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EIWF 05-29-2019 10:38 AM

Viceland - Dark side of the ring
 
Any one watched the Viceland series Dark side of the ring?

I actually enjoyed the "The Match Made in Heaven" episode the most. The story of Macho Man and Liz.

I also like how they have some lookalikes and film segments to go with the narrative to add to the feel of the episode.

"The Montreal Screwjob" was good, as was "The Fabulous Moolah".

The "The Last of the Von Erichs" didn't really catch my interests so much. Still need to watch too more. But well worth a look.

Ol Dirty Dastard 05-29-2019 10:41 AM

we've posted about it regularly in the 100,001 reply thread.

Fignuts 05-29-2019 07:33 PM

It does probably deserve its own thread.

Bad News Gertner 05-29-2019 09:23 PM

We should have done this weeks ago lol

Anybody Thrilla 05-29-2019 11:23 PM

I watched the Montreal Screwjob episode tonight. Good stuff. There's a whole marathon of this and The Wrestlers on Viceland right now. I'm loving it.

Bad News Gertner 05-29-2019 11:46 PM

The Wrestlers is so good.

xrodmuc316 05-30-2019 03:10 AM

I've enjoyed all of the episodes. If I have one gripe, I didn't really like how much of Linda Hogans narrative they used during the Macho Man and Elizabeth episode.

Seemed like she was more spinning tales than reliable.

The Bruiser Brody episode was really good.

Droford 05-30-2019 04:41 AM

Only one I didn't like was the one about the guy I can't even remember his name cause I had never heard off him
Wrestled the free bird gsir cream match

WinterDecay 05-30-2019 10:27 AM

I found the Von Erich episode very sad and excellent.

Jordan 05-30-2019 11:25 AM

I watched them all with my girlfriend who would never watch anything wrestling related if she wasn't with me...

We both liked Bruiser & Montreal Screwjob the best. Gino and Moolah were not very compelling for either of us and The Savage/Liz story comes in a the middle. From my perspective they should have talked about Steph.

Haven't watched "The Wrestlers" yet but I will...

I know there are some episodes of Dark Side of the Ring that weren't released, like one about Benoit... hoping those are released this summer.

Big Vic 05-30-2019 11:36 AM

Only seen Bruiser and Macho so far. Hope to catch the rest on demand.

Ol Dirty Dastard 05-30-2019 11:37 AM

I found the Moolah one to be quite compelling.

Seanny One Ball 06-02-2019 02:12 PM

The only unsatisfying one was Gino Hernandez because it completely destroys all ambiguity over a myth most fans are unaware of. Montreal talks on a subject everybody knows and still keeps it relatively fresh.

Gino just wasn't that interesting a guy really and there he is stuck in amongst some legit wrestling folklore.

Dino Bravo should have been the one. I think Gertner suggested that for a second season and I'd like to know more about it.

Seanny One Ball 06-02-2019 02:23 PM

Topics I'd like to see in further episodes:

Dynamite Kid
Chris Adams
Dino Bravo
Terry Garvin
JBL's bullying
Steroid trial

Bad News Gertner 06-02-2019 02:36 PM

From what I've heard, Dino Bravo is on the season 2 list and will be the first episode.

Heisenberg 06-05-2019 09:31 AM

Just the Brody one so far

Seanny One Ball 06-05-2019 11:47 AM

Brody was really a great episode, the in depth explanation of how it went down sounds way worse than it reads.

Heisenberg 06-05-2019 12:08 PM

Yeah, I'm going to read the Brody book next once I get time to escape from real life scheduling. The only wrassling I've entrenched myself into these days has been Hulu episodes of RAW/SD, Being the Elite on YouTube and the recent AEW PPV, DoN.


Also, excited to see Moxley-san in NJPW

Bad News Gertner 03-24-2020 11:07 PM

Dark Side of The Ring Discussion Thread (Warning: Spoilers)
 
Might as well create a thread for this. What a fucking show tonight. Man was that ever heartbreaking.

New Jack next week which should be interesting lol

Bad News Gertner 03-24-2020 11:12 PM

Felt so bad for his poor son. He looks so much like his dad.

Volare 03-24-2020 11:26 PM

Get back to you guys after....

Volare 03-24-2020 11:39 PM

SPOILER: show
Chris talking about Regal's message being revealing because of his demeanor and tone and all that, is blowing my fucking mind...never had a clue Regal lived near Benoit at the time


Posted my thoughts in spoilers so I don't ruin it for others just incase.

Volare 03-24-2020 11:48 PM

SPOILER: show
Speaking from a fan standpoint...David did mention he wanted to wrestle...and if he's "hellbent" on screw everyone but Chavo and Jericho, but Malenko and Arn work WITH Jericho...see where I'm going??

Bad News Gertner 03-25-2020 12:45 AM

To be fair, if you're entering a Discussion Thread it's pretty much a given that spoilers will discussed.

Bad News Gertner 03-25-2020 12:46 AM

Actually, fuck it. I'll just edit the thread title.

xrodmuc316 03-25-2020 01:46 AM

Is it really a spoiler that Benoit murdered his family 13 years ago?

xrodmuc316 03-25-2020 01:48 AM

SPOILER: show
In the movie Titanic, that boat sinks

Droford 03-25-2020 03:35 AM

Would have preferred Eddie and Benoit's stories separately (as much as possible with Benoit at least)

Droford 03-25-2020 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5329346)
SPOILER: show
In the movie Titanic, that boat sinks

Dont steal my material

Volare 03-25-2020 09:04 AM

So much for trying to be nice, I hate you all!!! :)

Big Vic 03-25-2020 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman King Gertner (Post 5329333)
To be fair, if you're entering a Discussion Thread it's pretty much a given that spoilers will discussed.

Kris P disagrees

Bad News Gertner 03-25-2020 10:41 AM

Lol yes he does

Bad News Gertner 03-25-2020 10:46 AM

Here's both episodes



Heisenberg 03-25-2020 12:44 PM

Thank you for posting episode 2 :-)

Seanny One Ball 03-25-2020 01:38 PM

Yes, major rep storm coming your way for that.

Ol Dirty Dastard 03-25-2020 01:52 PM

A great watch but not what I'd call a fun watch.

The ending offered some catharsis. Though, having listened to both Sandra and Chavo on Jericho's podcast, there wasn't much about this that I didn't already know to some degree. Still, the stuff with his older son at the end...was quite riveting and heartwrenching.

RP 03-25-2020 02:08 PM

I watched the first part. It's really hard to want to watch the 2nd part. Chris Benoit IS my favorite wrestler of all time. I still dont believe he did this.

Sepholio 03-25-2020 02:48 PM

Oh man this is hard to watch. Heartbreaking.

Seanny One Ball 03-25-2020 03:07 PM

90 minutes of re-treading old ground

Ol Dirty Dastard 03-25-2020 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seanny One Ball (Post 5329453)
90 minutes of re-treading old ground

As deep-dive wrestling fans, it's impossible not to know the whole story. I appreciated the added touch of Sandra and David, who brought a fresh perspective to the whole thing. (Unless you're like me and listened to her on Talk is Jericho).

I also appreciated Chris Jericho's role in reconnecting the two. It was a good look for him.

Seanny One Ball 03-25-2020 03:58 PM

The still living Benoit child was very interesting in all fairness. Even just getting a good look at him was quite good.

Bad News Gertner 03-25-2020 07:21 PM

Looks like The Brawl For All episode is after New Jack followed by Jimmy Snuka and Nancy Argentino which I have a feeling may be the most jaw dropping episode they've done yet.

Evil Vito 03-25-2020 07:27 PM

That’s gonna be fascinating. Not sure how you tell that story properly without coming to the conclusion that there’s no fucking way Vince wasn’t trying to help with the cover up.

Seanny One Ball 03-25-2020 07:49 PM

The New Jack episode is going to be full of exaggeration. I look forward to it.

Droford 03-25-2020 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seanny One Ball (Post 5329516)
The New Jack episode is going to be full of exaggeration. I look forward to it.

I dont know how Jericho could be involved but I want him in it

Bad News Gertner 03-25-2020 09:01 PM

They were in ECW together.

Bad News Gertner 03-25-2020 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Conspiracy Victim Vito (Post 5329507)
That’s gonna be fascinating. Not sure how you tell that story properly without coming to the conclusion that there’s no fucking way Vince wasn’t trying to help with the cover up.

Wait until you hear the stories about the town, cops etc...

Droford 03-25-2020 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman King Gertner (Post 5329583)
They were in ECW together.

True, but I dont think Jerico was in ECW at the time of the Mass Transit incident, so yeah he could be involved talking about New Jack but he wouldn't know directly about the incident which I assume is the focus of the episode

Bad News Gertner 03-25-2020 10:38 PM

There much more to New Jack that the Mass Transit incident. And yeah Jericho debuted in WCW in August 96. Mass Transit was Nov 96.

Bad News Gertner 03-25-2020 10:39 PM

He's also doing narration on the Snuka and Dr.D David Schulz episodes and he definitely wasn't around for that.

Droford 03-25-2020 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman King Gertner (Post 5329658)
He's also doing narration on the Snuka and Dr.D David Schulz episodes and he definitely wasn't around for that.

Jericho did wrestle Snuka at WM though lol

Bad News Gertner 03-26-2020 12:23 AM

Lol true

owenbrown 03-29-2020 02:01 AM

In hindsight, watching this, Benoit should have need much more help from say the WWE after Eddie's death to maybe prevent this tragedy.

McLegend 03-29-2020 08:46 AM

The being in Eddie’s bed and holding/crying into his pillow was a little weird.

drave 03-29-2020 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman King Gertner (Post 5329656)
There much more to New Jack that the Mass Transit incident. And yeah Jericho debuted in WCW in August 96. Mass Transit was Nov 96.




New Jack is fucking insane. Saw him at countless shows around town over the years.


Favorite was a "fans bring the weapons" night, which as you can possibly imagine, was fucked up. A bat with actual barbed wire that made Lucille from TWD look like a toy, someone made a "crown of wire" which was also used.


There was a triple threat with New Jack, Bullet and some other older white guy, cant remember his name. Anyway.... NJ and the old guy beat the fuck outta Bullet (he was super young and super green) until he was legit unconscious.


Old guy goes to leave, tells New Jack he was going to "whip his black ass" ANNNNNND all fucking hell broke loose.


He threw the dude into 5-6 rows of chairs that still had people sitting in them. Took something out of his pocket (a knife probably) and started cutting the dudes head all over the fucking place.


His music never stopped during this entire match, making it really seem like some crazy ass street fight. He walked out victorious leaving the place looking like a murder happened. It was fucking crazy.

Seanny One Ball 03-29-2020 01:34 PM

Yeah he did have a great music gimmick, just playing it on repeat through all the carnage.

Emperor Smeat 03-29-2020 04:33 PM

Finally got around to watching the Benoit episode and it easily replaces the Von Erichs as my favorite from the series.

Only weak episode in the series so far was the Montreal Screwjob mainly because a good portion of it devolved into Cornette and Russo just bickering about each other.

owenbrown 03-29-2020 09:18 PM

the Moolah episode was very awkward

Damian Rey 2.0 03-29-2020 09:36 PM

The moolah episode, while good, didn't seem to know which direction it wanted to go in.

Emperor Smeat 03-29-2020 09:56 PM

Yeah, they did go a little overboard with trying to cover both sides of the issue especially by including that one guy who runs a Moolah fan club.

Same for that one former wrestler who went on a tangent about her or any other of Moolah's talent being associated with prostitution because of Moolah's accusations.

If Luna and Sweet Georgia Brown were still alive, that would have made the episode better overall considering the accusations of what Moolah did to them.

Damian Rey 2.0 03-29-2020 10:03 PM

The one lady whoop had the native American garb and thrashed her neck seemed to insinuate that awful things about moolah are true but then at the end seemed to be saying nobody should say shit cuz thru don't know the truth or something like that.

Triple A 03-30-2020 08:22 PM

Just watched it, had me crying

Also love Chris Jericho even more now

Bad News Gertner 03-30-2020 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian Rey 2.0 (Post 5330773)
The one lady whoop had the native American garb and thrashed her neck seemed to insinuate that awful things about moolah are true but then at the end seemed to be saying nobody should say shit cuz thru don't know the truth or something like that.



Native Canadian garb!

#SlickyTrickyDamon post

Seanny One Ball 03-31-2020 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple A (Post 5331120)
Just watched it, had me crying


Hahahahahaha

Bad News Gertner 03-31-2020 01:59 PM

I can't fucking wait for the episode on Herb Abrams and the UWF.

Mr. Nerfect 03-31-2020 07:27 PM

I'm curious to see how the Snuka/Nancy episode covers possible Vince involvement.

Bad News Gertner 03-31-2020 07:36 PM

Wait to you hear about all the shady shit involved in Lehigh County. It'll blow your mind.

Mr. Nerfect 03-31-2020 08:07 PM

This is going to be fascinating.

Bad News Gertner 03-31-2020 08:38 PM

I won't spoil it for everyone but it's VERY shady shit.

I got really interested in this story like 7-8 years ago after listening to Muraco talk about it on Kayfabe Commentaries Timeline 1983. You could just tell there was more to the story. I've read up on it a lot and have listened to a few podcasts on it. It's going to be a VERY bad look for Vince when it comes out. Here's the Muraco clip. Segment is at the 3:30 mark


Mr. Nerfect 03-31-2020 08:55 PM

I'm really surprised that Vince has not been taken down yet. The guy's got to have so many skeletons in his closet, and it's not like the guy has been careful.

Emperor Smeat 03-31-2020 09:26 PM

Its mostly due to a mix of wrestling low rep in the mainstream and entertainment/sports industry and him cultivating decades worth of loyalty from those who worked for him and wrestling fans.

Plus, most of the real heat he's gotten in recent times was financial related in the sense investors were getting pissed WWE wasn't maintaining their skyrocketing value and less on ethical issues by WWE.

Bad News Gertner 03-31-2020 09:54 PM

Rewatching the end of the Benoit episode.

Does Dean Malenko have Parkinsons? He's very shaky.

Bad News Gertner 03-31-2020 09:56 PM

Oh shit, he does.

slik 03-31-2020 09:56 PM

This is a fascinating and quick read on the Snuka case, if ya want to read a $2.99 e-book. Like Gertner said, when more eyes are on this situation it could be very explosive. It is very, very shady.


https://www.amazon.com/JUSTICE-DENIE.../dp/B00CPTP6VM

Emperor Smeat 03-31-2020 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman King Gertner (Post 5331467)
Oh shit, he does.

Yeah, he revealed he's been suffering from it during one of the Starrcast conventions last year.

Bad News Gertner 03-31-2020 10:26 PM

Lol holy shit, members of Atlas Security on the New Jack episode. The most incompetent security staff ever.

Bad News Gertner 03-31-2020 10:36 PM

New Jack is amazing.

Bad News Gertner 03-31-2020 11:14 PM

Kind of a meh episode. Didn't really go over anything that most fans don't already know.

Brawl for All episode next week
That should be something. Prichard and Russo telling lie after lie.

Droford 04-01-2020 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman King Gertner (Post 5331505)
Kind of a meh episode. Didn't really do over anything that most fans don't already know.

Brawl for All episode next week
That should be something. Prichard and Russo telling lie after lie.

I somehow never saw the vic grimes spot off the scaffold. It looked less worse than I thought it would

Damian Rey 2.0 04-01-2020 01:19 AM

Jesus I didn't now anything about the smoky mountain stuff. Good fucking grief lol.

Damian Rey 2.0 04-01-2020 01:47 AM

So I didn't know much about New Jack other than the mass transit incident and that he did some crazy ass dives. Holy fucking shit this is insane.

slik 04-01-2020 10:57 AM

The Benoit eps set a ratings record for VICE


https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/dar...ce-1203549378/

Sepholio 04-01-2020 03:14 PM

Wow New Jack is a peice of shit. The way he laughs about all of it is disturbing.

drave 04-01-2020 03:15 PM

Dude has zero remorse. Zero.


He was super nice in person, but in the ring - fuck that.

Sepholio 04-01-2020 04:23 PM

I'm surprised no one ever tried to seriously injure him or even kill him, honestly.

xrodmuc316 04-01-2020 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5331432)
I'm curious to see how the Snuka/Nancy episode covers possible Vince involvement.

I'm convinced it's the other way around, Vince killed her and Snuka covered for Vince. How else can you explain Tamina STILL having a job with WWE today?? :rofl:

Seanny One Ball 04-01-2020 05:04 PM


Damian Rey 2.0 04-01-2020 05:09 PM

New Jack is something else. He seems like such a funny, easy going person in interviews. Even on beyond the mat, he came off as really likeable.

Then you watch him try to kill people and stab people and just purposely try to injure others and it's like, wtf and why did people keep booking this guy.

Droford 04-01-2020 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian Rey 2.0 (Post 5331543)
So I didn't know much about New Jack other than the mass transit incident and that he did some crazy ass dives. Holy fucking shit this is insane.

Jim Cornete telling them to go out and piss off white people is hilarious on it's own.

Ol Dirty Dastard 04-01-2020 05:19 PM

lol I love that he tased vic grimes before throwing him off a fucking scaffold, nearly to his death. Jesus Christ that is so fucked up. I dunno why, but the taser really got me.

Damian Rey 2.0 04-01-2020 05:24 PM

He basically said fuck it this guy pussed out last time so I'm just gonna tase him and throw him off and he'll have no choice.

Bad News Gertner 04-01-2020 05:42 PM

I've also heard that the Grimes/New Jack shit is a work and that Grimes just overshot his landing, which I can believe from watching the tape as frequently as I have.

I love New Jack, but he's all about preserving his gimmick

Ol Dirty Dastard 04-01-2020 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman King Gertner (Post 5331711)
I've also heard that the Grimes/New Jack shit is a work and that Grimes just overshot his landing, which I can believe from watching the tape as frequently as I have.

I love New Jack, but he's all about preserving his gimmick

I'd prefer this over the prospect of it being a shoot.

Bad News Gertner 04-01-2020 05:50 PM

Lol oh I so want it to be a shoot

Ol Dirty Dastard 04-01-2020 05:54 PM

I mean... it's funnier as a shoot. But very troubling lmfao

Seanny One Ball 04-01-2020 06:06 PM

New Jack made me laugh an awful lot during that episode. That might be my new favourite besides Brody and the Von Erichs.

Bad News Gertner 04-01-2020 06:15 PM

Every episode this season is just money. Top to bottom. The only one I'm not pumped for is the Road Warriors one.

Bad News Gertner 04-01-2020 06:16 PM

We still have

Owen Hart
Herb Abrams
Snuka
Dino Bravo
Dr. D David Schultz
Brawl for All
Road Warriors

Seanny One Ball 04-01-2020 06:35 PM

Dino Bravo could be a sleeper hit

Ol Dirty Dastard 04-01-2020 06:41 PM

lol especially if they can get Jaque Rougeau


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