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Seanny One Ball 05-02-2020 02:40 PM

UWF was definitely also on Amazon Prime though so I probably conflated the two.

Jordan 05-02-2020 02:45 PM

I'm 4 episodes in and here are my thoughts...

In reading about UWF I always thought the roster sounded bloated (literally) and underwhelming. But with Bruno and the very enegetic Herb Abrams on commentary, plus Captain's Corner every episode... this shit is really fun.

Steve Williams is great, Cactus is blooming, Patera is still pretty good, Orton is still good, Orndorff is still good ... Brain Blair is like a low rent Sting.. awesome. I enjoy the package they are selling. It's simple but it does remind me a lot of WWF Superstars in a good way too. Some of the promo's are really bad but it's like that 90's bad that is really entertaining.

LOL as I type this a masked character named "THE VIKING" just a promo and said "I don't have to tell you how bad I am". HAHAHAA.

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Jordan 05-02-2020 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seanny One Ball (Post 5341810)
It may be on Memphis actually.

There was a WWF invasion angle around 93 somewhere. Lots of amazing promos.

The WWF invasion of Memphis in the early 90's is fucking awesome stuff. WWE should try and get that converted to HD and released on the Network.

Jordan 05-02-2020 02:48 PM

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It's uncanny. He's like a low rent Sting but you know it's still good.

Seanny One Ball 05-02-2020 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan X (Post 5341816)
The WWF invasion of Memphis in the early 90's is fucking awesome stuff. WWE should try and get that converted to HD and released on the Network.


Well, like I just said it is clearly owned by Amazon.
Plus the Network is dying a rapid death.

Seanny One Ball 05-02-2020 02:54 PM

Please stop comparing B Brian Blair to Sting.
Shit shirts and a good attitude was just the 90's as a whole.

Bad News Gertner 05-04-2020 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan X (Post 5341817)
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It's uncanny. He's like a low rent Sting but you know it's still good.


Take a wild fucking guess who was booking the UWF at the time.

Emperor Smeat 05-04-2020 06:38 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sneak peek of tomorrow’s episode ��<br><br>Herb Abrams had a unique way of introducing new talent to the UWF. For Colonel Red, it was a night he would never forget. <br><br>“Cocaine &amp; Cowboy Boots: The Herb Abrams” tomorrow, 10p on <a href="https://twitter.com/VICETV?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@VICETV</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/CraveCanada?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CraveCanada</a>. <a href="https://t.co/DSUu2YtybP">pic.twitter.com/DSUu2YtybP</a></p>&mdash; Dark Side of the Ring (@DarkSideOfRing) <a href="https://twitter.com/DarkSideOfRing/status/1257396857464070144?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bad News Gertner 05-04-2020 07:04 PM

Omg I can't wait for this episode. And on my birthday!

Lol I've been building this episode up now for months. It had better not be a dud

slik 05-05-2020 11:15 AM

Happy Birthday Gertner, UWF's only PPV:


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Bad News Gertner 05-05-2020 03:17 PM

Lol you just reminded me of a great UWF story. At the 1994 Blackjack Brawl, Mando Guerrero fought Jack Armstrong for athe light heavyweight title. Mando was supposed to come out to Rico Suave by Gerrado, but someone made a mistake and played Taco Grande by Weird Al Yankovic which was a parody of the song. Mando was clearly not amused lol

Starts at 13:40


Fignuts 05-05-2020 04:00 PM

https://i.imgur.com/JNHMNTk.png

slik 05-06-2020 01:51 AM

This episode was wild and I really enjoyed it.

Herb Abrams was quite the character.

Damian Rey 2.0 05-06-2020 02:02 AM

Getting ready to watch. V excited

Bad News Gertner 05-06-2020 07:40 AM

Awesome episode. A couple great Herb stories that weren't mentioned.

Herb thought Wild Thing Steve Ray was sleeping with his wife. So Herb paid Dr. Death to shoot on his during a match.

Starts towards the end of the match


Bad News Gertner 05-06-2020 07:41 AM

Bix found some documents with the Nevada State Athletic Comission for Blackjack Brawl including signed statements from wrestlers stating they were paid.

The statements were forged. Half the wrestlers real names were misspelled lol

Seanny One Ball 05-06-2020 08:28 AM

I've seen that Dr Death shoot before. Disgraceful.

Droford 05-06-2020 09:14 AM

Basically the video on how not to start a wrestling promotion. Filing in the back of my mind in case I win a bunch of money

erickman 05-06-2020 09:46 AM

died with coke and hookers with just boots on.

I am surprised he found hookers that would take checks

owenbrown 05-06-2020 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman King Gertner (Post 5342430)
Awesome episode. A couple great Herb stories that weren't mentioned.

Herb thought Wild Thing Steve Ray was sleeping with his wife. So Herb paid Dr. Death to shoot on his during a match.

Starts towards the end of the match


There's an episode of Wrestling with Wregret on the UWF where I believe there's an excerpt of Steve Ray discussing this.

Bad News Gertner 05-06-2020 01:41 PM




Here is the infamous Herb Abrams v Col. Red angle.

Pure coked up Herb insanity.

Seanny One Ball 05-06-2020 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seanny One Ball (Post 5341808)
I think I saw a bunch of UWF on Amazon last year. I seem to remember a very excellent and funny Bret Hart promo.

I have no idea who he was facing.


I think this was USWA actually.

So many acronyms.

Seanny One Ball 05-06-2020 01:43 PM

I'm sure Mick Foley went on about Herb in Have A Nice Day because I remember him mentioning the boots before.

Good episode, I learned a lot.
I definitely thought Herb came off as much more lovable than anyone else in DSOTR before now.

Bad News Gertner 05-06-2020 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seanny One Ball (Post 5342472)
I think this was USWA actually.

So many acronyms.

Yeah there was a ton of USWA on Amazon Prime . Not sure if it's still there.

owenbrown 05-06-2020 06:03 PM


Emperor Smeat 05-07-2020 12:15 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For some reason, the promotional image for next week’s <a href="https://twitter.com/DarkSideOfRing?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DarkSideOfRing</a> on The Road Warriors is Joe Laurinaitis/Animal as The Road Warrior in Daisy Dukes before he formed the team with Mike Hegstrand/Hawk. As opposed to…like, any photo of them together. <a href="https://t.co/xxh4sGDpkZ">pic.twitter.com/xxh4sGDpkZ</a></p>&mdash; David Bixenspan (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1258137301240119296?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Seanny One Ball 05-07-2020 09:01 AM

If I was the DSOTR producer I'd tweet back any picture of Bixenspan.

Imagine being down spoken to by a guy that looks like that.

Bad News Gertner 05-07-2020 09:14 AM

The Road Warriors were very "gay porny" when they first started.

Ol Dirty Dastard 05-07-2020 09:16 AM

RE: Dr. D episode

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This is fucking beautiful. Amazing that this exists.

owenbrown 05-07-2020 06:08 PM

I wonder if how things might have been different with the UWF had Herb Abrams didn't have his vices. Also, what would he (Abrams) have called the UWF had Bill Watts trademarked the letters.

Bad News Gertner 05-07-2020 08:28 PM

They were dead in the water regardless. All these promotions that wanted to present wrestling "the way it used to be" all had a short shelf life (UWF, AWF etc..). SMW is probably the most successful and even that had a low ceiling.

Bad News Gertner 05-07-2020 09:37 PM

I can't remember, did the episode bring up Herb getting mad at Meltzer writing negative shit about the UWF so he named a jobber after Meltzer


Damian Rey 2.0 05-08-2020 02:33 AM

I don't remember them bringing it up but its hilarious

Seanny One Ball 05-08-2020 10:11 AM

I've tried cocaine but I've never been insanely high on it.
I bet that's a hell of a feeling. Running about naked all greased up with Vaseline and coke.

It has to be seen to be believed.

Bad News Gertner 05-08-2020 01:57 PM

David Bixenspan just wrote a really interesting story for Mel Magazine regarding a 1983 police report he discovered stating that Vince McMahon tried to talk Nancy Argentino out of filing a complaint against Snuka. Really fucking interesting.

https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/...rgentino-death

Evil Vito 05-08-2020 03:42 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2 Weeks &amp; Counting! With the full support of Dr. Hart &amp; the OHF Vice-Media's Dark Side of the Ring is releasing tragic story of Owen Hart’s final days with never-before-seen footage. Show airs Tues. May 19th on USA's Vice on TV &amp; Crave TV in Canada at 10pm ET &amp; 10pm PT. Do watch! <a href="https://t.co/niihQlZOfO">pic.twitter.com/niihQlZOfO</a></p>&mdash; The Owen Hart Foundation (@owen_foundation) <a href="https://twitter.com/owen_foundation/status/1257750240779628544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

"Never before seen footage"......wonder how many dipshits will think it's footage of the actual fall.

owenbrown 05-08-2020 03:56 PM

Probably a lot of backstage stuff

Emperor Smeat 05-08-2020 03:59 PM

Meltzer had a story in this week's Observer Newsletter from someone who worked for Herb Adams' UWF revealing how much of a mess the company was backstage.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Observer Newsletter
Regarding last week’s Dark Side of the Ring and Herb Abrams, we got a nice anecdote from reader Jeff Cohen on that subject.

“I watched the DARK SIDE episode on Herb Abrams tonight. They seemed to portray him as a freewheeling cokehead but never mentioned that - as far as I know - he was married. I met his wife, a quiet Asian woman. She, Herb, and I rode in the limo back from the Babylon, NY house show that the UWF ran. At that event, she sold/ripped tickets while I sold t-shirts. The promotion was so disorganized that I found out I was selling shirts WHEN I GOT TO THE VENUE and helped carry the boxes into the lobby of the high school (assisted by David Sammartino). Simply put, they had assigned or hired NOBODY to do it. I borrowed a marker and used the back of some event fliers to put up signs saying "T-SHIRTS $12." At intermission, Herb's wife counted cash, then looked over and asked, "Who gave you $12 as the price?" I said "Nobody." She replied, "Oh, they're usually $13." I remember Herb frantically coming over and asking her for as much cash as she could give him - then asked me how much I'd sold. I handed him over $600. Whoever rented the gym was demanding cash, not a check. His rep had started to grow by then. The day before (Friday) there was supposed to be a house show in Jamaica, Queens at a converted movie house that now booked occasional gospel revival shows. I had scouted Queens locations for him (John Arezzi scouted Long Island) and showed up that night in a suit, nervous if this was my `big break’ into wrestling. The building was FREEZING as I arrived and met Arezzi. The ring was being assembled and the workmen were in winter coats (it was January). Arezzi and his WIFE arrived in a limo. He was not in a good mood b/c the concession stand was not set up and the heat was off. The event manager explained `I told you, Herb, I need cash not a check.’ Herb replied, `I gave you a check for $1,000!’ The manager said , `If you give me cash, I will turn on the heat.’ Furious, Herb said, `The show's off!’ He yelled at the ring workers, `Break it down, show's off!’ He went to the box (his wife was in the box office selling tickets) and told her to refund money. He went outside as the first limo pulled up and Ivan Koloff jumped out. Herb yelled, `Send the limo back to Manhattan! The show if off!’ Arezzi rolled his eyes and said, `See you tomorrow’ (at his wrestling convention at the LaGuardia Marriott). When I got there, Herb's wife was at the table selling pictures of wrestlers who were in the signing room. She recognized me and asked me to sell photos while she used the bathroom. She didn't come back lol. I wound up selling photos until the event ended. At that point, Herb asked me to attend the show in Babylon and stuck me in a limo with Steve Ray, B. Brian Blair and his wife, and Paul Orndorff. I was pretty intimidated but Steve had a bunch of questions about New York for me. I was also there at the end of the night when Herb was doing payoffs (by check). Herb told a funny story about how his wife wrote the check to Andre for the one UWF TV taping that he attended. She didn't know his real name and made it out to Andre the Giant, so his business manager had to handle cashing it at the bank.


Bad News Gertner 05-08-2020 05:00 PM

That's amazing lol

Bad News Gertner 05-08-2020 05:01 PM

If anyone is interested in learning more about Herb, Bix and Kris Zellner did a two part Between the Sheets episode on the history of Herb Abrams and the UWF.

It's very good


https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts...b-SVtXJP6hFko/


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