And if multiple network shows are beating them in ratings, then they're not number 2 or better based on their own description of their product.

That time Tito Santana pinned The Undertaker

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So I'm skipping through Bound For Glory, and man, TNA is just so "low" right now. Everything seems so dull and boring. Watching the main event, Carter just suplexed Hardy to the outside, through the table with Galloway on it, and not only did it look sloppy and uneventful, even the announcers sound so unimpressed by it.

Just whole PPV feels bush league. Do TNA even care about TNA any more?

Nothing can compete with WWE, that goes without saying, but even Indy promotions have some kinda enthusiasm and energy to them. Really feels like the people in TNA don't give a fuck and are just going through with it to pay the bills.

I don't think you understand how US television works. But it's okay. Even comparing them to ALL of television, they are in rare air in terms of consistency.

MNF does not claim to be episodic because it's not. WWE does because it is.

Isn't TNA a bush league promotion?

So if it's episodic, you would then compare itother episodic, network shows right? You can't say they shouldn't be compared to network episodic television in one hand and admit that it's exactly what they are in another.

If they're episodic television, then that's what they should be compared to.

You're comparing the idea of cold, ruthless heel Steve Austin being silly in the kayfabe WWF magazine in 1996 to a fun babyface Cesaro doing so on social media today...

Again i just don't think you understand the difference between cable and network. But don't worry about it.

Yes. One knew how to present as a main event talent. The other is posing like a geek on twitter.

There a reason you're not answering the question?

Now? I don't think anyone else competes with MNF. Before football season I know they at least lost to Rizolli and Isles. The point is, you can't use the "if you're not #1, you're not successful" logic against anyone competing with WWE and throw the same logic out when it's against WWE.

I don't even think Cesaro is a main event talent. It has nothing to do with him having fun and being silly on Twitter though. You somehow find ways to sound ridiculous to guys on both sides of arguments.

Does anyone really believe Cesaro is a main event talent? I mean, maybe a one time transitional guy, but I've always thought the cry for him as to be a decently booked upper mid carder who could challenge for the top belt but ultimately be a US title type.

Lol, CyNick.

:( I do. Not mega tier status like Cena or Bryan but someone like a Jericho who could move seamlessly between main event and upper mid card status whenever needed.

Yes. Has the cred to compete with, maybe win the big one now and again, but not a top star. Think most feel he could attain that status if anyone that mattered actually cared.

I'm not sure if Cesaro is ready to be a top guy right now, but I'd like it if when he knocks the ball out of the park that momentum is actually built upon. We might find out if he can take on the role that way.

Had they not bungled his post-Mania push last year, he could easily have been main event material by now.

Maybe instead of Sheamus, its Ceasro who has the MitB case and continuing his momentum from a year ago. Promo stuff might be a concern but had they not misused Heyman as a manager, that's not an issue for him.

Last year's push was so fucked.

You mean like that pic where the Kliq, Undertaker, Godwinns, Austin, Paul Bearer and Gerald Brisco were all drunk in a bus? (can't post pics via PS4. :rant:)

CyNick would have liked it though.

I just dont think it helps his cause posting crap like on Twitter. Maybe he should spend the time working on promos instead.

Those guys were chilling and drinking and shit. Sounds like things that people would aspire to do.

Is this still about indy promotions?

I agree Smelly (sorry if that offends you, but Noid got upset at me for calling you Meatball in the other thread).

There's no reason why being a Paul Heyman guy didn't elevate him to a higher status.

You work @ Yonkers McD's or something?

Should have, but I remember thinking he was really terrible during that time.

Terrible how? My only real issue with him is his mic work/lack of a larger than life true main event personality... which was a problem that should have been taken care of with Paul fucking Heyman as his mouthpiece. Book him to look credible in the ring (Not hard. He's pretty fucking good in the ring.) and have Paul Heyman stand by him and hype the shit out of him. It's not rocket science but.. WWE said "derp, I dunno" after a few weeks and let their ADD kick in.

Around that time I thought his mic work was horrific (which was probably why they saddled Heyman with him), but then his ring work he couldnt hold a crowd. The only thing that was over was the Swing.

He's better now, his promos are a bit better, and he's started to develop a moveset that keeps the crowd entertained, instead of sitting on their hands waiting for the swing.

Now he just needs to actually develop a character, improve the stick work, and he'll be in a better spot. Its up to him at this point.

That's why she's single. Got to many jobs. Woman works all over New York

I love Glen "Corporate Kane" Jacobs. The dude is surprisingly hilarious.

I just read a really cool article on Xavier Woods' gimmick and how he's the mastermind manipulating good souls Kofi Kingston and Big E.

Picked up Summerslam 2008 DVD for 50p. Awesome.

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Edge as a DC character Atom Smasher on The Flash. Honestly this looks fucking silly. Posing like fucking Triple H and shit.

Bah GAWD, what a right hand!

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