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Brujesino 06-27-2010 01:03 AM
So Fedor just lost
 
Whos sad?Whos laughing and saying see i told you?

personally iam sad he finally has his first legit loss.

30-2 still the greatest fighter of all time.

Mr. JL 06-27-2010 01:11 AM
Honestly, I am pretty happy that he was defeated.

What Would Kevin Do? 06-27-2010 01:24 AM
His stock dropped a bit, so he won't be worth as much to the UFC now. Not saying it's a huge hit by any means, but he's no longer "unstoppable."

Nark Order 06-27-2010 01:38 AM
lol Fedor

Nark Order 06-27-2010 01:47 AM
lol. Love how all of the Sherdog guys went apeshit on Florian when he said that Werdum had a better ground game and that Fedor should avoid going to the ground. Florian was about as right as one can get, it seems.

IC Champion 06-27-2010 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Narcissus (Post 3135430)
lol. Love how all of the Sherdog guys went apeshit on Florian when he said that Werdum had a better ground game and that Fedor should avoid going to the ground. Florian was about as right as one can get, it seems.
Florian is smart, and was right. He played into Werdum's hand.

Impact! 06-27-2010 05:00 AM
Fedor just fought very stupid. He seemed pretty pissed off though...I get the feeling that his next opponent might be in a bit of trouble.

Funky Fly 06-27-2010 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. JL (Post 3135414)
Honestly, I am pretty happy that he was defeated.
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Originally Posted by What Would Kevin Do? (Post 3135423)
His stock dropped a bit, so he won't be worth as much to the UFC now. Not saying it's a huge hit by any means, but he's no longer "unstoppable."
I too am happy because hopefully it means an end to this M-1 copromotion bullshit. That shit is poison to MMA. Also, it's a HUGE drop in stock. Werdum is not really the best (or even close to it) at heavyweight. Werdum's a great grappler, but there's no doubt in my mind that if Fedor had gone to the UFC or manned up and fought Ovareem that he'd be 30-2 just like now.
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Originally Posted by Narcissus (Post 3135430)
lol. Love how all of the Sherdog guys went apeshit on Florian when he said that Werdum had a better ground game and that Fedor should avoid going to the ground. Florian was about as right as one can get, it seems.
Not just Florian, King Mo. King Mo must be from the future because he calls everything exactly how it happens.

RP 06-27-2010 08:21 AM
Sherdog must be retarded then. Dont give credit to Florian and King Mo for stating obvious stuff here. Fabricio Werdrum has World Class BJJ. World Champion BJJ, European champion BJJ. THe guy has the absolute best BJJ out of any Heavyweight fighter in the world. Fedor was just dumb enough to dip in his guard twice. It was a horrible mistake.

And Ovareem would get his shit pushed in by Fedor. Come on.

Funky Fly 06-27-2010 08:53 AM
Let's be real, man. Ovareem has K1 level striking and top level grappling. He may not be Werdum, but he'd have a standing guillotine with Fedor's name on it. And if not he'd have some visicious knees to introduce him to. Don't forget King Mo trained with Werdum. Plus, everyone shits on King Mo's opinion, but he is always right. Look it up.

McLegend 06-27-2010 10:17 AM
Newstead is crying somewhere right now.

Savio 06-27-2010 11:42 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHA, Finally this hela-overrated guy loses. All this guy does is fight padding.

Stickman 06-27-2010 12:19 PM
I'm glad because I bet this makes it easier for the UFC to sign him. He'll probably retire before going there though.

Sixx 06-27-2010 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Savior (Post 3135790)
HAHAHAHAHAHA, Finally this hela-overrated guy loses. All this guy does is fight padding.
His record proves he's not overrated. Don't get what you mean.

Savio 06-27-2010 12:51 PM
Fedor fights low ranked contenders.

Reavant 06-27-2010 12:53 PM
dude stop being a hater.... hes fought top level guys

Sixx 06-27-2010 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Savior (Post 3135893)
Fedor fights low ranked contenders.
Are you crazy?

Nogueira, Filipović, Arlovski just to name a few.

IC Champion 06-27-2010 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Funky Fly (Post 3135694)
Let's be real, man. Ovareem has K1 level striking and top level grappling. He may not be Werdum, but he'd have a standing guillotine with Fedor's name on it. And if not he'd have some visicious knees to introduce him to. Don't forget King Mo trained with Werdum. Plus, everyone shits on King Mo's opinion, but he is always right. Look it up.
Overeem would get arm-barred or chocked out. People forget that Fedor has excellent hands, and went 5 rounds with somone like Cro Cop, a K-1 level striker. Fedor got caught in the triangle, of one of the best BJJ practicioners at any weight class. Anderson Silva got caught, as did GSP, and neither of there oppenants had a submission game close to Werdum's.

IC Champion 06-27-2010 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Reavant (Post 3135897)
dude stop being a hater.... hes fought top level guys
People don't like to remember PrideFC, or just don't care because it's not UFC.

Reavant 06-27-2010 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Instant Classic (Post 3135921)
Overeem would get arm-barred or chocked out. People forget that Fedor has excellent hands, and went 5 rounds with somone like Cro Cop, a K-1 level striker.
they didnt have five round fights in pride

Krimzon7 06-27-2010 01:21 PM
Fedor's loss equals Meh

IC Champion 06-27-2010 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Reavant (Post 3135929)
they didnt have five round fights in pride
I'm sorry im just used to the 5 round championship fights, he went the entire 20 or 25 minutes, which ever it was.

Jura 06-27-2010 02:50 PM
I'm disappointed Fedor fell for it twice. He should have known not to do it again when he almost barely got out of the submission the first time. I would like to see them fight again in the future and I'm pretty sure Fedor would win.

I'm not sure anyone will ever retire with an undefeated record having fought good competition. Even the greatest fighters across different sports have a few losses but MMA especially confirms that just one mistake or one punch could cost you a fight easily.

Reavant 06-27-2010 06:05 PM
outside of sylvia, he fought everyone when they were at the top.

IC Champion 06-27-2010 06:12 PM
But he hasn't fought Brock, and Carwin and this generation of heavyweights, and all people care about is what you've done latley.

Reavant 06-27-2010 06:16 PM
exactly.... a year ago (maybe more) none of these guys in the ufc outside of lesnar would have been considered worthy of fighting fedor.

IC Champion 06-27-2010 06:27 PM
Exactly. Fedor ran the gambit in his prime, and now they want him to do it again, and if he doesn't he's ducking competetion and has never fought anyone. Even if you make the claim he's ducking competetion, saying he hasn't beaten anybody is just insane.

IC Champion 06-27-2010 06:29 PM
Fedor isn't even a true Heavyweight in today's MMA. Hell if he got on a diet and wasn't allergic to sit ups and trained a bit better he could probably make weight at 185, and 205 for sure.

Savio 06-27-2010 06:34 PM
No people are saying he is number 1 right now (or yesterday). But he is not fighting top level contenders and just padding his record. He is not even fighting the champ in his own organization.

Back when he was fighting crocop sure fine call him #1, but he is not #1 now or yesterday or the day before.

IC Champion 06-27-2010 06:38 PM
That's still debatable, considering the two ranked behind him haven't beaten much in the way of top condtenders. Sure there is Mir, but before beating a sick Noguria and his "lucky" win over Brock pretty much everyone has written Mir off as a top contendor.

IC Champion 06-27-2010 06:39 PM
Oh, and after 116, Fedor wont be ranked #1 anymore.

Savio 06-27-2010 06:57 PM
Yes but they are beating top names now.

IC Champion 06-27-2010 07:07 PM
The only top name either of them have beat is Frank Mir. And Carwin beat Gonzaga, but he isn't a top 10 HW.

Funky Fly 06-27-2010 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Instant Classic (Post 3136279)
But he hasn't fought Brock, and Carwin and this generation of heavyweights, and all people care about is what you've done latley.
If you're gonna demand half of a company's profits, you'd damn well better be fighting the best guys. Running from Ovareem was bullshit and it IS ducking competition. And frankly, you can't call yourself the best when there are a fuckload of guys standing in line to take you on and you go fight the guy at the back of said line. And of course people only care about what you've done lately. This isn't pro wrestling, you don't just get given titles on name power.

Even if he's old, he should still strive to fight the best. I'm not saying he should Chuck Liddell himself, but he could take after Randy Couture a little.

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Originally Posted by Instant Classic (Post 3136307)
Exactly. Fedor ran the gambit in his prime, and now they want him to do it again, and if he doesn't he's ducking competetion and has never fought anyone. Even if you make the claim he's ducking competetion, saying he hasn't beaten anybody is just insane.
If he's not willing to fight guys on his level then he has no business fighting. The whole point is to fight better opponents and move up the ladder. MMA isn't about padding records to make a name for yourself. There's boxing for that. And no one except Savior thinks he hasn't fought anyone. He's just been avoiding doing it lately.

Funky Fly 06-27-2010 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Instant Classic (Post 3136354)
The only top name either of them have beat is Frank Mir. And Carwin beat Gonzaga, but he isn't a top 10 HW.
Lesnar beat Couture for his belt. He is a top name, but age has caught up to him. Fedor's not quite there yet, so he should be making the most of it.

IC Champion 06-27-2010 07:38 PM
Yeah he beat Couture, but Couture was well past his prime, and shouldn't have been fighting at HW at that point, but did fair well until gettin dropped.

Funky Fly 06-27-2010 07:41 PM
Actually Lesnar had a pretty hard time with him. Fairly well is like saying the ocean is kinda wet.

Savio 06-27-2010 07:43 PM
I don't think he hasn't fought anyone of importance. I just don't think he has fought anyone of importance recently.

Funky Fly 06-27-2010 07:43 PM
That makes a lot more sense.

IC Champion 06-27-2010 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Funky Fly (Post 3136372)
If you're gonna demand half of a company's profits, you'd damn well better be fighting the best guys. Running from Ovareem was bullshit and it IS ducking competition. And frankly, you can't call yourself the best when there are a fuckload of guys standing in line to take you on and you go fight the guy at the back of said line. And of course people only care about what you've done lately. This isn't pro wrestling, you don't just get given titles on name power.

Even if he's old, he should still strive to fight the best. I'm not saying he should Chuck Liddell himself, but he could take after Randy Couture a little.



If he's not willing to fight guys on his level then he has no business fighting. The whole point is to fight better opponents and move up the ladder. MMA isn't about padding records to make a name for yourself. There's boxing for that. And no one except Savior thinks he hasn't fought anyone. He's just been avoiding doing it lately.
He just fought Werdum, someone who will probably be ranked around #5 when the new rankings come out. Werdum was a worthy opponent. And to be fair, Overeem looks like he's juiced to the max. Granted he passed a test. Fedor hasn't gone on record saying he won't fight Overeem, atleast that I'm aware of. If Fedor would have won, then he was probably going to fight Overeem, as there would be no one else to fight. If he won, and didnt fight him than we can say for certain he was avoiding him.


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