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Indifferent Clox 03-08-2010 10:05 AM

What do you think were some worked shoots?
 
I was reading xero's (fucking amazing) article and I was wondering what "shoots" of the past, we now know were staged, and what "shoots" were actually shoots.


What do you think smarks?

Nicky Fives 03-08-2010 11:20 AM

Goldberg/Steiner/Kevin Nash at New Blood Rising 2000 (just watched the entire PPV an hour ago) was a worked shoot......

For those who cannot remember, Goldberg was in position for a Jackknife, then pushed Nash away, with Nash seemingly confused. Goldberg left, met Vince Russo on the ramp and said "fuck you." The announcers then played it up like Goldberg was supposed to take the Jackknife, but 'broke kayfabe' without directly saying the phrase.......

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jcmoorehead 03-08-2010 12:28 PM

What was the deal with WCW at that time? I'm just wondering why they're talking about "whether or not the move was part of the match" or if there was a part where "Goldberg was supposed to look good" or not.

Haze 03-08-2010 12:32 PM

Any shoots that came out of the WCW/Russo era were more than likely worked shoots.

The MAC 03-08-2010 12:33 PM

gobbly gooker

:shifty:

RVDmark 03-08-2010 02:01 PM

Bret / Vince / Montreal:naughty:

BigDaddyCool 03-08-2010 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicky Fives (Post 2970369)
Goldberg/Steiner/Kevin Nash at New Blood Rising 2000 (just watched the entire PPV an hour ago) was a worked shoot......

For those who cannot remember, Goldberg was in position for a Jackknife, then pushed Nash away, with Nash seemingly confused. Goldberg left, met Vince Russo on the ramp and said "fuck you." The announcers then played it up like Goldberg was supposed to take the Jackknife, but 'broke kayfabe' without directly saying the phrase.......

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That was back when steiner looked good insteand of mishapen.

Loose Cannon 03-08-2010 02:56 PM

Brian Pillman pulled the best worked shoot program off in 1995/1996.

McLegend 03-08-2010 02:56 PM

Edge/Lita/Matt Hardy

Nark Order 03-08-2010 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon (Post 2970551)
Brian Pillman pulled the best worked shoot program off in 1995/1996.

Care to elaborate?

Xero 03-08-2010 03:42 PM

Speaking of Pillman, I heard two shoots recently (one with Kevin Kelly and one [technically not a shoot] with Les Thatcher) and they both said that no one knew about the gun.

Rollermacka 03-08-2010 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon (Post 2970551)
Brian Pillman pulled the best worked shoot program off in 1995/1996.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcissus (Post 2970582)
Care to elaborate?


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I'm not sure this is the one you were talking about Cannon but this was Pillman at his finest.

Innovator 03-08-2010 03:47 PM

I respect you bookerman

Vastardikai 03-08-2010 03:49 PM

hmm...

I would say the opening minutes of Orton vs. Angle at the second ONS was a legit shoot. Where Angle was working him stiff as hell and just making him look like he had no business setting up a ring, let alone working in one.

James Steele 03-08-2010 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vastardikai (Post 2970594)
hmm...

I would say the opening minutes of Orton vs. Angle at the second ONS was a legit shoot. Where Angle was working him stiff as hell and just making him look like he had no business setting up a ring, let alone working in one.

Orton didn't and still doesn't deserve to be where he is.

Nark Order 03-08-2010 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Steele (Post 2970622)
Orton didn't and still doesn't deserve to be where he is.

Well, right. Obviously he doesn't deserve his spot because he didn't marry the WWE Chairman's daughter.

James Steele 03-08-2010 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcissus (Post 2970638)
Well, right. Obviously he doesn't deserve his spot because he didn't marry the WWE Chairman's daughter.

Triple H was a main event star and multi-time WWE Champion long before he and Stephanie were even flirting.

The Franchise 03-08-2010 04:45 PM

So was Randy Savage :naughty:

Loose Cannon 03-08-2010 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcissus (Post 2970582)
Care to elaborate?

really? I thought you would of known all this. It's going to take a little typing. do you know anything about his Loose Cannon character in WCW and in ECW during that time so I don't tell you somehting you don't already know (quote Sean O'Haire)

thedamndest 03-08-2010 06:34 PM

These bad boys:

http://www.bisleyworkwear.com.au/www...es/bsh1007.jpg

Nark Order 03-08-2010 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon (Post 2970677)
really? I thought you would of known all this. It's going to take a little typing. do you know anything about his Loose Cannon character in WCW and in ECW during that time so I don't tell you somehting you don't already know (quote Sean O'Haire)

Am gonna research it a bit and I'll get back with you. I started watching wrestling a little bit after that and was never exposed to much of Pillman. I think the first I witnessed of Pillman was his feud with Goldust over Marlena

Loose Cannon 03-08-2010 06:54 PM

yea, you should be able to find tons of stuff on the net now and days. if you want me to answer anything specific, just ask

Supreme Olajuwon 03-08-2010 09:34 PM

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The alleged reason Regal left WCW in 98. Regal was supposed to get squashed by Goldberg like so many before and after him. But Regal said fuck that and started beating the shit out of Goldberg and mat wrestling him. You can see Goldberg's just like what the fuck are you doing?

Perry Saturn 03-08-2010 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon (Post 2971222)
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The alleged reason Regal left WCW in 98. Regal was supposed to get squashed by Goldberg like so many before and after him. But Regal said fuck that and started beating the shit out of Goldberg and mat wrestling him. You can see Goldberg's just like what the fuck are you doing?

Well Regal was about to get shit canned anyway so he said fuck it

Damian Rey 03-08-2010 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perry Saturn (Post 2971273)
Well Regal was about to get shit canned anyway so he said fuck it

I also don't get the big deal out the match anyways. It was a decent match, and outside of being caught off guard, Goldberg seemed just fine with what as going on. Not to mention while squashing is fun for a while, a decent match like that is a good change of pace.

Emperor Smeat 03-10-2010 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon (Post 2971222)
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The alleged reason Regal left WCW in 98. Regal was supposed to get squashed by Goldberg like so many before and after him. But Regal said fuck that and started beating the shit out of Goldberg and mat wrestling him. You can see Goldberg's just like what the fuck are you doing?

The cool part about this match is once Goldberg realized what was occurring, he managed to pull off some nice wrestling moves people and sort of shocked some people who didn't think he had the skills for a "shoot"/technique match.

Destor 03-10-2010 11:00 PM

i haven`t read the thread but one word: montreal

Vastardikai 03-11-2010 12:33 AM

two words: Spider Lady

Emperor Smeat 03-11-2010 01:35 AM

The original worked shoot of Gotch-Hackenschmidt in early 1900s. Gentleman's agreement to split the 1st 2 matches of a best of 3 but Gotch tricked his opponent and "stole" the series 2-0 for the title.

Its a worked shoot that became a real shoot based on how both wrestlers agree to "fix" the outcome of the 1st 2 matches but then a shoot in the 1st match when Gotch stole a win.

Loose Cannon 03-11-2010 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rollermacka (Post 2970589)
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I'm not sure this is the one you were talking about Cannon but this was Pillman at his finest.


His worked shoot was not a single moment. It extended from 1995-1996.

KayfabeMan 03-11-2010 07:16 PM

He's also really not dead, but did almost die.

That counts as a worked shoot I guess.

6-String King 03-12-2010 11:32 PM

When that guy came on right before a commercial break and said "The following message has been paid for by the New World Order". That was a bull shit shoot. They didn't really have to pay for it.


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