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Jimmy Cones 07-09-2010 06:35 AM

Rank a Wrestler #9 - Chris Benoit
 


Quite literally insane, and quite literally one of the best technical wrestlers ever. He was even a horseman at one point, and one that I got behind even though the horseman thing had been rehashed. He had a lot of heart and determination that showed when he was in the ring. I still wonder why the WWE didn't do a stable with Chris, Eddy, Dean, and Perry. Some people don't think highly of his title reign, but I say the guy earned it. He damn well earned it.

Rankings
#1 Kurt Angle - 9.53
#2 Bret Hart - 9.05
#3 HHH - 7.89
#4 DDP - 7.69
#5 Kane - 7.33
#6 Rey Mysterio - 6.59
#7 MVP* - 5.95

Jimmy Cones 07-09-2010 06:36 AM

also...

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Destor posted this video about a year ago and I loved it then, figured here would be a good repost.

Juan 07-09-2010 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geno33soccer (Post 3152208)
I still wonder why the WWE didn't do a stable with Chris, Eddy, Dean, and Perry.

http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/q...o/radicalz.jpg

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Destor 07-09-2010 06:44 AM

is it the "no bravery" vid? pretty powerful vid imo.

Jimmy Cones 07-09-2010 06:46 AM

yeah, i may have not watched wrestling there for a bit. <s>also, i forgot the poll how do i put it up?</s>

got it

Joesgonnakillyou 07-09-2010 07:15 AM

I'll post this now before anyone does any lame jokes or starts saying "he couldn't work a mic" or any other BS.

Chris Benoit was my favourite wrestler and I considered him a hero, I'm still heartbroken by what happened. I'm not sure I can vote on the poll

Ruien 07-09-2010 08:45 AM

5, one dimensional. Could not hold a mic, let alone speak into one.

VSG 07-09-2010 08:46 AM

I voted 8, no comments.

Shaner 07-09-2010 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VSG (Post 3152281)
I voted 8, no comments.

Also this.

Nicky Fives 07-09-2010 09:38 AM

easily an 8.....

Savio 07-09-2010 10:32 AM

I am not a fan of people who KILL CHILDREN.

DaVe 07-09-2010 10:47 AM

we're not talking about the person, we're talking about the wrestler; hence the title.

i gave him a (low) 9

Sixx 07-09-2010 10:49 AM

10, always loved him.

Rammsteinmad 07-09-2010 10:50 AM

10. As far as I'm concerned he's the greatest of all time, but sadly his legacy has forever been tarnished by how it ended.

Obviously what he did outside of the ring was awful, but in the ring, there was no one better.

El Tigre 07-09-2010 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rammsteinmad (Post 3152363)
Obviously what he did outside of the ring was awful, but in the ring, there was no one better.

Exactly, regardless of how tragic the incident between him and his family was, it shouldn't completely ruin the legacy of one of wrestling's most prominent competitors. With his immense technical prowess and "rabid" mentality, I actually consider him to be in the same league as the Bret Harts and Kurt Angles of the business in terms of ability.

He gets a solid 9 from me.

Snowden 07-09-2010 11:07 AM

10 in the ring, 5 on the mic...I'll round up to an 8.

The Pope 07-09-2010 11:07 AM

8, Bad on the mic... and another reason is because he was in the midcard most of his career.
One of the best in the ring though, he had some amazing matches.

Favre4Ever 07-09-2010 11:08 AM

Benoit and Angle are the greatest ever in my mind.

I know this is an emotionally charged conversation, but frankly it's easy for me to separate Benoit the performer and Benoit the person. I gave him a 10.

The Pope 07-09-2010 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Favre4Ever (Post 3152374)
Benoit and Angle are the greatest ever in my mind.

I know this is an emotionally charged conversation, but frankly it's easy for me to separate Benoit the performer and Benoit the person. I gave him a 10.

:y:

Favre4Ever 07-09-2010 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruien (Post 3152279)
5, one dimensional. Could not hold a mic, let alone speak into one.

There IS a point that can be made for the one dimensional thing. I always loved Benoit's work as a heel, especially in 2000. I thought he seemed much more dangerous in his heel element, it was a place where he didn't really need to work on the mic. Especially around Unforgiven and Fully Loaded 2000, when Foley reversed two of his title "wins" in main event matches. As a face though, I thought sometimes he was hit or miss. He was NEVER hit or miss in the ring, though.

The Jayman 07-09-2010 11:13 AM

9, overall he was a solid performer who put on some great matches. The only reason I did not give him a 10 is because his mic work was a little off.

Favre4Ever 07-09-2010 11:21 AM

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If you haven't seen this, its one of the great matches of the decade. Couldn't find a non-spanish version.

Rammsteinmad 07-09-2010 12:25 PM

And easily my second favourite match of all time. :cool:

Haze 07-09-2010 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geno33soccer (Post 3152208)
I still wonder why the WWE didn't do a stable with Chris, Eddy, Dean, and Perry.

Do The Radicalz ring a bell?

Loose Cannon 07-09-2010 12:55 PM

yea wtf

BizarroKing 07-09-2010 01:17 PM

8 and keep in mind what he did wasn't necessarily his fault. it was the roids/medication he was drugged up on.

Sixx 07-09-2010 01:22 PM

Roidicalz, ahaha... ha... ugh.

Haze 07-09-2010 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BizarroKing (Post 3152536)
8 and keep in mind what he did wasn't necessarily his fault. it was the roids/medication he was drugged up on.

So if I want to kill someone, all I have to do is take roids/medication and I am absolved of responsibility for my actions?

Good to know.

Tazz Dan 07-09-2010 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Favre4Ever (Post 3152388)
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If you haven't seen this, its one of the great matches of the decade. Couldn't find a non-spanish version.

I can toatally se why Savior and DTTS gave him a '1' after watching this.

Razzamajazz 07-09-2010 04:56 PM

michael cole and tazz sound different when they speak spanish :shifty:

The Pope 07-09-2010 08:27 PM

I would've gave him a 10 but that would mean he'd be hanging by a thread by being compared to Angle and no one wants to see that. :shifty:

XCaliber 07-09-2010 10:56 PM

High 8 for his body of work that is all.

Providence Peep 07-09-2010 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaVe (Post 3152358)
we're not talking about the person, we're talking about the wrestler; hence the title.

i gave him a (low) 9

I don't think it's that easy to make a distinction between Chris Benoit the person and Chris Benoit the character. In fact, I'm not even sure if there was a Chris Benoit character, but if there was he wasn't much different from Benoit the person. I was there at MSG for WM 20, and when Benoit finally won the Championship I was standing, cheering, and applauding for Benoit the person.

Anyway, not withstanding the monstrous acts he committed in his final moments, he was one of the greatest in-ring wrestlers. I don't think what he did in his final moments can (or should) completely erase his years of entertaining the fans, though it certainly taints it. I'm giving him a 8 for his contribution to the business.

Haze 07-09-2010 11:11 PM

Gave him an 8 for what he did in the business, but I don't support him in any regard.

Tazz Dan 07-10-2010 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Providence Peep (Post 3153175)
I don't think it's that easy to make a distinction between Chris Benoit the person and Chris Benoit the character. In fact, I'm not even sure if there was a Chris Benoit character, but if there was he wasn't much different from Benoit the person. I was there at MSG for WM 20, and when Benoit finally won the Championship I was standing, cheering, and applauding for Benoit the person.

Anyway, not withstanding the monstrous acts he committed in his final moments, he was one of the greatest in-ring wrestlers. I don't think what he did in his final moments can (or should) completely erase his years of entertaining the fans, though it certainly taints it. I'm giving him a 8 for his contribution to the business.

There's quite a large difference. Benoit murdered his family. He never killed a man in cold blood in the ring.

CSL 07-10-2010 12:11 AM

7. It's a testament to his in-ring skills that he was as successful as he was because his delivery/personality/general acting skills were fucking awful.

Nowhere Man 07-10-2010 12:13 AM

This one's really tough for me. Benoit was, far and away, my absolute favorite wrestler of all time. When any of my friends asked me why I bothered watching wrestling, I'd put on Benoit/Angle from RR '03 or Benoit/Jericho from '00, and say "that's why." Then, of course, he murdered his family and hung himself. I don't think I've watched more than 45 consecutive minutes of any wrestling show since.

Still, as a performer, I have to give him an 8. His mediocre-at-best mic skills really held him back, but his skills in the ring were more than enough to make up for it in my eyes. I just wish they had been able to prevent what happened...maybe then I'd be able to watch one of his phenomenal matches again without wanting to throw up.

Destor 07-10-2010 06:42 AM

to the one dimensional comment: hes a wrestler...hes not trying to win an oscar...lol

Jura 07-11-2010 02:41 AM

I wish what happened didn't happen and that he was still wrestling in WWE along with Eddie Guerrero.

RiX1024 07-11-2010 05:58 PM

easily be a 10 especially by his in-ring skills but deducted points on poor mic skills and the fact he killed his family and himself.


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