So how exactly can you call Bret Hart a bad promo man when he cuts promos like this?
 

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What exactly is not great about this promo? It's not over the top and he's not parading around like a clown but it hits its mark perfectly. Fuck you Xero :p

I dunno Brets Promos are organic and human when he does one its very matter of fact ,it dosent feel forced and he manages not to sound like some loud angry idiot but simply like a man making a point thats what makes them good I think.

Thats ONE promo dude. Watch the Raw before WM26, he stumbles and botches his way through his promo and keeps rambling about beating up Vince over and over and over. A lot of people i talked to agreed that almost all of his promo's since he returned have been embarrassing

I'm sure that has nothing to do with the stroke the man had a few years ago.

Bret has always been pretty good on the mic, IMO.

No Mr.KnowItAll Bret had that dreary boring voice all his career, he fears charisma too. His shit recent promo's are probably due to rust. To say its his stroke's fault is idiotic, I doubt he could 'compete' at Mania but lose his ability to think before he speakes

Judging the guy on a couple promos in a few months, after his stroke, and no longer in his prime is unfair. His promos in his prime were on point! Especially his promos with the Hart Foundation.

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INTENSE!!!

A few more...

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I love the 2nd one about "heros"

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"Stone Cold Steve Austin, now there's a real hero, his babbling ass. Full of worn over Texas cliches with barnyard overtones!"

CLASSIC!

Favorite WCW interview Bret Did....

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To say that his promos from 2010 are the same as his promos from 90's is idiotic. People who have strokes can sometimes have it affect their motor skills and cause them to slurr or stumble on words.

THIS SHIT HERE IS FUNNY!

"Who are you to doubt El Dandy? Cause this guy's a true professional."

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You probably don't notice, Newstead, as a Canuck, but he sounds a little slow, eh?

He was okay in the past, but seriously... Dale... come on, his work in his return has been sub par even for his standards.

He was a decent and occasionally good promo, but not a great promo.

Bret could always could cut a pretty good heel promo.

Get those "heel Bret" promos the fuck out of my face. All he ever did as a heel was throw temper tantrums and slam America. As far as his "first post-title win" promo, anybody who can't cut a high-quality promo after realizing a lifelong dream shouldn't be involved in any form of entertainment. Any jackass who ever won a Superbowl cut as good a promo as that.

His Promo where he turned heel on America is very good, and he was good during that run, Tedious.

And throwing temper tantrums was a part of his gimmick.

He was always a good promo man not a great one. He has some great promos, but he was never great.

I love Bret though and always was a fan of his and liked how his promos went. He has a promo style that never really lent itself to constant "great" promos.

The sad thing is that this was true even when he was a face.

That promo is the exception, not the rule.

Most things outside of the US vs Canada stuff was shit from Bret.

I dunno. He sounds like he had a stroke.

...too soon?

No, but it predates the actual stroke.

Bret Hart, for being a wrestler, was good. His promos were clear, and he told his story. I remember he was cutting a promo when he was going to wrestle for the IC title after he lost it, and how he felt naked without it. It wasn't a personal attack, he didn't bitch about cheating, just him wanting to prove himself. As a heel his promos were heated, but often one dimensional. He was a typical foreigner. Good, but typical.

However, as an entertainer, he was bland and generic. He wasn't a Ric Flair who could beat your ass in a custom suit. He wasn't a Dusty Rhodes who was the common man. He wasn't a Muhamad Hassan who generated more heat than the freaking sun.

Bret Hart, for being a wrestler, was a classic. With that in mind, when was the last time you saw a movie made before 1960? Classics aren't appreciated in the media unless they become a pop-culture icon like when you see a 10 year old wearing the Pink Floyd shirt.
So just take Bret for who he is. A wrestler, and not a sports entertainer.

Coming from an HBK mark that has done nothing but bash Hart since he came back. Keep oogling the boy toy.


Bret is one of the best at making a promo seem genuine. That's why I enjoy listening to him. He tells it as it is. Most of the time it sounds like he's shooting in a way.

Because he had a stroke you numbdick. He can't talk anymore. That's what most of the comments were in reference to.

nah Xero said he never liked his promos. STFU chunky Jim.

And apparently you're Dr. KnowItAll.

The brain is an extremely complex organ that controls various body functions. If a stroke occurs and blood flow can't reach the region that controls a particular body function, that part of the body won't work as it should.

If the stroke occurs toward the back of the brain, for instance, it's likely that some disability involving vision will result. The effects of a stroke depend primarily on the location of the obstruction and the extent of brain tissue affected.

Right Brain
The effects of a stroke depend on several factors, including the location of the obstruction and how much brain tissue is affected. However, because one side of the brain controls the opposite side of the body, a stroke affecting one side will result in neurological complications on the side of the body it affects. For example, if the stroke occurs in the brain's right side, the left side of the body (and the right side of the face) will be affected, which could produce any or all of the following:

* Paralysis on the left side of the body
* Vision problems
* Quick, inquisitive behavioral style
* Memory loss

Left Brain
If the stroke occurs in the left side of the brain, the right side of the body will be affected, producing some or all of the following:

* Paralysis on the right side of the body
* Speech/language problems
* Slow, cautious behavioral style
* Memory loss




Go back to Med School Dr. ShitForBrains

It doesn't have catch phrases and potty jokes Newstead. Don't you know anything about great promos?

Jeritron is a poopy.

I'm willing to bet that a lot of the people saying Bret sucks on the mic didn't even fucking watch him cut promos weekly. I can't imagine how they could have actually seen those Raws and think that.

They're available on WWE on demand. I used to think Bret was mediocre on the microphone because of lame perpetuations, and then a few years ago I fucking WATCHED THE PROMOS, and realized I was dead wrong. Dead wrong.
It all probably has some connection to Montreal, and Vince/Shawn on some level, even though Vince/Shawn probably wouldn't even claim he was a bad promo man.
But some people have bias or feelings they don't want to change, and will look at them negatively no matter what

Entertainment is subjective, and I suspect any Bret Hart haters would hate Bret even if he did cut a good promo because that's how people like that are. They hate someone, and nothing can change their mind. But I'll make one attempt anyhow. Not that it matters what they think, but because I am a Hitman fan, and because the following clip is pretty unknown to plenty of fans, I'm gonna share it.

Here's a heel promo he did in 1993 for USWA TV when he was feuding with Jerry Lawer -

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I just dislike the black and white opinions at work in the IWC. Some people are so unreasonable.

E.G. Bret sucks at promos, WCW sucked, Vince Russo sucks, John Cena can't wrestle, Vince McMahon is God, PG is bad, TNA is a clusterfuck, and so on.

All of these things have merit as their own opinions, and some of them are even based in truth, but it's just how everyone has made up their mind on such statements being finite and universal. They so blindly follow these credos that they can't even form their own opinions or be open to changing their mind, or at the very least recognizing that there is far more to everything than that. Shades of grey.

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This thread sucks.

I always liked this one from WCW

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I agree with you, and with the exception of TNA being a clusterfuck, I don't hold those opinions. At least, not unilaterally. I mean, for example, PG isn't automatically bad. JBL is a Poopy is. I think you can be family friendly and still good. I just don't think WWE is doing a great job of it.

However

Bret being the golden child is another one of those same opinions. You yourself said "I can't imagine how they could have actually seen those Raws and think that." Well, if it's shades of gray, you probably shouldn't dismiss it.

Besides, I think it comes from more than Montreal. This is a business which promotes cheering one side and booing the other. Granted, the business wants you to cheer the faces and boo the heels and the IWC doesn't break down that way, but the idea is they want a polar response. Is it a shock that we have such responses on almost everything?

Smarks aren't really different, they just exhibit the same behaviour aimed at different targets.

Anyway, I appreciate Bret, but I've always appreciated him more for his wrestling skills. Dating back to those classic Raws, even.

Bret as the golden boy seems to be the consenus in Canada, which to be fair does have a strong presence on the "IWC."

There's a whole school of thought that he can do no wrong, which is the reaction of the whole "Vince/Shawn were 100% right" mentality I mentioned. So you're right, they both exist and are equally narrow. The truth likely lies somewhere in between. I've grown indifferent to the whole thing. Though I tend to agree more with the Vince logic, I do like Bret and thing the whole situation was a shame no matter how it's sliced.

Bret can do wrong... but for some reason a bunch of people here choose to mostly see the wrongs. They go "Bret was good in the ring BUT"... no, Bret was the fucking man everywhere... but obviously he had a big fucking ego and he was stubborn, and not every match he had was good (See: Bret vs. Backlund WM 11). Not all the greats were always money. But like Jeritron here, people see in black and white. "Bret wasn't a great promo guy" lol stfu, learn the business properly then talk shit.