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Mr. Nerfect 02-03-2022 05:06 AM

There’s no excuse for it, but it possibly comes from a place of ignorance, not hate. Maybe. Hopefully.

Sepholio 02-03-2022 05:12 AM

I see a lot of people online saying how this isn't fair and this cancel culture stuff has to stop. It was 10 years ago, get over it. Things like that.

Ironically there is about a 98% overlap in the group saying that and people who were celebrating literally yesterday when Whoopie got suspended.

Ol Dirty Dastard 02-03-2022 05:57 AM

Fkn reptilians getting in the way of decent six minute tv match

Sepholio 02-03-2022 05:58 AM

Wait....Brian Kendrick made a movie about all this crazy shit. I have to see this now.

Mr. Nerfect 02-03-2022 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seph (Post 5521038)
I see a lot of people online saying how this isn't fair and this cancel culture stuff has to stop. It was 10 years ago, get over it. Things like that.

Ironically there is about a 98% overlap in the group saying that and people who were celebrating literally yesterday when Whoopie got suspended.

No one is entitled to a platform. Plus it can also be a business decision. If promotions don’t feel it is worth their while to promote someone with controversial takes, they aren’t obligated to use them.

Fignuts 02-03-2022 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil Vito (Post 5520831)
I see a lot of people defending it as "well it was 10 years ago! He might've changed."

Which I understand. But if his views had fundamentally changed between now and then, he'd have at least said something about once holding those horrible views. The big trick everyone tries to pull with "it's a long time ago" is to get you to ignore the many intervening years where the person could have apologized, atoned, or demonstrated personal growth.

Do you remember every stupid thing you said when you were in your 20's?

drave 02-03-2022 09:13 AM

I definitely said AND did stupid shit I wouldn't do today.




Fuck you, me from the past!!!

Evil Vito 02-03-2022 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5521066)
Do you remember every stupid thing you said when you were in your 20's?

Of course I don't. But that's an irrelevant argument seeing as I'm not a public figure who decided to put these views out on video for everyone to see.

Beyond all that, he wasn't in his 20's. He was 32 years old denying the Holocaust on camera.

Evil Vito 02-03-2022 09:35 AM

It's no surprise that a stoner idiot, in the extended adolescent bubble of professional wrestling, would be into David Icke, and nonsense like that.

But even when you're dabbling in any aspect of that nonsense, there's a point where you have to draw a line, say "this isn't fun any more", and recognize that what you're espousing to the public isn't just abject bullshit, but hateful, dangerous and morally repugnant. Holocaust denial is a good few miles beyond that line FFS.

When you talk about the Holocaust, Sandy Hook and 9/11 like that and then say it was “never” your beliefs when you were recorded doing so and had a whole video of you specifically saying so, that’s a certain level of - well, not taking any responsibility.

Fignuts 02-03-2022 09:54 AM

Not denying that it was a shitty thing to say, or that it shouldn't be called out. Just saying it's unfair to say he should have remembered and apologized for a decade old interview he did where he was likely so high that he didn't remember doing it the next day.

He should address it now, but he shouldn't be automatically be deleted from existence which is the main problem with cancel culture.

drave 02-03-2022 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5521075)
Not denying that it was a shitty thing to say, or that it shouldn't be called out. Just saying it's unfair to say he should have remembered and apologized for a decade old interview he did where he was likely so high that he didn't remember doing it the next day.

He should address it now, but he shouldn't be automatically be deleted from existence which is the main problem with cancel culture.


Can't wait till it cancels itself. Also, Dan fucking Lambert is AMAZING on the mic. Underlined part reminded me of his promo with Brandi Rhodes last night

Fignuts 02-03-2022 10:18 AM

He is, but he's been kind of one note. Just saying the same things over and over.

drave 02-03-2022 10:24 AM

As are most "conservative" talking points, fictional or not. This was the 1st time I've heard him, but can easily see how quickly it is stale due to the same 1-3 talking points.

Evil Vito 02-03-2022 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5521075)
He should address it now, but he shouldn't be automatically be deleted from existence which is the main problem with cancel culture.

I don't think he needs to be deleted from existence, I think pulling him off of last night's show was the right call and in addition to his Twitter apology I imagine the company will have him do some sort sensitivity training or whatever.

I wouldn't expect him to be "benched" for long. Probably at least 3 weeks because I can't imagine them throwing him out there in Bridgeport, all of 20 min away from Sandy Hook, but I could see him appearing for the company in March.

Def don't think people should be permanently deplatformed unless they do something especially heinous, the sex pests in the business are a far bigger issue IMO.

Wehttam 02-03-2022 10:47 AM

did they already sign him? thought it was one of those one-off appearances that would probably have led to a "...IS ALL ELITE"

Fignuts 02-03-2022 11:14 AM

I think the sensitivity training is the dumbest fucking shit about this type of thing. If the person was offensive recently sure, that makes sense. But making someone go for something they said over a decade ago is outright admitting you're not going to even entertain the idea that this person has grown and changed since then. I realize aew knows this and would do it for the optics, but it's shitty and again, unfair that they feel they'd need to.

slik 02-03-2022 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wehttam (Post 5521093)
did they already sign him? thought it was one of those one-off appearances that would probably have led to a "...IS ALL ELITE"

Just a one-off appearance

Triple A 02-03-2022 12:09 PM

Feel like he probably would have gotten a tryout as a coach after a couple of matches

I doubt they bring him back now because the PR hit wouldn't be worth it

Mr. Nerfect 02-03-2022 01:50 PM

Can we talk about Kendrick’s haunting appearance on The Price is Right?

Mr. Nerfect 02-04-2022 06:17 PM

If you’re worried about AEW’s ratings dipping even with the heavily pushed MJF vs. Punk match, never fear — Tony Khan has announced more signings are coming. More, MORE!

Lock Jaw 02-04-2022 07:41 PM

https://i.imgur.com/tg2DbvP.jpeg

What a twist!!!

Mr. Nerfect 02-04-2022 10:31 PM

TK couldn’t pay me enough.

ron the dial 02-04-2022 10:52 PM

well that's just silly

Lock Jaw 02-04-2022 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5521615)
TK couldn’t pay me enough.

Everybody's got a price! HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA

slik 02-04-2022 11:26 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As referenced on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWRampage?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWRampage</a>, I have a surprise: on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> Live on <a href="https://twitter.com/TBSNetwork?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TBSNetwork</a> a top wrestler will walk through the Forbidden Door this Wednesday and debut in <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEW</a>. More info to come. Thank you to everyone who joined us for a great Rampage tonight! See you Wednesday on TBS!</p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1489816735943475200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Mr. Nerfect 02-04-2022 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5521627)
Everybody's got a price! HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA

Unfortunately Ted DiBiase isn’t exactly writing cheques at the moment.

slik 02-04-2022 11:53 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">With a great showing in tonight’s <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWRampage?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWRampage</a> TNT Title bout <a href="https://twitter.com/IsiahKassidy?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IsiahKassidy</a> has earned a qualifying match for a spot in the Face of the Revolution ladder match with a TNT Title shot at stake! His opponent will debut Wednesday + sign a contract with AEW!<br>Isiah vs ? on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a>! <a href="https://t.co/298rzWyfe6">pic.twitter.com/298rzWyfe6</a></p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1489822465379426304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

xrodmuc316 02-05-2022 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slikhausen (Post 5521641)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As referenced on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWRampage?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWRampage</a>, I have a surprise: on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> Live on <a href="https://twitter.com/TBSNetwork?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TBSNetwork</a> a top wrestler will walk through the Forbidden Door this Wednesday and debut in <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEW</a>. More info to come. Thank you to everyone who joined us for a great Rampage tonight! See you Wednesday on TBS!</p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1489816735943475200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Under 1 million for 1 week, and TK already bugging his dad for money to buy new wrestlers. :rofl:

XL 02-05-2022 05:13 AM

So, Keith Lee?

Sting Fan 02-05-2022 05:24 AM

Gosh I hope so.

Maluco 02-05-2022 08:23 AM

Surely Forbidden Door refers to someone appearing on a show of a promotion when contracted to another? It’s not forbidden if the person is a free agent!

This is why people can’t get into AEW, it’s all overhype and underwhelm. A TOP wrestler, FORBIDDEN door….and it’s Keith Lee. A guy the bigger company decided wasn’t worth his contract.

If they would stop click baiting and ANNOUNCING things, the product might speak for itself. Tony Khan needs to shut up.

Sepholio 02-05-2022 08:34 AM

Yeah I'm not the least bit interested by another signing right now. Just means less time for someone else at this point.

XL 02-05-2022 08:48 AM

Yeah the Forbidden Door™ probably suggests it’s someone from another promotion rather than a free agent, unless it’s become a catch all for “coming into AEW”.

Fignuts 02-05-2022 08:54 AM

Equally underwhelming would be if his definition of top guy is a top guy in his respective company. Cause if it's not njpw, then top guy doesn't mean anything.

Sepholio 02-05-2022 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5521677)
Equally underwhelming would be if his definition of top guy is a top guy in his respective company. Cause if it's not njpw, then top guy doesn't mean anything.

I'm thinking someone from ROH maybe.

Supreme Olajuwon 02-05-2022 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5521615)
TK couldn’t pay me enough.

I dunno about that. You give him all your time and attention now for free.

Sepholio 02-05-2022 10:05 AM

Gonna laugh when the forbidden door swings open and it's FREE AGENT CODY RHODES!

Lock Jaw 02-05-2022 10:12 AM

The Forbidden Door is probably Mickie James in a "look, we can do it too" maneuver

The other mystery opponent making their debut is probably Keith Lee

Evil Vito 02-05-2022 10:20 AM

HERE COMES THE MONEY

Lock Jaw 02-05-2022 10:22 AM

Money talks.

What if Shane buys AEW and there is some sort of "invasion" angle?!


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