one of the few reasons to keep watching.
He will be a Awesome manager at the end of his ring career. |
I don't really like The Miz but it's pretty much because I find his character annoying af. But then I suppose that means he is doing a great job. It's confusing.
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Would you pay money to see him lose? Or would you rather watch something else when he is on?
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On one hand, no, I wouldn't want to pay money to see Miz beat up because, quite frankly, I'm sick of seeing him chew up so much screen time. It's getting to Hunter's "Reign of Terror" levels of exposure, and he gets trounced on the regular (except when it counts, of course) so it isn't quite so reserved a pleasure to see him get his ass kicked. However, he is the one doing the most work to actually get people to want to see him get his. In the realm of "being a heel is a lost art", he is quite masterful in an era of heels getting over as faces ironically, generic heel heat being dished out like candy, heel turns for no reason, and heels who are somehow supposed to be heels by osmosis. He's carrying the heel side of the show mostly alone. A close second is really Paul Heyman, but Heyman is an advocate for an amoral loner tweener prizefighter, and is generally only truly a situational heel. Then there's Roman, but that's more the super transparent bid to make him the be-all end-all than him actually being a heel. Braun was supposed to be one just because "big and menacing". But because he kicked much ass on the regular and won more than he lost, he got over as a face in Steve Austin fashion. Funny how that works. Enzo was more out this petty punishment whatever, but he's the cruiserweight division heel, so who really gives a shit since nobody watches 205 Live? Bray? Weeks of cryptic promos just to lose ALL THE TIME does not a menace make. Miz doesn't quite have "X-Pac heat" with me, but it is getting there mainly because of how much I'm seeing the guy as opposed to what he's doing being the shits, because it truly isn't. Miz just needs help in the form of properly booked heels being elsewhere. |
Good answer.
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haha thats the troupe yeah
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I'm going to be honest.
Although I haven't watched WWE programming in years, I still watch segments on YouTube on regular occasion. Many of those segments involve The Miz. I'm not a huge fan of his wrestling, but his promos are excellent. |
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