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SupaNovaHBK 03-22-2010 11:15 AM

Undertakers streak
 
Undertakers wrestlemania streak IS NOT THAT IMPRESSIVE

his taken out SOME huge names, like HBK, Flair, HHH...

but how many of his opponents have been mid card?

thats not even my main point.....





most of his wm matches have not been that good. boring in fact. only the HBK match would make it onto a top ten WM list imo.
if im wrong let me know :)

The Gold Standard 03-22-2010 11:28 AM

His match against Batista was very good at WM 23. I am pretty sure that won Match of the Year that year.

VSG 03-22-2010 11:41 AM

I thought Orton-Taker was really impressive as well, actually thought Orton would win at stages.

Xero 03-22-2010 11:43 AM

Here's the streak, with my opinion:

Snuka - First Mania outing, fine.
Roberts - Good match
Gonzalez - Shit.
Bundy - Not great.
Diesel - Good.
Sid - Meh match, but it gets kicked up a notch for winning the title.
Kane - Great.
Bossman - Shit
Hunter - Great
Flair - Good
Bossman/A-Train - "Okay". Shouldn't have happened in the first place really, but this was the point that Taker was pretty much a midcarder so it's fine.
Kane - Good
Orton - Great
Henry - Bad.
Batista - Better than people make it out to be
Edge - Great
Michaels - Amazing, easily his best Mania match, possibly his best match ever. Only match I'd possibly put against it is the first Cell, and it's against the same man.

Out of these, I'd only list four, MAYBE five matches in the "not impressive" category.

But it's not all about who he's gotten wins over (12 out of 17 at least decent matches is still impressive) but the fact that it's happened AT WrestleMania.

Xero 03-22-2010 11:46 AM

If you want to complain about a streak, complain about Goldberg's. Never mind the phantom wins, but the vast majority were 1-5 minute squashes. That's not impressive.

Loose Cannon 03-22-2010 11:48 AM

wtf, we just had this exact same discussion like 3 weeks ago

Sixx 03-22-2010 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xero (Post 2990234)
If you want to complain about a streak, complain about Goldberg's. Never mind the phantom wins, but the vast majority were 1-5 minute squashes. That's not impressive.

Exactly. I've always wondered how can it be that Goldberg had let's say 43 wins and next week on Nitro he's got 51.

Volare 03-22-2010 11:59 AM

Your forgetting house shows.

Sixx 03-22-2010 12:02 PM

Still.

Volare 03-22-2010 12:03 PM

Your supposed to laugh...dammit!

Sixx 03-22-2010 12:04 PM

Fuck, sorry.

The Jayman 03-22-2010 12:10 PM

lol

Xero 03-22-2010 12:13 PM

I'm just glad that Taker never got Benoit at Mania.

How would that be handled? Especially for the video packages that count/show his victories.

Volare 03-22-2010 12:50 PM

It would look like Taker pinning a huge black rectangle the size of Benoit's body.

Jeritron 03-22-2010 12:56 PM

It's impressive that he's been around/over long enough to not only appear on that many Wrestlemania cards, but be chosen to go over everytime.

That's real. The credibility of the opponents is a work, but if you want to go there there have been more than enough legitimate stars he's faced at Wrestlemania. Some of them are midcarders because Taker is over enough to draw against them. There hasn't always been a roster with more main eventers than you can count on both hands.
They had to work with what they had in the 90s, and a lot of times that meant dedicating the stars to the main event and allowing Taker's stardom to carry a nobody into being a somebody.

kareru 03-22-2010 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xero (Post 2990234)
If you want to complain about a streak, complain about Goldberg's. Never mind the phantom wins, but the vast majority were 1-5 minute squashes. That's not impressive.

you want to complain about goldbergs' streak, complain about sid's streak apparently every jobber he powerbombed classed as a win

Favre4Ever 03-22-2010 01:37 PM

I swear I think I've seen three of these threads since February.

AngryMidjit 03-22-2010 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xero (Post 2990260)
I'm just glad that Taker never got Benoit at Mania.

How would that be handled? Especially for the video packages that count/show his victories.

i think if there's no choice (like it is an integral part of a match or angle) they include clips of benoit. For example i just saw KOTR 02 on wwe on demand recently and benoit made a run in in the flair/eddy match. They obviously shortened it up a bit and edited out the announcers saying his name, but he was still shown for a few seconds

Xero 03-22-2010 02:31 PM

Benoit isn't excluded from full shows anymore, only video packages and non event DVDs.

Jeritron 03-22-2010 02:34 PM

I've been told that on the Monday Night Wars, they edit out his matches and mute commentary when he's discussed on Nitro.

The Franchise 03-22-2010 02:38 PM

I hate HBK marks.

The Franchise 03-22-2010 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeritron (Post 2990390)
I've been told that on the Monday Night Wars, they edit out his matches and mute commentary when he's discussed on Nitro.

On the Wrestlemania site under the history section for Wrestlemania XX they have Benoit back in the main event. I remember in 2007 they changed it to HHH(c) vs HBK with it just talking about their rivalry and HHH losing the title but no mention of HBK winning it or mention of Benoit at all.

http://www.wwe.com/shows/wrestlemani...m20/mainevent/

Xero 03-22-2010 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeritron (Post 2990390)
I've been told that on the Monday Night Wars, they edit out his matches and mute commentary when he's discussed on Nitro.

They did that for a while but they recently (maybe a year ago) started leaving him in.

jskinnyg 03-22-2010 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xero (Post 2990234)
If you want to complain about a streak, complain about Goldberg's. Never mind the phantom wins, but the vast majority were 1-5 minute squashes. That's not impressive.

Yup... Just remember we are in the Wrestling world kids... It's not like this is 61 homeruns with an asterik by it... It's impressive b/c it's WM...

jskinnyg 03-22-2010 03:26 PM

and 17 WM's in a row IS VERY impressive...

Xero 03-22-2010 04:16 PM

Technically not in a row, Taker missed Mania 2000.

thedamndest 03-22-2010 04:19 PM

And X.

Xero 03-22-2010 04:20 PM

Yeah, 10 too.

Emperor Smeat 03-22-2010 10:25 PM

Can't remember exactly if Edge lost a match before loosing to the Undertaker at Wrestlemania but the build up of Edge having his own undefeated streak made that match much better storyline-wise. Edge wanted to break Undertaker's streak so his could go on and become The Streak.

Juan 03-22-2010 10:53 PM

You've got to be kidding me with this thread.

Jura 03-22-2010 10:56 PM

Undertaker's streak should be him running around the arena naked at every Wrestlemania.

SupaNovaHBK 03-22-2010 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juan (Post 2991019)
You've got to be kidding me with this thread.




yep. iv been very much so proven wrong with the quality of undertakers wm matches. ill cop that one.

still, 3 or 4 are very crap matches. but not enough to sour the streak.

DrA 03-22-2010 10:59 PM

Is it just me or are they making a bigger deal about Undertaker's streak now than they used to because the WWE really doesn't have much else going on for them now?

Jeritron 03-22-2010 11:09 PM

or because it's gotten to a point where it's 17 years long, and not 5

Droford 03-23-2010 01:24 AM

I totally thought we were going to complain about the streak not being impressive because wrestling is scripted and fake..

Dark One 03-23-2010 05:10 AM

That thread comes on Friday.

DaVe 03-23-2010 06:53 AM

or because it's gotten to a point where it's 17 years long, and not 5

lol that might be it

Dante69 03-24-2010 03:05 AM

WWE needs to get Vampiro ,so he can feud with Taker...then at WrestleMania 27 ...the streak ends with Vampiro drinking Taker dry....lol


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