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Gerard 09-19-2021 01:26 PM

I think after this epsiode a lot of "the boys" will be shitting bricks if their past shenanigans get brought up in one of these episodes.

xrodmuc316 09-19-2021 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Gertner of TPWW (Post 5480874)
I don't think they pay people

Tony Khan is, with the 2 conditions that his talent can mention "Dark Side" on his tv show in angles, and that the show just BURIES WWE at every chance.

Noid 09-19-2021 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seanny One Ball (Post 5480927)
The real Noid wouldn’t have said that in two lines.

I am very concise.

Stu Hart 09-19-2021 04:15 PM

Brutus Beefcake made a statement in a shoot interview that Shawn and Marty "h=bombed" then raped women in hotels.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">More wild stories resurfacing coming out of this week’s <a href="https://twitter.com/DarkSideOfRing?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DarkSideOfRing</a> ! This time about Shawn Michaels &amp; Marty dating raping people and tossing their bodies in the hotel hallways �� <a href="https://t.co/7YoMJOQuwD">pic.twitter.com/7YoMJOQuwD</a></p>&mdash; Ringside News (@ringsidenews_) <a href="https://twitter.com/ringsidenews_/status/1438922873817681920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bad News Gertner 09-19-2021 05:58 PM

Lol oh God, the only Timeline I couldn't finish. Beefcake told so many yarns, but I can definitely believe that one

Mr. Nerfect 09-19-2021 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IC Champion (Post 5480947)
Imagine surprised to learn Ric Flair is a possible sexual predator.

I don’t think people are surprised about learning that.

Seanny One Ball 09-19-2021 10:23 PM

Shawn Michaels has to be shitting himself.

Sid will be shitting himself for season 4.
That stabbing is an all-time incident.
People will talk...

Bad News Gertner 09-19-2021 11:35 PM

I love that people blame Sid because Arn is a better in ring worker

Bad News Gertner 09-20-2021 12:17 AM

All this stuff is just zapping my enthusiasm for wrestling. Not so much as what they did. More that this is going to be a gigantic topic that's not going away which will and already is turning into a witch hunt

Sting Fan 09-20-2021 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Emperor Smeat (Post 5480569)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here’s a video of Ric Flair flashing flight attendants being portrayed in two separate WWE productions—the &quot;30 For 30” episode they co-produced with ESPN and an episode of Story Time on WWE Network—as a happy fun time worthy of happy fun time cartoon portrayals with jaunty music. <a href="https://t.co/IzTqiUaVHH">pic.twitter.com/IzTqiUaVHH</a></p>&mdash; David Bixenspan (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1438690453222825986?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The stuff about Ric Flair's infamous antics during the flight isn't that surprising since even both WWE and ESPN mentioned that being a habit of his before in recent shows they've produced but what made Dark Side's episode way more damaging was them managing to actually get the flight attendant who was harassed by him for their show. That turned his antics from being something of an immature gag and chuckle to something way more serious in tone.

Only reason the current heat on Flair isn't even bigger is due to Dreamer taking some of the spotlight away because of his moronic takes over the incident.

You watch that cartoon and its somewhere between a consensual laugh that the flight attendant initiated or at least consented to or an in character boast by Flair. Having not seen the DOSTR episode yet I'm assuming its a shit load darker than that.

M-A-G 09-20-2021 12:36 AM

If this show brings an end to the business because enough people are just disgusted with the stuff like this episode covered, I'm all for it.

BigCrippyZ 09-20-2021 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Seanny One Ball (Post 5480915)
You can’t blame the audience for off-screen incidents.
I love wrestling but I’m not putting old men on a pedestal when it comes down to this sort of thing.
I fully expect Shawn Michaels to get what’s coming to him soon enough. I mean you can only shave so many heads after date rape before somebody speaks up in front of a camera that films HD.

They’ll find a victim eventually.

Hell, unlike Nerfect here, I'm not putting a young person on a pedestal or giving them an excuse, when it comes to sexual assault, violence, or harassment, no matter when or how long ago it was.

You know... because somehow Lesnar's behavior might somehow have "an explanation for why", even if it's "not an excuse", because he was "he was basically an impressionable kid in a ridiculous culture".

Damn. If only Lesnar had been gifted with both the necessary character AND the ability to actually physically stop the bullshit he was witnessing. Too bad as an actual adult in a difficult situation he only had the physical skills and not the character and balls to do the right thing, never mind not actually allegedly participating in it.

Fuck off with that bullshit, Nerfect, you pathetic, moron, POS, hypocrite.

Sting Fan 09-20-2021 03:28 AM

Just watched... Man... What a watch.

The airhostess was so genuine in her approach, struck me during her Hall section she said she was afraid then backtracked for fear it was too strong of a word. Im 6 Foot tall, 115 KG and if a guy the size of Hall grabbed me on a flight full of his mates and threatened me mid Atlantic I would be shitting myself!

As well as the obvious things said about people RVD saying he saw Flair accosting (for lack of a stronger term?) the Airhostess and doing nothing is extremely disappointing to say the least.

The Airhostesses being present while Flairs carrying on his "act" mid aisle is bad but I can see how you might in that toxic culture let it go but watching him corner her and proposition her naked is well and truly across the line.

Jim Ross seems genuinely upset and remorseful that he was in charge of that culture while also sounding somewhat powerless to fix it. How do you fix a culture like that when the "made guys" get a pass...

Fignuts 09-20-2021 09:26 AM

Dreamer's apology comes off like that of a corporate entity.

drave 09-20-2021 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Gertner of TPWW (Post 5481061)
All this stuff is just zapping my enthusiasm for wrestling. Not so much as what they did. More that this is going to be a gigantic topic that's not going away which will and already is turning into a witch hunt




This is why the show will be dropped / canceled. They will start to run with stories that "get too close" and "fuck you" money will win.

Bad News Gertner 09-20-2021 10:20 AM

Like digging an old clip from a Brutus Beefcake interview lol. Brutus also said in that interview that he was white hot as a heel before the barber gimmick and the barber gimmick ruined him.

Gerard 09-20-2021 11:18 AM

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Jordan 09-20-2021 12:59 PM

It's okay Jericho has FORGIVEN Tommy Dreamer on Instagram!

Gerard 09-20-2021 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan X (Post 5481178)
It's okay Jericho has FORGIVEN Tommy Dreamer on Instagram!

Is that like the equivilant of saying "nigger" and going to the lord of black people Al Sharpton and asking for forgiveness? :shifty:

M-A-G 09-20-2021 02:01 PM

Chris Jericho is the Emperor of the Back of the Bus.

Mr. Nerfect 09-20-2021 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Gertner of TPWW (Post 5481046)
I love that people blame Sid because Arn is a better in ring worker

This is one of the weirdest things about wrestling fandom. If you’re good in the ring and people like your on-air content, people will make all sorts of weird assumptions about your personality. It happens all the time, and it happens with entire promotions too.

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Originally Posted by M-A-G (Post 5481068)
If this show brings an end to the business because enough people are just disgusted with the stuff like this episode covered, I'm all for it.

Agreed. Like the circus, an industry just being too carny to survive is not impossible.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCrippyZ (Post 5481104)
Hell, unlike Nerfect here, I'm not putting a young person on a pedestal or giving them an excuse, when it comes to sexual assault, violence, or harassment, no matter when or how long ago it was.

You know... because somehow Lesnar's behavior might somehow have "an explanation for why", even if it's "not an excuse", because he was "he was basically an impressionable kid in a ridiculous culture".

Damn. If only Lesnar had been gifted with both the necessary character AND the ability to actually physically stop the bullshit he was witnessing. Too bad as an actual adult in a difficult situation he only had the physical skills and not the character and balls to do the right thing, never mind not actually allegedly participating in it.

Fuck off with that bullshit, Nerfect, you pathetic, moron, POS, hypocrite.

Hahaha, there’s no way you’re an actual lawyer.

* You’ve never displayed any actual knowledge that isn’t general knowledge or easily accessible over Google.

* You’re incapable of making a reasonable argument and let your immature and insecure bias overtake every point you ever make.

* You can barely even read or interpret what people have said and why.

I wasn’t defending Brock, you muppet. I was answering #fan’s actual question and explaining why people are more mad at a 50-whatever man talking shit in 2021 than a 24 year old kid in his first month or so in a new job then.

You are a perfect example of what Gertner was talking about re: Arn/Sid. If it were an AEW wrestler who did any of those things, you actually wouldn’t condemn it at all. You hate Vince/WWE so much, because you’re still a mark who falls for the babyface/heel paradigm, you actually latch onto gross shit like this to defend your insecure fandom and target people you want to see fail. Don’t you ever call ANYONE else a hypocrite.

You’re a fake lawyer, a fake person, a bad take and riddled with bad taste. Every time to try and mouth off to me, I absolutely destroy you. Even people in the AEW thread admit you’re an embarrassment to the fandom. Stop trying to hang with the big boys. You are just not fucking smart enough.

Quote:

Originally Posted by drave (Post 5481158)
This is why the show will be dropped / canceled. They will start to run with stories that "get too close" and "fuck you" money will win.

Nah. They covered Vince McMahon covering up a murder. People seem to be rabid and ready for this sort of thing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan X (Post 5481178)
It's okay Jericho has FORGIVEN Tommy Dreamer on Instagram!

Jericho himself is going to end up canceled one day, so he better just keep watching his own shadow, to be honest.

Seanny One Ball 09-20-2021 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Gertner of TPWW (Post 5481046)
I love that people blame Sid because Arn is a better in ring worker


I think people just preferred Arn as a person too.
The version I’ve heard the most is Sid turns up at Arn’s door with a chair arm or leg and when he gets there he throws it away but Arn comes out and stabs him with some scissors.
Sid gets hold of the scissors and just pokes Arn full of holes until he nearly kills him.

Sepholio 09-20-2021 07:18 PM

Interesting that they mentioned that Vince and Linda were on board the plane. Multiple people referenced them being there in the episode if I'm not mistaken. But the reality was they weren't even on that flight. Makes me wonder what else was embellished for the sake of the show tbh.

Sepholio 09-20-2021 07:21 PM

I imagine they were probably merging multiple plane ride stories all into the plane ride from hell. Seems like they are getting things mixed up with the flight that Vince and Kurt Angle were fighting on and when Michael Hayes was so shit faced he tried to pee on Linda or whatever.

Supreme Olajuwon 09-20-2021 07:48 PM

Hmm. A famous rich, white dude gets accused of sexual harassment. I wonder if his fans will try to discredit the victim

Supreme Olajuwon 09-20-2021 07:48 PM

Oh boy…

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Damian Rey 2.0 09-20-2021 10:06 PM

She might’ve done some bad things, therefore Flair waving his dick at her and possibly forcing to touch it while cornering her is ok

xrodmuc316 09-20-2021 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon (Post 5481266)
Oh boy…

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">People found this about Heidi Doyle <a href="https://t.co/tGYHkzopQD">https://t.co/tGYHkzopQD</a> <a href="https://t.co/OFX0yLQEr8">pic.twitter.com/OFX0yLQEr8</a></p>&mdash; SoDuTw (@SoDuTw) <a href="https://twitter.com/SoDuTw/status/1439642888493805568?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 19, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Like it or not, but that itself will be enough for some people to assume it was nothing but a cash grab. Its unfortunate but discrediting the accuser is commonplace.

Bad News Gertner 09-20-2021 10:18 PM

Dreamer was right!

#FreeDreamer

Seanny One Ball 09-20-2021 11:57 PM

I bet robbing antique shops consistently leads to irreplaceable damages.

Hang her.

Mr. Nerfect 09-21-2021 12:41 AM

Gotta discredit those victims.

#1-norm-fan 09-21-2021 12:50 AM

Based on this new evidence, Tommy Dreamer’s TPWW Thursday Night Watch-along suspension has been lifted.

Sepholio 09-21-2021 12:56 AM

Tommy Dreamer was an innocent victim of cancel culture and his glory will be restored on TPWW THURSDAY NIGHT MULKEYMANIA!

Mr. Nerfect 09-21-2021 06:06 AM

Can we just cancel Tommy Dreamer anyway?

Jordan 09-21-2021 09:49 AM

So it is true that Ric didn't make her touch his penis and that Scott Hall didn't lick her or grab for her boobs. And it is true that Tommy Dreamer fights for the rights of everyman. This woman is a NEWS REPORTED BURGLAR, she DOES NOT TELL THE TRUTH.

#1-norm-fan 09-21-2021 10:44 AM

She is banned from all future TPWW Thursday Night Watch-alongs.

Big Vic 09-21-2021 01:53 PM

Wait guys this proves that Ric did it

https://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugsho...ts/ric-flair-0

Jordan 09-21-2021 02:08 PM

Goddamn now I am torn, did Flair do it because he was accused of assault and damage to a car? Or did the flight attendant LIE because she was accused of BUGLARY, a heinous crime worse than some assaults?

And how does Tommy Dreamer begin to build a life in a post canceled society if indeed Ric Flair did not do it because the flight attendant has a serious criminal history?

Will Dreamer be able to return to his employers or with the IMPACT of his words have left a bruise too deep?

Will Shawn Michaels be remembered as the HEART BREAK RAPIST? Or will the stories amount to nothing because he is a "made man"?

drave 09-21-2021 02:29 PM

TUNE IN NEXT WEEK TO FIND OUT THE ANSWERS TO THESE BURNING QUESTIONS AND MORE!!!1!!one!

Gerard 09-21-2021 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon (Post 5481266)
Oh boy…

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Maybe she was in looking for a cock like flairs, antique....:shifty:


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