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TheFallenOneX 05-30-2019 10:04 AM

Cornette Rants about Double or Nothing
 
It's exactly how you expect it to go......


https://art19.com/shows/jim-cornette...d-441344324366

Ol Dirty Dastard 05-30-2019 10:09 AM

In fairness, he's not the only one to hate everything up until the 3 mains -- they'd be wise to listen to at least some of Jimmy's criticism.

Ol Dirty Dastard 05-30-2019 10:23 AM

Though just ignore everything he says about Kenny lol

Jordan 05-30-2019 10:27 AM

I'm listening now. I highly doubt there is a show that he would like tbh... he comes of as such a wrestling elitist but I do love listening to him and I do respect him.

His distain for Omega is ludacris, the battle royal did suck and I'm glad he called out Marvez on his performance. He did like a lot about the show but overall his negativity out weighs.

Jordan 05-30-2019 10:28 AM

The worst part is his podcast partner agrees with literally everything Jim says.

Ol Dirty Dastard 05-30-2019 10:30 AM

Agree with him 100% about XCalibur getting rid of the fucking mask. He looks like such a damned goober.

Evil Vito 05-30-2019 10:34 AM

The stuff he disliked isn't a surprise since he seems to hate everything that isn't decades out of date.

Ol Dirty Dastard 05-30-2019 10:35 AM

I liked all 3 main events which were all I watched.

Jim's negatives are a bit much but even in the most outlandish critiques, there are some very valid points. However, given the Bucks and Omega are the forefathers of AEW and Cornette despises them, it's going to be tough to get good reviews from him.

Evil Vito 05-30-2019 10:45 AM

I do agree with him on Marvez. He was awful.

Couldn't care less about the optics of Excalibur wearing a mask. He was the best part of commentary.

Jordan 05-30-2019 10:47 AM

I loved the show, I've seen it 3 times actually, not all viewings were as intent as the live show of course... I think the Battle Royal was a really bad idea in retrospect, especially having a top contender come from that lot of ... misfits. Also a really bad way to start the company. The inclusion is great but Cornette was right, the no legs gimmick in a match to determine your top contender... Orange Cassidy.... all of those looong shots, it was a bad idea. Thankfully Moxley didn't debut in that garbage. Plus they busted their own gimmick and had 22 people enter. We didn't need Cutler. I'm already sick of Cutler being there cause he goes back with the Bucks.

Ol Dirty Dastard 05-30-2019 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Conspiracy Victim Vito (Post 5257066)
I do agree with him on Marvez. He was awful.

Couldn't care less about the optics of Excalibur wearing a mask. He was the best part of commentary.

You should care about the optics. He looks like a fucking twat. I liked a lot of what he was saying though but I don't think when you're trying to establish yourself as a 'sport' centric organization, your color guy should be a gimmick.

slik 05-30-2019 10:53 AM

I don't mind the mask

I 100% agree on Marvez though, if he doesn't shape up on the next few shows I would suggest moving him to a interviewer role alongside Alicia.

Camera work I assume will work itself out over time, I expected some 'growing pains'. I don't agree w/ Cornette on everything but I think his input is valuable and he wants them to do well.

slik 05-30-2019 10:54 AM

I just assume all the EVPs and Tony have rewatched the show repeatedly and taken notes/had meetings about what worked/didn't work

AEW seems well organized on that end is my perception.

Big Vic 05-30-2019 11:06 AM

Jim Cornette has been irrelevant for over a decade.

Big Vic 05-30-2019 11:10 AM

I wonder what "Tank Toland" and "Carmella Decesare" thought about AEW.

Jordan 05-30-2019 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Vic (Post 5257085)
Jim Cornette has been irrelevant for over a decade.

You could argue longer but his podcast has made him relevant in that wrestling fans enjoy listening to his rants about why everything sucks. The thing that's annoying about Jim is that in his critique he slams people for doing the same shit he's done or been apart of. He caught himself on this episode when him and his podcast partner were ripping on a 3 person announce booth then Jim realized he was on a 3 person announce booth for the Crockett Cup and that people like it. There is no black and white right and wrong in pro wrestling, it depends on the moment.

Evil Vito 05-30-2019 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dastardly One (Post 5257069)
You should care about the optics. He looks like a fucking twat. I liked a lot of what he was saying though but I don't think when you're trying to establish yourself as a 'sport' centric organization, your color guy should be a gimmick.

I don't see him as a gimmick just because he wears a mask. It has no bearing on his commentary ability.

Color commentators in sports are almost always former players of that particular sport. This is no exception.

Evil Vito 05-30-2019 11:23 AM

#MaskedLivesMatter

Jordan 05-30-2019 11:28 AM

I like Excalibur a lot, and I don't mind him in a mask. I think it's cool.

Ol Dirty Dastard 05-30-2019 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Conspiracy Victim Vito (Post 5257091)
I don't see him as a gimmick just because he wears a mask. It has no bearing on his commentary ability.

Color commentators in sports are almost always former players of that particular sport. This is no exception.

I get that. But I don't see Tracy McGrady turning up to the commentating booth in his ball gear. And X isn't really enough of a name that it doesn't seem stupid. If it were Rey Misterio I'd get it though still not be overly fond of it. This isn't a knock on his commentating either - I liked him better here than I did at All In. I just hate the presentation.

Jordan 05-30-2019 11:30 AM

Like I really like the cut to the booth and seeing a masked wrestler with a headset, very much what I'd expect in a wrestling comic book or something. AEW brass clearly have a thing for the masked wrestler and it is something that hasn't been used very much since the 80's.

Nicky Fives 05-30-2019 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan X (Post 5257088)
You could argue longer but his podcast has made him relevant in that wrestling fans enjoy listening to his rants about why everything sucks. The thing that's annoying about Jim is that in his critique he slams people for doing the same shit he's done or been apart of. He caught himself on this episode when him and his podcast partner were ripping on a 3 person announce booth then Jim realized he was on a 3 person announce booth for the Crockett Cup and that people like it. There is no black and white right and wrong in pro wrestling, it depends on the moment.

It wasn't his choice to be on the 3 man booth....I agreed with pretty much everything he said regarding the show, his opinions and dislike are often quite stronger than my own, but that's kinda his thing. The battle royal was absolutely terrible, easily what I hated the most about the show.

Jordan 05-30-2019 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicky Fives (Post 5257099)
It wasn't his choice to be on the 3 man booth....I agreed with pretty much everything he said regarding the show, his opinions and dislike are often quite stronger than my own, but that's kinda his thing. The battle royal was absolutely terrible, easily what I hated the most about the show.

Do you like The Young Bucks and Kenny? I'd like to see a quick review of your thoughts...

#1-norm-fan 05-30-2019 12:09 PM

The first thing I saw grime AEW was when I tuned into the pre-show and saw Marvez start to speak before getting cut off by Excalibur and then awkwardly stand there looking lost. Laughed out loud. Cornette’s ransom video analogy was spot-on.

XL 05-30-2019 12:12 PM

“Guy Who’s Main Bread & Butter Is Ranting About Wrestling Rants About Wrestling Show Shock”

#1-norm-fan 05-30-2019 12:14 PM

And yeah, considering how AEW pushed wins and losses mattering and putting more focus on the sports aspect and less on the backstage drama, that battle royal was counterproductive from the get-go. They need to decide if they wanna come off as serious or hokey comedy. You can’t do both.

slik 05-30-2019 01:34 PM

I like the Vegas lounge music they used for Double Or Nothing

Anyone else?

RP 05-30-2019 01:39 PM

I thought Jericho looked like shit and it ruined the main event. Dude is getting paid a lot of money. He should be in shape. He looked like Mickey Rourke in The Wrestler.

Destor 05-30-2019 01:52 PM

He's actually actively trying to make his body look like that. I completely agree its a shit look and he should stop but he's literally working to make himself look that way.

Destor 05-30-2019 01:52 PM

He says the rotund barrel gut look traditionally commands respect in Japan and makes getting heat easier in the states.

Nicky Fives 05-30-2019 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan X (Post 5257102)
Do you like The Young Bucks and Kenny? I'd like to see a quick review of your thoughts...

The Young Bucks are spot monkeys. They will be nothing more. They are a great team and have a spot on my card in the typical "spot monkey" match. One match a card of that style is all I can take.

I'm hit and miss with Omega, but I don't follow independent wrestling as much as I should, but from what I have seen I agree with Cornette more than not. I don't see how he can be a face, he doesn't feel super intimidating and his voice is weird. And this is all coming from a fellow Canadian. The comparison to him and Seth Rollins is laughable.

Ol Dirty Dastard 05-30-2019 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5257143)
He says the rotund barrel gut look traditionally commands respect in Japan and makes getting heat easier in the states.

Yeah he's talked about it and I kind of enjoy it.

Evil Vito 05-30-2019 02:09 PM

Next time I take a few weeks off of the gym, I'm going to write it off as I'm gearing up for a New Japan run.

Destor 05-30-2019 02:10 PM

I fucking hate it. Looks like shit and I think a national TV audience will agree.

Evil Vito 05-30-2019 02:14 PM

He's just cultivating mass.

Fignuts 05-30-2019 02:18 PM

As long as he looks better than Kassius Ohno, it won't bother me.

Destor 05-30-2019 02:20 PM

Thats the lowest bar ive ever seen

Innovator 05-30-2019 02:20 PM

FUCK YOUR BEAUTY STANDARDS FIGNUTS

Ol Dirty Dastard 05-30-2019 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Conspiracy Victim Vito (Post 5257154)
He's just cultivating mass.

omg lol

Ol Dirty Dastard 05-30-2019 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5257152)
I fucking hate it. Looks like shit and I think a national TV audience will agree.

I do miss jacked Jericho, I'll say that much. But he hasn't had a "great" physique since like 2001.


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