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Evil Vito 02-26-2010 08:58 PM

WrestleMania 26 - What goes on last?
 
<font color=goldenrod>I can't think of any other year where there were two matches that I really couldn't decide which should be the main event of WrestleMania.

<b>WWE Title Match:</b> Right now it's Cena vs. Batista, and it might stay that way. However, since I'm not sure Bret Hart can work a full match, it might be Cena w/ Bret vs. Batista w/ Vince, or even Cena & Bret vs. Batista & Vince in a tag match with the winning pinfall getting the belt.

<b>Taker vs. Michaels:</b> If any non-title match ever deserved to headline WM, it's this one, especially after they tore the house down last year and the final two matches really had no chance to top it.

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There are arguments that can be made both ways. I normally always feel like a Title match should end the show, but I'm not sure HBK/Taker could be denied that top spot...especially given the magnitude of it. Either a prestigious streak ends, or HBK retires (granted he probably won't fully retire even if he lost, but kayfabe-wise, it's still a huge deal). Plus, factoring in all they've done for the company, they do deserve the chance to close it out.

Also, I kinda worry that the WWE Title will get lost in the Bret/Vince hype if those feuds are indeed combined into one match (much like WM16 with the "McMahon in Every Corner!" thing, or Jericho/HHH where it was really a feud between HHH/Steph). Bret potentially winning the WWE Title would be huge and all, but it would seem like a really gimmicky way to end WM.

So yeah, my personal choice is Taker/HBK.

Poll coming, just those two choices. Before anybody says it, no, Jericho/Edge is not an option. It will be a fantastic match I'm sure, but you really can't make the case that it should go last. Not to mention, I'm sure some people would be pretty pissed off that a guy who missed as much time as he did gets the most coveted match slot of the year.</font>

Xero 02-26-2010 08:59 PM

I'd PREFER Edge vs Jericho, but we're getting Cena/Bats as the main event.

I would never put Taker/HBK last unless it was a title match. Mania should always end with a title match.

Jordan 02-26-2010 09:03 PM

Am I wrong in assuming its going to be Edge/Jericho because Edge won the Rumble? I mean that is for the MAIN EVENT spot at Wrestlemania. Is there any history since the brand split that proves otherwise?

Heros Welcome 02-26-2010 09:07 PM

I agree with the notion that Mania should end with a title match, but the way Taker HBK is going to be built and the fact that its Career v. Streak I think this storyline, even without a title, is BIGGER than either title match.

Edge Jericho is going to be a great match I think but I don't see it closing. Also with the possibility of them going tag match for the WWE title, I don't see that being the right choice to close either.

Undertaker HBK is the match everyone wants to see. Everyone knows its going to tear the house down and nothing is going to be able to follow it. They should get top billing this time around.

Xero 02-26-2010 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordan X (Post 2958425)
Am I wrong in assuming its going to be Edge/Jericho because Edge won the Rumble? I mean that is for the MAIN EVENT spot at Wrestlemania. Is there any history since the brand split that proves otherwise?

Like 4 of the last 5 Rumble winners didn't main event.

Innovator 02-26-2010 09:12 PM

Take note of last year, nothing is topping HBK vs. Taker

Mr. Pierre 02-26-2010 09:12 PM

I think Streak vs. Career should go on last because as last year showed, nothing can possibly follow that.

Title or not, I think most of the audience and PPV buyers care about this match the most. And in my opinion, it seems like this match is the one WWE cares about the most, given the build.

I think Edge/Jericho will go on at the halfway point of the show, Cena/Bats will go on 3rd to last, with a filler segment/match in between Taker/HBK, which I think will ME.

Juan 02-26-2010 09:15 PM

Taker's streak matches rarely go on last, especially when they're not for a title. I don't expect this to change.

Metal Gear Yoshi 02-26-2010 09:49 PM

It depends on what the perception of last years mania was in the WWE. Do they think the mainevent died a death because it was following HBK Vs. Taker or because the match was shit and boring? The truth is probably that it was a combination of both but the fact that HHH was in the match probably skews the WWE opinion towards the first option therefore they would opt for Streak Vs. Career as the main.

Personally Cena Vs. Batista doesn't cut it on a show that is looking as stacked as Mania is. Edge Vs. Jericho will be awesome but I don't see WWE having confidence it their ability to draw(nor do I). If they do in fact combine the McMahon/Hart feud with the Cena/Batista one then whilst you won't get a great match in terms of workrate out of it you will get a draw. If thats the case then Cena/Hart Vs. Batista/McMahon could main.

Loose Cannon 02-26-2010 10:06 PM

If Shawn is going over, that moment should be th most important moment on the card. As I have been saying all along, ending the streak will go down as one of the most memorable moments in not just Wretlemania history, but wrestling history. Title matches are a dime a dozen. Sure it's important, but Taker's streak has more meaning to it.

If Taker is going over, the match doesn't need to be last. If Shawn is going over, I wouldn't think twice about putting it on last if I was booking the thing

Loose Cannon 02-26-2010 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Heros Welcome (Post 2958436)
I agree with the notion that Mania should end with a title match, but the way Taker HBK is going to be built and the fact that its Career v. Streak I think this storyline, even without a title, is BIGGER than either title match.

Edge Jericho is going to be a great match I think but I don't see it closing. Also with the possibility of them going tag match for the WWE title, I don't see that being the right choice to close either.

Undertaker HBK is the match everyone wants to see. Everyone knows its going to tear the house down and nothing is going to be able to follow it. They should get top billing this time around.

yea, didn't even read this before my post. you get it.

Droford 02-26-2010 10:14 PM

It'll be HBK/Taker..boring Womens crap..Cena/Batista

Jordan 02-26-2010 11:15 PM

I think HBK/Taker is the draw, it should go on last.

Jordan 02-26-2010 11:16 PM

But it won't due to the storyline.

Mr. Nerfect 02-26-2010 11:37 PM

I actually think the storyline hurts The Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels' as a headliner. That and it is not for a title. If HBK had won the Royal Rumble, then by all means it should close. But without a title and because either Taker fans or HBK fans are going to be bummed after the match, I think it goes on earlier in the night.

Many don't think it will, and I can understand why; but I hope that they just say "fuck it" and have Chris Jericho vs. Edge headline. It makes the most sense to me. Edge won the Royal Rumble, and historically that means nothing, but they went back to the Royal Rumble Winner gettting their title shot last year. It makes that event mean more, and it makes Jericho winning the World Heavyweight Title mean more, and it gives Edge the closing moment of WrestleMania. If the WWE wants him to connect with crowds -- this is the best way to do it.

The WWE often goes unpredictable with what they choose to close the show. I was shocked when The Undertaker and Edge got to do it at WrestleMania XXIV. I was sure the Triple Threat would close, with Cena's return from injury being the great story. Instead it was The Undertaker's random title win.

The Gold Standard 02-26-2010 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Pierre (Post 2958442)
I think Streak vs. Career should go on last because as last year showed, nothing can possibly follow that.

Title or not, I think most of the audience and PPV buyers care about this match the most. And in my opinion, it seems like this match is the one WWE cares about the most, given the build.

This

Xero 02-26-2010 11:40 PM

IF Taker/HBK went on last, they'd be the only two to ever main event (close out) a WrestleMania in three different decades.

James Steele 02-26-2010 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Xero (Post 2958557)
IF Taker/HBK went on last, they'd be the only two to ever main event (close out) a WrestleMania in three different decades.

Triple H will do it all by himself in 2020.

James Steele 02-26-2010 11:49 PM

I am usually a hardcore "Championship goes on last" kind of guy, but Booking 101 says that the entire card should build up to the main event. Nothing will be able to go after HBK/Taker. I say make the people wait for HBK/Taker and the crowd will be even better (no Kid Rock helps too) than it was last year and it will have the ultimate "big match" atmosphere. Remember, WrestleMania I was headlined by Hulk Hogan/Mr. T (with Jimmy Snuka) vs Roddy Piper/Paul Orndorff (with Cowboy Bob Orton) with Muhammad Ali as referee.

Xero 02-26-2010 11:51 PM

I'd love it if Taker/HBK went on last, just can't see it.

Tazz Dan 02-26-2010 11:52 PM

I would love for Jericho/Edge to close, but I believe they'll be on second last to HBK/Taker. Like someone else stated, the crowd are going to be bummed out over whoever loses. Why would they risk putting that in the middle of the card and possibly have a dead crowd for the remainder?

James Steele 02-27-2010 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Tazz Dan (Post 2958576)
I would love for Jericho/Edge to close, but I believe they'll be on second last to HBK/Taker. Like someone else stated, the crowd are going to be bummed out over whoever loses. Why would they risk putting that in the middle of the card and possibly have a dead crowd for the remainder?


They did have Kid Rock do his thing in the what, 3rd segment of WrestleMania?

Executioner 02-27-2010 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tazz Dan (Post 2958576)
I would love for Jericho/Edge to close, but I believe they'll be on second last to HBK/Taker. Like someone else stated, the crowd are going to be bummed out over whoever loses. Why would they risk putting that in the middle of the card and possibly have a dead crowd for the remainder?

:love::yes:

Nark Order 02-27-2010 12:05 AM

What? HBK/Flair wasn't even main event.

James Steele 02-27-2010 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Narcissus (Post 2958593)
What? HBK/Flair wasn't even main event.

HBK/Flair was WAY obvious though.

Xero 02-27-2010 12:10 AM

So was Hogan/Rock.

James Steele 02-27-2010 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Xero (Post 2958597)
So was Hogan/Rock.

Hogan/Rock ruined Triple H's moment.

Heyman 02-27-2010 12:49 AM

John Cena vs. Dave Batista will go last and SHOULD go last.

Heyman 02-27-2010 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by James Steele (Post 2958599)
Hogan/Rock ruined Triple H's moment.

Yes and no.

Yes - in the sense that the fans blew their load for Rock/Hogan and had nothing left for the final match,

No - in the sense that Triple H was built up poorly as a face (WWE's fault), and went up against a very poorly built up Chris Jericho (i.e. a guy that had been made to look like a weak and flukey transitional champ). If a well built face Triple H had gone up against a heel Austin (i.e. if the WWE hadn't turned Austin into a face after Survivor Series 2001), then Hogan/Rock wouldn't have ruined HHH's moment (as you put it).

Heyman 02-27-2010 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon (Post 2958493)
If Shawn is going over, that moment should be th most important moment on the card. As I have been saying all along, ending the streak will go down as one of the most memorable moments in not just Wretlemania history, but wrestling history. Title matches are a dime a dozen. Sure it's important, but Taker's streak has more meaning to it.

If Taker is going over, the match doesn't need to be last. If Shawn is going over, I wouldn't think twice about putting it on last if I was booking the thing

Actually - I stand corrected. I agree with that THAT.

Mr. Nerfect 02-27-2010 01:01 AM

Ric Flair vs. Shawn Michaels is a fair point to bring up. They didn't headline Mania, nor do they need to. HBK/Taker actually needs something after it with the feeling it is going to create (the end of an era for somebody). End one era, and then begin another. I think Edge would be the best choice creatively, but from a business perspective, I can understand why they would put Cena/Batista on last.

If I had to choose between The Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels and Batista vs. John Cena, I would definitely go the WWE Title match.

Tazz Dan 02-27-2010 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by James Steele (Post 2958590)
They did have Kid Rock do his thing in the what, 3rd segment of WrestleMania?

I'm sure they've learnt from their mistake. Oh wait, this is wwe. :-\

Supreme Olajuwon 02-27-2010 01:34 AM

For me, the question is who deserves to have the final pose as the cameras fade out to end the show? And I don't think the answer is even debatable. It's Shawn Michaels, either as his final bow or as the streak ender.

The Franchise 02-27-2010 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Vito 22 (Post 2958416)
<font color=goldenrod>
<b>Taker vs. Michaels:</b> If any non-title match ever deserved to headline WM, it's this one</font>

What about Hogan vs Rock? That was like the biggest match ever not sure why it didnt go on last.

Anyway I think it will be Batista vs Cena if Cena is planned to win and Taker/Michaels if Batista is planned to retain the title

DaVe 02-27-2010 01:45 AM

Nothing this year is gonna have a chance of topping Michaels/Taker II. And we already saw that last year.

south776 02-27-2010 02:00 AM

just to quiet the HBK/Flair argument...it was offered to Flair for them to go on last and he declined. we cant just assume a title match is guaranteed to go last.

LT and Bam Bam anyone?

The Franchise 02-27-2010 02:03 AM

Either way, it will either be Taker/Michaels or Cena/Batista which means Edge -- the Rumble winner will most likely not be in the "Main Event"

Fourth time in the last five years the Rumble winner doesn't main event WM. I'm not sure if they still say "The winner goes to the main-event of WM" at the RR but if they still do, they should just say "The winner faces a World Champion" at WM

Fox 02-27-2010 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan X (Post 2958425)
Am I wrong in assuming its going to be Edge/Jericho because Edge won the Rumble? I mean that is for the MAIN EVENT spot at Wrestlemania. Is there any history since the brand split that proves otherwise?

WM XI: HBK won the Rumble and challenged Diesel for the WWF Title, but Lawrence Taylor vs. Bam Bam Bigelow went on last.

WM 22: Rey Mysterio won the Rumble and fought for the World Title in the third to last match of the night, defeating Orton and Angle.

WM 24: Cena won the Rumble and even though he cashed in his title shot at NWO, he still got a title match at WM, but it was the third to last match on the card.


It's not a long history of the Rumble winner not getting the main event, but I can definitely see them swapping Edge/Jericho's main event spot for Cena/Batista, as that is the "bigger match."

Undertaker and HBK will not main event WrestleMania. It is the selling point of the show, but ever since WrestleMania XI, it seems like they've been very adamant about putting a World title match on last. WM 18 is a perfect example. The obvious main event was Rock vs. Hogan. Everything after that match, including the Jericho/HHH main event, was an after-thought. Same thing last year with HBK/Undertaker, and arguably the same thing at WrestleMania 21 with HBK/Angle.

While I think it's the smart move to put HBK/Undertaker on last at WM 26, I don't think it's going to happen. The WWE doesn't care that their match is "the draw." Once the ticket or the PPV is purchased, the fan is sold and will watch the event regardless of which match goes on last.

The MAC 02-27-2010 03:34 AM

bret hart vs vince will be last cus if bret dies in the ring they wont have the problem of whether or not to continue with the rest of the show

Mr. Nerfect 02-27-2010 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Fox (Post 2958647)
WM XI: HBK won the Rumble and challenged Diesel for the WWF Title, but Lawrence Taylor vs. Bam Bam Bigelow went on last.

WM 22: Rey Mysterio won the Rumble and fought for the World Title in the third to last match of the night, defeating Orton and Angle.

WM 24: Cena won the Rumble and even though he cashed in his title shot at NWO, he still got a title match at WM, but it was the third to last match on the card.


It's not a long history of the Rumble winner not getting the main event, but I can definitely see them swapping Edge/Jericho's main event spot for Cena/Batista, as that is the "bigger match."

Undertaker and HBK will not main event WrestleMania. It is the selling point of the show, but ever since WrestleMania XI, it seems like they've been very adamant about putting a World title match on last. WM 18 is a perfect example. The obvious main event was Rock vs. Hogan. Everything after that match, including the Jericho/HHH main event, was an after-thought. Same thing last year with HBK/Undertaker, and arguably the same thing at WrestleMania 21 with HBK/Angle.

While I think it's the smart move to put HBK/Undertaker on last at WM 26, I don't think it's going to happen. The WWE doesn't care that their match is "the draw." Once the ticket or the PPV is purchased, the fan is sold and will watch the event regardless of which match goes on last.

WrestleMania 23 also had John Cena vs. Shawn Michaels as the main event, even though The Undertaker won the Royal Rumble and was challenging Batista, I believe. Since the brand split, we've gotten Brock Lesnar, Chris Benoit, Batista and Randy Orton as the Royal Rumble Winners who have gone on to the main event. Rey Mysterio, The Undertaker and John Cena have not.

I guess the question becomes "why not?" Well, the WWE pretty much fucked up Rey Mysterio in 2006 all over. But Eddie Guerrero's death left a sour taste in everyone's mouth as they pushed Rey. It's not that he wouldn't have gotten a push to the main event eventually, but they really didn't trust in Rey. His Rumble win didn't even close the January PPV. Mark Henry did.

I seem to recall the WWE not thinking that The Undertaker and Batista would have a great match at WrestleMania? I think that was one of the reasons they were bumped down. They, of course, surprised. I think the WWE expected John Cena vs. Shawn Michaels to be a classic, but their great match took place on the RAW in England afterwards. A combination of doubt in The Undertaker and Batista, and false hope in Shawn Michaels and John Cena let down that one. In John Cena's case, he had already cashed in his Rumble title shot at No Way Out, and although I expected his match to headline, I guess the WWE didn't want to do another Triple Threat to close.

Usually there is some sort of reason the Royal Rumble Winner doesn't close, and that reason is usually pretty stupid. I still hope that Jericho vs. Edge is allowed to be the last match on the card.


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