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Supreme Olajuwon 07-15-2010 07:38 AM

Better Wrestler #163
 
The Hitman went all Mike Vick on the Bulldog, and the results were never in question. Now Bret must battle moderately well known luchador Ciclope. Wait a minute, Ciclope is unmasking... THAT'S NOT CICLOPE! IT'S DEAN MALENKO!
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VS.

http://www.accelerator3359.com/Wrest...s/malenko2.jpg
"The Man of 1,000 Holds" Dean Malenko

3 DAYS

<select><option selected="selected">Better Wrestler History</option><option>#1.RVD vs CM Punk (34-19)</option><option>#2.RVD vs Santino Marella (36-4)</option><option>#3.RVD vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (15-23)</option><option>#4."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Tully Blanchard (30-5)</option><option>#5."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Chris Jericho (15-23)</option><option>#6.Chris Jericho vs Brock Lesnar (34-10)</option><option>#7.Chris Jericho vs William Regal (38-14)</option><option>#8.Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (21-23)</option><option>#9.Eddie Guerrero vs Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (26-7)</option><option>#10.Eddie Guerrero vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (26-19)</option><option>#11.Eddie Guerrero vs Diamond Dallas Page (39-8)</option><option>#12.Eddie Guerrero vs "Stone Cold" Steve Austin(19-28)</option><option>#13."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Chris Benoit (32-13)</option><option>#14."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (29-10)</option><option>#15."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Sting (36-16)</option><option>#16."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (32-31)</option><option>#17.Hulk Hogan vs John Cena (15-24)</option><option>#18.John Cena vs Lex Luger (32-6)</option><option>#19.John Cena vs Ultimate Warrior (29-18)</option><option>#20.John Cena vs Dean Malenko (9-40)</option><option>#21.Dean Malenko vs Billy Kidman (31-7)</option><option>#22.Dean Malenko vs Ultimo Dragon (22-15)</option><option>#23.Dean Malenko vs Taz (15-17)</option><option>#24.Taz vs Sabu (38-2)</option><option>#25.Taz vs Jeff Hardy (25-16)</option><option>#26.Taz vs Bam Bam Bigelow (26-12)</option><option>#27.Taz vs Triple H (24-22)</option><option>#28.Edge vs Christian Cage (22-23)</option><option>#29.Christian Cage vs Raven (23-22)</option><option>#30.Christian vs Matt Hardy (22-19)</option><option>#31.Christian vs Ted Dibiase (24-25)</option><option>#32.Ted Dibiase vs "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (16-19)</option><option>#33."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs "The British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith (25-19)</option><option>#34."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs Bob Backlund (26-6)</option><option>#35."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs The Dynamite Kid (26-13)</option><option>#36."Rowdy Roddy Piper vs Ric Flair (16-19)</option><option>#37.Ric Flair vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (19-17)</option><option>#38.Ric Flair vs Andre "The Giant" (28-5)</option><option>#39.Ric Flair vs Triple H (26-11)</option><option>#40.Ric Flair vs Shawn Michaels (20-26)</option><option>#41.Shawn Michaels vs Jushin "Thunder" Lyger (26-15)</option><option>#42.Shawn Michaels vs Perry Saturn (36-12)</option><option>#43.Shawn Michaels vs The Undertaker (29-11)</option><option>#44.Shawn Michaels vs The Rock (28-30)</option><option>#45.The Rock vs Trish Stratus (21-16)</option><option>#46.The Rock vs Lance Storm (22-19)</option><option>#47.The Rock vs Owen Hart (18-12)</option><option>#48.The Rock vs Kurt Angle (5-24)</option><option>#49.Kurt Angle vs Ken Shamrock (36-5)</option><option>#50.Kurt Angle vs Rob Van Dam (23-13)</option><option>#51.Kurt Angle vs "King Kong" Bruiser Brody (20-10)</option><option>#52.Kurt Angle vs Mick Foley (31-6)</option><option>#53.John Morrison vs Braden Walker (36-11)</option><option>#54.John Morrison vs Kofi Kingston (34-5)</option><option>#55.John Morrison vs CM Punk (14-28)</option><option>#56.CM Punk vs Tajiri (28-20)</option><option>#57.CM Punk vs Booker T (24-23)</option><option>#58.CM Punk vs Samoa Joe (53-4)</option><option>#59.CM Punk vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (19-36)</option><option>#60."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs "Adorable" Adrian Adonis (47-2)</option><option>#61."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Goldberg (49-4)</option><option>#62."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (31-38)</option><option>#63."Mr.Perfect" Curt Hennig vs "Diamond" Dallas Page (51-17)</option><option>#64."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs William Regal (37-18)</option><option>#65."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Brock Lesnar (48-4)</option><option>#66."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Eddie Guerrero (39-40)</option><option>#67. Eddie Guerrero vs Arn Anderson (33-22)</option><option>#68. Eddie Guerrero vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (37-36)</option><option>#69. Eddie Guerrero vs Sting (41-16)</option><option>#70. Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (45-18)</option><option>#71. Chris Jericho vs Rey Mysterio (63-3)</option><option>#72. Chris Jericho vs Kevin Nash (54-12)</option><option>#73. Chris Jericho vs Dean Malenko (39-9)</option><option>#74. Chris Jericho vs Ricky Steamboat (41-30)</option><option>#75. Masato Tanaka vs Mike Awesome (24-18)</option><option>#76. Masato Tanaka vs X-Pac (34-16)</option><option>#77. Masato Tanaka vs Rikishi (36-13)</option><option>#78. Brian Pillman vs Masato Tanaka (31-13)</option><option>#79. Brian Pillman vs Road Dogg (44-7)</option><option>#80. Ultimo Dragon vs Brian Pillman (29-28)</option><option>#81. Ultimo Dragon vs Goldust (35-19)</option><option>#82. Ultimo Dragon vs Barry Windham (36-9)</option><option>#83. Ultimo Dragon vs Randy Orton (35-34)</option><option>#84. Edge vs Ultimo Dragon (48-8)</option><option>#85. Edge vs Jeff Hardy (54-5)</option><option>#86. Edge vs Razor Ramon (44-21)</option><option>#87. Ted Dibiase vs Edge (39-33)</option><option>#88. Ted Dibiase vs Doink the Clown (59-4)</option><option>#89. Ted Dibiase vs Rick Rude (34-20)</option><option>#90. Ted Dibiase vs. Christian (39-32)</option><option>#91. Ted Dibiase vs. Bret Hart (24-55)</option><option>#92. Bret Hart vs. Scott Steiner (56-8)</option><option>#93. Bret Hart vs. Christopher Daniels (47-15)</option><option>#94. Bret Hart vs. Triple H (40-22)</option><option>#95. Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels (26-47)</option><option>#96. Shawn Michaels vs. Marty Jannetty (54-7)</option><option>#97. Shawn Michaels vs. Bryan Danielson (36-12)</option><option>#98. Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Benoit (38-33)</option><option>#99. Shawn Michaels vs. The Rock (44-34)</option><option>#100. Earthquake vs. Vader (10-65)</option><option>#101. Vader vs. Bam Bam Bigelow (33-32)</option><option>#102. Vader vs. The Great Muta (32-29)</option><option>#103. Vader vs. Mick Foley (16-42)</option><option>#104. Mick Foley vs. Al Snow (49-7)</option><option>#105. Mick Foley vs. Jerry Lynn (41-11)</option><option>#106. Mick Foley vs. Rob Van Dam (24-38)</option><option>#107. Rob Van Dam vs. Tommy Dreamer (52-4)</option><option>#108. Rob Van Dam vs. John Morrison (54-14)</option><option>#109. Rob Van Dam vs. Owen Hart (36-36)</option><option>#110. Rob Van Dam vs. The Undertaker (22-53)</option><option>#111. The Undertaker vs. Owen Hart (62-16)</option><option>#112. The Undertaker vs. Kane (63-3)</option><option>#113. The Undertaker vs. Diamond Dallas Page (51-18)</option><option>#114. The Undertaker vs. Ric Flair (44-43)</option><option>#115. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. Ron Simmons (33-25)</option><option>#116. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. Juventud Guerrera (28-19)</option><option>#117. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. The Big Show (25-39)</option><option>#118. The Big Show vs. Sid (50-10)</option><option>#119. The Big Show vs. Lance Storm (18-48)</option><option>#120. Lance Storm vs. Meng (65-7)</option><option>#121. Lance Storm vs. John Cena (53-18)</option><option>#122. Lance Storm vs. Sting (23-50)</option><option>#123. Sting vs. The Ultimate Warrior (57-18)</option><option>#124. Sting vs. Dusty Rhodes (50-24)</option><option>#125. Sting vs. CM Punk (41-32)</option><option>#126. Sting vs. Randy Savage (27-50)</option><option>#127. Randy Savage vs. Jim Duggan (65-7)</option><option>#128. Randy Savage vs. AJ Styles (64-13)</option><option>#129. Randy Savage vs. Booker T (61-16)</option><option>#130. Randy Savage vs. Roddy Piper (55-27)</option><option>#131. Rick Martel vs. Tito Santana (35-29)</option><option>#132. Rick Martel vs. Shane Douglas (29-36)</option><option>#133. Shane Douglas vs. Rhino (35-38)</option><option>#134. Rhino vs. Jeff Jarrett (30-36)</option><option>#135. Jeff Jarrett vs. Mike Rotunda (30-38)</option><option>#136. Mike Rotunda vs. Chris Kanyon (44-24)</option><option>#137. Mike Rotunda vs. Barry Windham (38-17)</option><option>#138. Mike Rotunda vs. Scott Hall (11-63)</option><option>#139. Scott Hall vs. Goldberg (60-17)</option><option>#140. Scott Hall vs. Kevin Nash (47-31)</option><option>#141. Scott Hall vs. Brian Pillman (44-34)</option><option>#142. Scott Hall vs. Edge (26-64)</option><option>#143. Edge vs. Matt Hardy (71-12)</option><option>#144. Edge vs. Arn Anderson (38-34)</option><option>#145. Edge vs. Randy Orton (45-36)</option><option>#146. Edge vs. Triple H (29-47)</option><option>#147. Triple H vs. Batista (65-8)</option><option>#148. Triple H vs. Raven (54-25)</option><option>#149. Triple H vs. Ricky Steamboat (44-43)</option><option>#150. Triple H vs. Eddie Guerrero (43-56)</option><option>#151. Eddie Guerrero vs. Trish Stratus (58-12)</option><option>#152. Eddie Guerrero vs. The Great Muta (47-11)</option><option>#153. Eddie Guerrero vs. Curt Hennig (34-43)</option><option>#154. Curt Hennig vs. Jerry Lawler (63-9)</option><option>#155. Curt Hennig vs. Hulk Hogan (54-17)</option><option>#156. Curt Hennig vs. Christian (47-26)</option><option>#157. Curt Hennig vs. The Rock (31-44)</option><option>#158. The Rock vs. Steve Blackman (54-22)</option><option>#159. The Rock vs. Vader (54-14)</option><option>#160. The Rock vs. Mick Foley (48-22)</option><option>#161. The Rock vs. Bret Hart (42-49)</option><option>#162. Bret Hart vs. Davey Boy Smith (70-8)</option></select>

<select><option selected="selected">Better Wrestler Hall of Fame</option><option>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin</option><option>Taz</option><option>Kurt Angle</option><option>Chris Jericho</option><option>Shawn Michaels</option><option>The Undertaker</option><option>"Macho Man" Randy Savage</option></select>

Better Wrestler All Time Records

The Mackem 07-15-2010 08:04 AM

That is probably my favourite Dean Malenko moment. Malenko comes across as one of those nearly men that WCW couldn't move on past crusierweight level and WWE didn't exactly bother to try.

TheFallenOneX 07-15-2010 08:19 AM

Dean Malenko has my vote......against any other wrestler except Bret Hart

Volare 07-15-2010 08:36 AM

This is one of those instances where I wish I had a time machine to win the lottery, buy WCW, and try to make it better just for Malenko's sake.

Seth82 07-15-2010 09:20 AM

gonna go with Dean Malenko

he had some great cruiserweight matches in 1996-97

Biggz 07-15-2010 11:21 AM

Malenko had great submissions but still have to give it to Bret.

jskinnyg 07-15-2010 11:33 AM

Well, everyone knows I am slightly Anti-Bret because I believe he sucked on the mic... However Bret is clearly the better overall talent here... Malenko is one of my fav wrestlers but his personality on the mic was made fun of by the best (not Bret)...

But I still voted Dean out of spite... Sorry I'm biased...

Wolfpack423 07-15-2010 11:35 AM

These are two of my favorites. I have to go with Bret Hart as he is my second favorite of all time after Sting, but I also think he was better in the ring since that's what we're judging. Let's not forget an awesome fact that Dean was #1 in the PW1 500 in 1997.

XCaliber 07-15-2010 12:13 PM

Bret by a mile no contest.

Anybody Thrilla 07-15-2010 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seth82 (Post 3159980)
gonna go with Dean Malenko

he had some great cruiserweight matches in 1996-97

So did Super Calo. Would you put him ahead of the Hitman?

Schlomey 07-15-2010 12:22 PM

I voted for Malenko. This one was tough. Malenko had even less charisma than Bret which was hard to do......but I enjoyed the in ring work of Malenko just slightly more during the WCW cruiserweight heyday.

Very very very close battle might as well been a tie.

Seth82 07-15-2010 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 3160202)
So did Super Calo. Would you put him ahead of the Hitman?

No but I figured Bret was gonna win anyway

The Pope 07-15-2010 12:30 PM

Malenko, better in ring skills.

Supreme Olajuwon 07-15-2010 12:32 PM

This matchup will answer the ever burning question, if you sit on someone's back and lift their legs in the air in diamond shape, do you stick your own leg in the middle of your opponent's legs? That's what everyone wants to know.

Ultra Mantis 07-15-2010 12:36 PM

Both were great technicians who weren't so hot on the mic. Bret was definately the more capable talker but Malenko's feud with Jericho is one of my all time favourites so he gets the nod in this round.

Anybody Thrilla 07-15-2010 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seth82 (Post 3160222)
No but I figured Bret was gonna win anyway

But do you think Bret Hart is a better wrestler than Dean Malenko?

Schlomey 07-15-2010 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultra Mantis (Post 3160235)
Both were great technicians who weren't so hot on the mic. Bret was definately the more capable talker but Malenko's feud with Jericho is one of my all time favourites so he gets the nod in this round.


:y:


The closest things involving bret were his feud with Hart around WM12 and his longtime feud with Owen. Those were both great and career making/changing.

But as far as the actual wrestling goes....my favorite wrestling match is the halloween havok Malenko vs Jericho battle.

Anybody Thrilla 07-15-2010 12:51 PM

I'd put Bret vs. Owen at Wrestlemania X up against Malenko vs. Jericho at Halloween Havoc any day.

Seth82 07-15-2010 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 3160245)
But do you think Bret Hart is a better wrestler than Dean Malenko?

Yes... sorta

they were both fantastic technical wrestlers but Bret was better

Anybody Thrilla 07-15-2010 12:52 PM

And "Conspiracy Victim", "Paragon of Virtue", "Man of 1,004 Holds" Chris Jericho is my favorite character in the history of wrestling, for the record.

Anybody Thrilla 07-15-2010 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seth82 (Post 3160255)
Yes... sorta

they were both fantastic technical wrestlers but Bret was better

So please remind me why you voted for Dean Malenko.

Schlomey 07-15-2010 12:53 PM

bret vs owen was a great match fueled mostly by emotion.

The jericho vs malenko match was fueled by animosity and the element of surprise.....


so yes...they compliment each other very well and would do good in battle.

Anybody Thrilla 07-15-2010 12:56 PM

You didn't feel any antimosity in the Bret v. Owen match? It didn't need any element of surprise, because it was a compelling feud without it. I'm not trying to take anything away from Malenko and Jericho there, but Bret v. Owen was pure class.

Schlomey 07-15-2010 12:57 PM

I'm in total agreement. Both matches are in the upper echelon of sports entertainment that is for sure.

Gertner 07-15-2010 01:44 PM

Stinko Malenko by a mile.

RiX1024 07-15-2010 01:59 PM

Bret Hart hands down. Still Malenko is a great wrestler but hasnt got the star power like Hart.

Nicky Fives 07-15-2010 03:50 PM

Huge fan of Dean-o The Machin-o....... but Bret still wins by a landslide

Destor 07-15-2010 04:11 PM

I can not come up with any argument to justify Malenko over bret :(

The Mackem 07-15-2010 04:27 PM

Was just watching Bret Hart vs. Flair for the WWF title back in 92. Got the thing saved to my computer but the file corrupts after about seven minutes. Thank God for Daily Motion.

Joesgonnakillyou 07-15-2010 04:37 PM

Bret Hart, of course.

I love Malenko, amazing wrestler, but still. It's Bret fucking Hart

Haze 07-15-2010 08:46 PM

Dean is great.

Bret was better.

MoFo 07-16-2010 05:38 AM

lol no

have u even watched Malenko v Scotty 2 Hotty its better than any Bret match ever

Destor 07-16-2010 06:15 AM

i wonder how many malenko votes are pro-malenko vs anti bret...we should make a second poll :shifty:

Skippord 07-16-2010 06:33 AM

I voted Malenko

basically a vote so I can comment on how much I hate Super Calo

Anybody Thrilla 07-16-2010 10:55 AM

But his glasses NEVER fall off!

BizarroKing 07-16-2010 02:39 PM

Bret Hart. Malenko is good but Hart is more experienced and can talk (somewhat)

Beth Phoenix Fan 07-16-2010 08:43 PM

Dean Malenko and Bret Hart had some awesome matches back in the day
Bret Hart vs Mr. Perfect - summerslam 1991 is one of my all time favorite bret hart matches. Dean Malenko was a great wrestler but bret's matches were almost always at the top of the card, dean makenko's matches on the lower to mid-card. this was a tough one for me. i think that if bret would've wrestled malenko, it would of been one hell of a match, with bret winning.

my decision - I did it for....The Hitman!

The Pope 07-16-2010 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beth Phoenix Fan (Post 3162522)
my decision - I did it for....The Hitman!

I voted for Malenko, I did it for The Rock.

Ultra Mantis 07-17-2010 10:49 AM

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Rammsteinmad 07-17-2010 04:37 PM

I went with Dean Malenko with this one. Props to Bret and all, but Malenko is one of my all-time faves, who's ability in the ring more than made up for his lack of charisma. And size.


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