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Emperor Smeat 05-20-2020 05:05 PM

Owen Hart episode ended up surpassing the Chris Benoit 2-hour episode as the most watched episode in series history by around 29,000 viewers.

Benoit episode had 320k while the Owen episode had 349k.

Bad News Gertner 05-20-2020 06:51 PM

David Bixenspan just found a report that stated Max Mini was originally supposed to be attached to Owen the night of the fall but they decided against it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To add more context to this, here's Max Mini's testimonial from the Owen Hart tribute ep. of WWF Los Super Astros, which aired on 5/30/1999, 7 days after the accident.<br><br>I've overlaid English subtitles thanks to transcription &amp; translation work from <a href="https://twitter.com/PharrFromHeaven?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PharrFromHeaven</a> &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/RobViper?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RobViper</a>. <a href="https://t.co/372kyYQxVR">https://t.co/372kyYQxVR</a> <a href="https://t.co/Z5gheMH4e5">pic.twitter.com/Z5gheMH4e5</a></p>&mdash; David Bixenspan (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1263157748893650944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Damian Rey 2.0 05-20-2020 08:42 PM

Jesus

Savio 05-20-2020 08:44 PM

I thought the blood on the ring was from a Brood "Blood Bath" or the hardcore match that took place earlier in the night.

Bad News Gertner 05-20-2020 08:47 PM

Yeah I had thought something happened on Heat.

I think the Brood gave the Hardyz a bloodbath or something like that

Savio 05-20-2020 08:55 PM

Yeah I found it, Matt touches the mat after the blood bath


<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/KT5O8Vu89hA" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Bad News Gertner 05-20-2020 09:01 PM

Goldust and Blue Meanie vs Hardyz /w/ Michael Hayes.

I totally forgot both were a thing.

Seanny One Ball 05-20-2020 09:46 PM

Michael Hayes should never have been encouraged to wear that shirt the Hardy's used to wear. It was too tight on his bulky old frame.
He looked so sweaty and hairy.

Damian Rey 2.0 05-20-2020 09:48 PM

I remember thinking Michael Hayes getting to manage the Hardys would be game changing for them. It certainly got them going in the right direction.

Bad News Gertner 05-20-2020 10:17 PM

Michael Hayes going to a rave later on

Bad News Gertner 05-20-2020 10:24 PM

Oh yeah, forgot about this match. I always remember the two brothers in the crowd doing some sort of jive handshake after Bradshaw clotheslines Jeff out of mid air.



Savio 05-20-2020 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman King Gertner (Post 5346072)
Oh yeah, forgot about this match. I always remember the two brothers in the crowd doing some sort of jive handshake after Bradshaw clotheslines Jeff out of mid air.

lolll

Seanny One Ball 05-20-2020 10:56 PM

Of course Hayes is in the shirt in that video.

Emperor Smeat 05-20-2020 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman King Gertner (Post 5345869)
David Bixenspan just found a report that stated Max Mini was originally supposed to be attached to Owen the night of the fall but they decided against it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To add more context to this, here's Max Mini's testimonial from the Owen Hart tribute ep. of WWF Los Super Astros, which aired on 5/30/1999, 7 days after the accident.<br><br>I've overlaid English subtitles thanks to transcription &amp; translation work from <a href="https://twitter.com/PharrFromHeaven?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PharrFromHeaven</a> &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/RobViper?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RobViper</a>. <a href="https://t.co/372kyYQxVR">https://t.co/372kyYQxVR</a> <a href="https://t.co/Z5gheMH4e5">pic.twitter.com/Z5gheMH4e5</a></p>&mdash; David Bixenspan (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1263157748893650944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Vince and WWE ditching the safer or more reliable options because they looked "too slow" for tv makes them even look more despicable for going through with the stunt.

RP 05-20-2020 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savio (Post 5345939)
Yeah I found it, Matt touches the mat after the blood bath


<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/KT5O8Vu89hA" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Thanks for the time stamp you fucking asshole.

Emperor Smeat 05-21-2020 12:56 AM

For those interested, the Observer had a free episode of their Observer Radio show yesterday with Martha Hart as the guest and uploaded it afterwards on their Youtube channel.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/DVBtrAWydic" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

RP 05-21-2020 01:14 AM

Watching right now. His daughter got his nose.

Droford 05-21-2020 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seanny One Ball (Post 5345845)
Holy shit, I don't think I ever heard that Owen had shouted "look out" as he fell before seeing that.

I was going to say thsts the only real new thing I heard out of the episode.

RP 05-21-2020 01:54 AM

Vince McMahon is really some piece of shit. More the reason I hope WWE goes under before Vince dies. So he has to see his baby die.

Damian Rey 2.0 05-21-2020 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emperor Smeat (Post 5346094)
Vince and WWE ditching the safer or more reliable options because they looked "too slow" for tv makes them even look more despicable for going through with the stunt.

And further begs the question how the fuck he got away with it. Maybe big crippy z can tell us. How does Vince not get charged with involuntary manslaughter for putting his employee at risk and that employee dying due to negligence?

Savio 05-21-2020 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RP (Post 5346098)
Thanks for the time stamp you fucking asshole.

If you can't figure out when a "Brood bloodbath" might take place during a video titled "Blue Meanie and Goldust vs the Hardy Boys" that's on you.

drave 05-21-2020 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian Rey 2.0 (Post 5346124)
And further begs the question how the fuck he got away with it. Maybe big crippy z can tell us. How does Vince not get charged with involuntary manslaughter for putting his employee at risk and that employee dying due to negligence?




Money.

Ol Dirty Dastard 05-21-2020 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman King Gertner (Post 5346070)
Michael Hayes going to a rave later on

Where he would surely put Rohypnol in some poor girl's drink.

XL 05-21-2020 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian Rey 2.0 (Post 5346124)
And further begs the question how the fuck he got away with it. Maybe big crippy z can tell us. How does Vince not get charged with involuntary manslaughter for putting <s>his employee</s> an independent contractor at risk and that <s>employee</s> independent contractor dying due to negligence?


BigCrippyZ 05-21-2020 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian Rey 2.0 (Post 5346124)
And further begs the question how the fuck he got away with it. Maybe big crippy z can tell us. How does Vince not get charged with involuntary manslaughter for putting his employee at risk and that employee dying due to negligence?

I'm not a criminal attorney so this isn't really my area of expertise, outside of the criminal application of general civil negligence principles applied to a business and/or its agents or employees.

First, unfortunately, money and PR almost undoubtedly had a large role in no one being charged criminally.

Second, it's difficult and rarely a slam dunk to prove recklessness or negligence, especially in a criminal case where the standard for conviction is the much higher, beyond a reasonable doubt.

Third, assuming that Vince was likely not directly responsible or involved in any of the actual engineering, planning, use, or selection of the equipment that failed or was inadequate, it would be increasingly difficult to prove that Vince himself essentially knew or should have known that use of the equipment involved would have likely caused the death of Owen.

Talbert would be a more likely candidate, but that would still be a tough ask. It's also possible that additional evidence the state may have felt it needed to prove negligence or recklessness did not become available or apparent until after the statute of limitations period of three years had passed.

There's also the idea that, for the WWE people involved, it was unforeseeable that the equipment manufacturer would be negligent in making or recommending the inadequate equipment, and the manufacturer's negligence was an intervening cause or act negating any culpability to anyone personally involved from WWE.

fundiddle 05-21-2020 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savio (Post 5346135)
If you can't figure out when a "Brood bloodbath" might take place during a video titled "Blue Meanie and Goldust vs the Hardy Boys" that's on you.

lol, no shit. also, i'm pretty sure the video you posted has Matt in the opposite ring corner from where the accident occurred but i could be wrong

Jordan 05-21-2020 02:37 PM

Is season 3 confirmed?

Bad News Gertner 05-21-2020 02:45 PM

I don't believe it has

Emperor Smeat 05-21-2020 06:06 PM

No but one of the top people at VICE mentioned a few weeks ago about them being eager for a new season and also plans for a spin-off series.

Bad News Gertner 05-21-2020 06:59 PM

Oh yeah, I forgot about that

Bad News Gertner 05-21-2020 07:00 PM

Season 3 wishlist

1. Chris Adams
2. Chris Adams
3. Chris Adams
4. Chris Adams
5. Chris Adams

Jordan 05-21-2020 07:10 PM

On the Conrad "Darkside of the Podcast" they made it feel like they need a break but they hope to do season 3 in the future. They are tired and want to work on other projects for now it seems.

Emperor Smeat 05-21-2020 07:35 PM

I don't blame them for wanting to take a break since the second season did feel a lot more darker and depressing in tone than the first.

Jordan 05-21-2020 09:02 PM

One of the producers that his dream would be to do a Vince McMahon series of like 20 episodes, interviewing him in relation to all of the crazy stories he's involved in. Goddamn I hope that could happen.

Seanny One Ball 05-22-2020 12:06 AM

Vince McMahon is like the fairies in Peter Pan, if you believe in him hard enough he will make all of your dreams come true Jordan.

Emperor Smeat 05-26-2020 07:21 PM

According to PWI, VICE recently ordered a third season for the series with a potential debut date of April 2021.

Also according to the series composer, Dark Side of the Ring was originally planned to be called "Falls Count Anywhere" and wasn't meant to be as dark in tone for episodes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WrestlingInc
Composers Wade MacNeil and Andrew Gordon Macpherson are the ones behind the music in which episodes of Dark Side of the Ring are set to. There's been talk of the series expanding to other art forms such as music in the future.

The composer duo was asked about the possibility of a Dark Side of The Music when they joined The Wrestling Inc Daily podcast.

"Here's my take on it: ignore the title Dark Side of the Ring for a second. When we signed onto the show, it was supposed to be called Falls Count Anywhere," revealed Andrew. "The concept of the show was that wrestling is one of the only worlds where an artist has to live their gimmick. So, for 24/7 Rowdy Roddy Piper had to live Rowdy Roddy Piper. Heels and babyfaces couldn't sit in the same dressing room and that dedication to the show started to affect reality. Then reality started to affect the show of wrestling. The original concept was supposed to be the world of kayfabe and how it affects reality and how reality affects it. It wasn't supposed to be World's Deadliest Wrestling Shoots or anything like that."


xrodmuc316 05-26-2020 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCrippyZ (Post 5346153)
I'm not a criminal attorney so this isn't really my area of expertise, outside of the criminal application of general civil negligence principles applied to a business and/or its agents or employees.

First, unfortunately, money and PR almost undoubtedly had a large role in no one being charged criminally.

Second, it's difficult and rarely a slam dunk to prove recklessness or negligence, especially in a criminal case where the standard for conviction is the much higher, beyond a reasonable doubt.

Third, assuming that Vince was likely not directly responsible or involved in any of the actual engineering, planning, use, or selection of the equipment that failed or was inadequate, it would be increasingly difficult to prove that Vince himself essentially knew or should have known that use of the equipment involved would have likely caused the death of Owen.

Talbert would be a more likely candidate, but that would still be a tough ask. It's also possible that additional evidence the state may have felt it needed to prove negligence or recklessness did not become available or apparent until after the statute of limitations period of three years had passed.

There's also the idea that, for the WWE people involved, it was unforeseeable that the equipment manufacturer would be negligent in making or recommending the inadequate equipment, and the manufacturer's negligence was an intervening cause or act negating any culpability to anyone personally involved from WWE.

Also, there was never distinct evidence to determine how exactly it happened. The harness didn't break, it just disconnected. There is no way to prove that it failed independently of Owen Hart. Hence the long standing speculation that Owen accidentally triggered the quick release himself.

It's why they had a civil case instead of a criminal case. Had the clamp broke or the cable snapped, it would still be very hard to prove criminal charges, but their would be an argument to bring charges. Without that, they did what they could and held Vince financially responsible.

xrodmuc316 05-26-2020 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman King Gertner (Post 5346202)
Season 3 wishlist

1. Chris Adams
2. Chris Adams
3. Chris Adams
4. Chris Adams
5. Chris Adams

I would LOVE an episode on the missing years of Perry Saturn. That is such a fascinating story that a famous wrestler could fall of the earth for years to the point many people thought he was dead.

Droford 05-26-2020 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5347476)
I would LOVE an episode on the missing years of Perry Saturn. That is such a fascinating story that a famous wrestler could fall of the earth for years to the point many people thought he was dead.

Did this ever come out

Quote:

ST. PAUL, Minn. (Nov. 5, 2017) — INFLUX Pictures has started filming for its upcoming documentary “The Rings of Saturn,” which examines the post-wrestling life of Perry Satullo, who, under the ring name Perry Saturn, fought for Extreme Championship Wrestling, World Championship Wrestling and the World Wrestling Federation.

The film, planned for a July 2018 release, will feature interviews with Saturn and other former and current professional wrestlers and promoters, actor re-enactments and animated sequences.


xrodmuc316 05-27-2020 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Droford (Post 5347479)
Did this ever come out

If I remember correctly they couldn't finish it without crowd sourcing and the producer got #metoo'ed.


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