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roach21 04-03-2010 03:47 PM

Shad Gaspard
 
So apparently Cryme Tyme is done. Could this mean a big push for Shad? I really think if they get him out of that stupid ass comedic street thug gimmick and push him as a Batista type character he could be a main event guy... What do you guys think. Although this probably also means JTG is S.O.L. and will pop up on TNA soon.

Jakob Synn 04-03-2010 03:54 PM

I'm glad they finally split up. I've never liked Shad, but I thought he was great on Smackdown the other night.

Indifferent Clox 04-03-2010 03:57 PM

Yeah there are big things in his future, JTG maybe so as wel, i really wish they'd restart the cruiserweight division and make it like a big part of smackdown, move a the women to raw or something

ImpactPlayer365 04-03-2010 04:05 PM

Were they not to high on Shad not too long ago? His work ethic was being questioned if i can remember correctly. Now a singles heel...hmm. Well if he doesnt work out at least i dont give too much of a shit about him.

dronepool 04-03-2010 04:20 PM

I never really liked Cryme Tyme but I would guess Shad has a shot at becoming a high-mid-carder at most. He just needs to beat someone like Kane, maybe.

Jakob Synn 04-03-2010 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ImpactPlayer365 (Post 3009454)
Were they not to high on Shad not too long ago? His work ethic was being questioned if i can remember correctly. Now a singles heel...hmm. Well if he doesnt work out at least i dont give too much of a shit about him.

Most likely what will happen is he'll have a slight push then fade into obscurity.

BillyBonez 04-03-2010 04:31 PM

Here is what they should do.
Fact : WWE needs tag teams.

Fact #2 : They just split up a great tag team.

SOLUTION : They should team Shad and Ezekiel Jackson up, as two absolute monsters on a rampage. Then they should team JTG and R-Truth up as two fun loving guys, they can even rap together when they come out.

RESULT : Two new tag teams that will be popular.




Volare 04-03-2010 04:32 PM

I actually agree with what BB said.

CSL 04-03-2010 04:35 PM

HNIC

Jakob Synn 04-03-2010 04:35 PM

They always split up tag teams though. It's inevitable. I mean name more than one tag team that hasn't broken up?

thedamndest 04-03-2010 04:41 PM

I wonder if it has anything to do with his audition for Conan. Maybe they release Shad is marketable.

Nicky Fives 04-03-2010 04:44 PM

I don't care for either..... I think they should team JTG up with Jesse/Slam Master J for some sore of ebony & ivory gangster tag team, because I don't think JTG can cut it as a singles guy..... either that, or he will be future endeavored

Jakob Synn 04-03-2010 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by thedamndest (Post 3009497)
I wonder if it has anything to do with his audition for Conan. Maybe they release Shad is marketable.

Or that the whole rumor of Vince preferring big guys in wrestling is true.

HBPunk 04-03-2010 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakob Synn (Post 3009486)
They always split up tag teams though. It's inevitable. I mean name more than one tag team that hasn't broken up?

Hart Dynasty
Morrison/Truth . .

im an asshole

Xero 04-03-2010 05:16 PM

Cena and Orton.

:shifty:

BillyBonez 04-03-2010 05:30 PM

HHH and Stephanie are still tagging!

roach21 04-03-2010 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSL (Post 3009484)
HNIC

I actually thought of that from his OVW days, but w/ Linda trying to run for Senate and Al Sharpton lurking it's doubtful they'll let him do that.

Juan 04-03-2010 05:48 PM

That heel turn last night was awesome. I've never been huge on Cryme Tyme, but that heel turn was really well done.

jskinnyg 04-03-2010 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyBonez (Post 3009534)
HHH and Stephanie are still tagging!

heh...

XCaliber 04-03-2010 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by HBPunk (Post 3009519)
Hart Dynasty
Morrison/Truth . .

im an asshole

You forgot about Legacy, ShowMiz, Punk/Gallows, and the Dudebusters I WIN!

BTW I'm glad they finally split up as I never cared much for JTG in particular but a lot of it is this gimmick just another tolken gimmick if ya know what I mean.

HBPunk 04-03-2010 10:49 PM

. . . . dary

FourFifty 04-03-2010 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakob Synn (Post 3009486)
They always split up tag teams though. It's inevitable. I mean name more than one tag team that hasn't broken up?

Did the Blackjacks or The Midnight Express ever break up?
How about Demolition? Aside from Mr. Fuji, but he wasn't a part of the in ring action.

Mr. Nerfect 04-04-2010 04:45 AM

I still maintain that Shad Gaspard is money. The dude is a BEAST. He's got a fascinating story, too. 35-7 as a No Holds Barred fighter. 57-26 as an amateur boxer. That he is charismatic and has size is also a good omen for him. The only thing that will get in his way is his attitude. If you haven't noticed, Shad absorbs most of the losses for Cryme Tyme since Shad got "sick" last year. That won't be enough to keep him down for his entire career, but I'm going to make a prediction: JTG is the one who gets moved to RAW and gets a nice run there as an energetic babyface.

A fun fact about JTG: He's not actually a cruiserweight. They could probably pass him off as such, but the dude is actually billed as being 230lbs, or something like that. He is actually quite built when you look at him. He just speeds around the ring.

I think both members of Cryme Tyme actually have a bright future. I hope that they let them have a match at Extreme Rules before they separate them in the draft. Give them a Street Fight, as it would suit their gimmicks.

Skippord 04-04-2010 05:04 AM

I like JTG a lot and I'm not sure why

roach21 04-04-2010 11:49 AM

What do you guys think about pairing him up with Swagger and sort of do a Shawn and Diesel type deal?

What Would Kevin Do? 04-04-2010 12:05 PM

Nah. While it could work, it makes no sense for him to break up his tag team, say it's "His time" and then go play second fiddle to Swagger.

He'll feud with JTG for a bit, and if he gets over, he'll probably end up feuding with whatever face beats Drew for the IC title.

Jordan 04-04-2010 12:08 PM

I thought his work on Smackdown was awesome, he was vicious and looked bigger than ever. I hope he goes all the way.

Schlomey 04-04-2010 12:08 PM

Shad is worthless. JTG is money money. He and R-Truth run in the same category for me really but JTG has even better offensive moves. Shad just punches and kicks. Boooring.

Mr. Nerfect 04-04-2010 12:32 PM

I agree that JTG could be money, but I think that Shad could be, as well. I see JTG and Shad Gaspard as a sort of Shawn Michaels/Kevin Nash duo. Not trying to be blasphemous. Obviously they're not there yet, and still have a lot to learn and grasp about the business. I'm just talking styles here.

There are definitely legs on this angry Shad direction, and he can look like a threat to anyone on size and toughness alone. He's got a personality, though, and that can re-emerge when it's time to turn him face again.

FourFifty 04-04-2010 02:11 PM

I don't like the team, but I have high hopes for both of them. I'm pretty sure someone already said team Shad up with Jackson, and JTG with Killings.

Afterlife 04-04-2010 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicky Fives (Post 3009499)
I don't care for either..... I think they should team JTG up with Jesse/Slam Master J for some sore of ebony & ivory gangster tag team, because I don't think JTG can cut it as a singles guy..... either that, or he will be future endeavored

JTG is not a character, and thus would not survive on his own. I do think we'll see Shad vs. JTG next week, with Shad beating him senseless then looking to injure him, with Jesse running in for the save. It sets up distance between Shad and JTG and renews the "friendship" between JTG and Jesse, securing them as a tag team Holly and Rhodes style.

If JTG stops with the stereotypical behavior and develops a personality with more than two dimensions, I'm sure he could be an IC/US champ in the future; his in-ring is unique and impressive. But in his current state, a tag team of Wayans Bros. "comedy" with Slam Master J is probably the only way to keep him afloat.

Shad, though... That was pretty sweet. :)

Mr. Nerfect 04-04-2010 02:23 PM

I actually agree, FourFifty. Cryme Tyme as a team, despite being entertaining in "Word Up" and actually have good chemistry as workers, just don't do it for me. Like Deuce N' Domino, I think I'd care about them more separately. And although I don't think it's the best thing they could do, the whole Zeke/Shad vs. Truth/JTG thing is something I would be mildly entertained by. Especially because I feel that 3/4 of that scenario are not really "ready" for the big time yet.

Mr. Nerfect 04-04-2010 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Afterlife (Post 3010513)
JTG is not a character, and thus would not survive on his own. I do think we'll see Shad vs. JTG next week, with Shad beating him senseless then looking to injure him, with Jesse running in for the save. It sets up distance between Shad and JTG and renews the "friendship" between JTG and Jesse, securing them as a tag team Holly and Rhodes style.

If JTG stops with the stereotypical behavior and develops a personality with more than two dimensions, I'm sure he could be an IC/US champ in the future; his in-ring is unique and impressive. But in his current state, a tag team of Wayans Bros. "comedy" with Slam Master J is probably the only way to keep him afloat.

Shad, though... That was pretty sweet. :)

I dunno, Afterlife. I normally agree with you, but your dislike for JTG is pretty strong. I can understand why you feel he is a stereotype and all that -- but it works. He's no more offensive to me than Shad or R-Truth. I think he'd survive fine, just because of his connection with the crowd (throw in that he's not a bad worker).

JTG is someone that I feel shouldn't have to be a "character," anyway. He's a personality. Some may not like him, or feel offended or whatever, but you just put fun-loving, cocky JTG in feuds with *serious heel* and it writes itself. You could maybe even go deeper with him if you got, say, CM Punk to address him.

CM Punk: What is it you're hiding, JTG? You come out, you shout, you dance around -- but who are you, really? I know people like you, J. You hide behind a false image because you are ashamed of who you really are. I bet your parents are both strung out on meds, and you're angry at the world. Trust in me, JTG -- one nation under Punk.

Something like that, anyway. JTG can be all "phased" by it, shaken up, defensive, whatever. But ultimately, you can use it to explore what makes JTG tick.

Afterlife 04-04-2010 02:33 PM

I don't dislike him at all. During his matches, I want to cheer for the guy because his wrestling is great -- VERY entertaining. What I dislike is the perpetuity of the stereotype. That's all.

Mr. Nerfect 04-04-2010 02:38 PM

Hmm, I would argue that JTG is so over-the-top that it's almost a parody of the stereotype. That makes it sound deeper than it is, but I don't think anyone looks at JTG and thinks "all black men are like that." Especially when he is paired with the more stoic Shad. It's almost (not quite) a straight man/funny man dynamic.

But yes, there is something bizarrely entertaining about the way JTG wrestles. He actually had a good mind for coming up with stuff no one has done before. He'd be interesting to see in Money in the Bank, that's for sure. I bet he'd come up with at least two never-before-done ways to use a ladder (or ladders).

I could not know for sure, but I'm fairly sure Chris Jericho is high on the guy. I mean, Jericho isn't exactly Triple H, but I'm sure he could have gotten out of putting over JTG in their match a while back. That program with Cryme Tyme also went on longer than it arguably could have.

jamesyboybell 04-04-2010 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordan X (Post 3010325)
I thought his work on Smackdown was awesome, he was vicious and looked bigger than ever. I hope he goes all the way.

Would have been better if he hadn't just been pinned my Morrison after about a minute. JTG should've taken the fall. I find it hard to buy into the "monster heel" from a guy who just got his ass kicked by a much smaller guy.

Rammsteinmad 04-04-2010 02:54 PM

I still have trouble knowing which ones which (Re: Cryme Time).

Afterlife 04-04-2010 02:55 PM

Bottom line, JTG is not Morrison or Miz or Regal or Christian. He's got the ring skills, in my opinion, to go with any of them. But he's a 2-dimensional cartoon when it comes to personality. And I'm not saying everyone has to be The Rock to be successful, so any missing the point commentary of that like can be stopped before it starts. I'm only saying that when a guy is forced to carry a gimmick (stereotype or otherwise) and not allowed to develop an authentic connection with the crowd (via legitimate persona), you end up fucked like Scotty 2 Hotty.

Should JTG be allowed to become a rounded character, he's got a VERY solid future. Unless he Jeff Hardys himself, but I've never heard any stories like that about him.

Afterlife 04-04-2010 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rammsteinmad (Post 3010560)
I still have trouble knowing which ones which (Re: Cryme Time).

They're black, not East Asian.

Mr. Nerfect 04-04-2010 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesyboybell (Post 3010556)
Would have been better if he hadn't just been pinned my Morrison after about a minute. JTG should've taken the fall. I find it hard to buy into the "monster heel" from a guy who just got his ass kicked by a much smaller guy.

I dunno. I feel that it keeps the theme of Shad being the one to eat the falls, thus feeding his frustration. It could also help the fans get behind JTG that he didn't actually fuck up in the loss -- it was Shad. The big man getting pinned so quickly was embarrassing more than anything, and it's like he took that out on the guy closest to him. The loss was a metamorphis for Shad.

I'm also not completely convinced that Shad is the one the WWE actually wants to push more. He got the attention this week, but everything seems to indicate the WWE being higher on JTG's abilities and attitude. No doubt they like Shad's size and such, but I don't think this is going to be JTG thrown into the Shad Gaspard wood-chipper.


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