So does anyone actually blame The Rock?
 

I'm just wondering if anyone actually think Cena has any point whatsoever, really the only thing Cena's been saying in his promos against The Rock is that he left WWE for Hollywood, is that he does most of his promos via satellite.

Let's be honest though can you blame The Rock? He's retired from wrestling pure and simple. He accomplished everything he could accomplish in wrestling and he moved on to new things. H's not a Brock Lesnar who came and went in a flash, The Rock was in the WWE from 1996-2004 that's 8 years (his last match being at Mania 20), the same as Austin (1995-2003), then when opportunity came to move on after accomplishing everything you could imagine doing in the wrestling business he took, he got out of the business with his health and life in tact. Something a lot of wrestlers never get the chance to do. Look at Ric Flair he's a living joke these days because he couldn't manage his money so he needs the business just to stay a float. Look at Bret, the business gave him a stroke for fuck sakes.

How can anyone blame The Rock for actually retiring and moving on to a new job with better pay, better health standards and better working conditions, not to mention less time away from home. He knows first hand what the business does to it's people, he's a third generation wrestler I'm sure he's witnessed plenty of wrestler's break down mentally/physically, he's seen wrestler's die at a terribly young age. The fact is The Rock is a success story in wrestling, he did it all and to boot he's not going to end up just another dead wrestler.

I don't blame him, but I do mark out everytime he comes back.

And that's the way it should be. Which is why I don't even buy this whole you suck because you're doing promos by satellite BS. Cena's the fucking heel in this feud, easily.

I think the fact is, we miss him greatly. I cant remember a time where I ever hated to see him on my screen. You got Cena whom most of the old school fans despise eating up airtime. I think we all long for the days where Rock, Austin, Jericho, Benoit, HHH, Taker and Angle took up 80% if airtime.

For sure as do I, but I'm happy fro him at the same time, he doesn't owe us anything. The fact that he comes back from time to time in any shape or form should be celebrated. Again most people do but I hear from a few people how Cena has a point in some of his promos, and I just don't see any point in what he's saying, not the you left for Hollywood, nor the you do your promos via Satellite

Cena's just bitter because Rock's movies actually get a wide theater release

I think the main issue that Cena has with The Rock, is that The Rock continuously says that he LOVES the wrestling business....and yet he never once showed up for 7 years. Yes - The Rock has moved on and yes...The Rock doesn't owe us anything, but why completely alienate the people that made you? Why not make more frequent appearances? Why did it take The Rock seven years to come back to the WWE?

Is The Rock's schedule really that busy? Perhaps guys like me and Cena are underestimaing the time commitments of a Hollywood actor?.....or, perhaps The Rock didn't want to be associated with pro wrestling...since he figured that any ties with pro wrestling would hurt his Hollywood image. Why did Dwayne Johnson go out of his way to make sure that people weren't referring to him as 'The Rock' in Hollywood?

Maybe Cena has some valid points? By the way - Chris Jericho has also expressed similar sentiments publicly (i.e. Why can't The Rock make more appearances?).

It didn't take him 7 years, he did periodic things from time to time (not in ring mind you). Again why do you demand retired wrestlers continuously show up? He distanced himself at a time where the product was bad and his movies were for kids. As for asking to not be referred to as The Rock in movies why wouldn't he use your real name, he's an actor playing new characters, why be The Rock playing John Smith, when he can be himself playing John Smith. It's called moving on, and just because he moved on doesn't mean he hates the business either.

And The Fans didn't make The Rock, The Rock made The Rock.

The ability to let go and move on does not equal being ungrateful or unappreciative. Rock can love the fans all he wants in his own way, but he left wrestling. Acting is/was his job, why should he be obligated to show up more frequently to his last job in his free time? I know I don't.

He can be grateful without having to ever show up at all. The fact he's even entertained the idea to come back speaks volumes. Acting is cake compared to wrestling, and the paycheck is a lot bigger as well. Sure his movies haven't been box office hits, but I'm sure that has nothing to do with his possible return because the jobs are still there and the money is still good. He's doing this right now out of love for the fans and anyone who complains about it not being enough is just an unappreciative twat

I'd say Cena should give us what The Rock gave us before he says anything about what The Rock is doing now.

I completely agree with LE on this, the man gave us everything for 8 years which is more then can be said for some people. Even heel Rock was likable. The fact, as LE said that he managed to escape not only with his health but at the highest point in his career and finances set, I give him much kudos for. He didnt take unnecessary risks and he stopped BEFORE he had a career ending injury.

For anyone who has ever read his biography, you would clearly know what he wanted to do in the business and the fact that he did that and ALOT more is astounding. He drove the proverbial wagon or rode shotgun with Austin for 6 years in which time wrestling was at the height of popularity.

Simply put, he paid his dues now its time for someone else to do it and when you look at it, its nothing more the Cena admitting he is nothing close to what The Rock was.

Gonna go to the grocery store tomorrow and help stock vegetables.

You better do it more often than that. Not like you could possibly have better or more important shit to do than make charity appearances at your last job (assuming that was your last job?)

FearedSanctity, is your avatar a mutant Denver Broncos logo?

That it is. Taken from some god awful cookie maker

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Thats a cake dude.

Even says cake on the image lol

Cookie, cake. Whatever, it's shit

tbh no idea why I said cookie when all the evidence for it being a cake is right there :-\

That kinda looks like Skeletor from He-Man.

It is a cookie-cake. A large oversized cookie that is especially soft and chewy and frosted like a traditional cake.

On the topic: the best thing about the entire angle, aside from being based in truth, is the true drama stemming from two people who just see it their own way instead of having to shoehorn this into "face vs heel" mentality.

Off topic: that cake... wow. Looks like that one "zombie guitar player dude"* from Darkstalkers.

*Yeah, I know. Everyone only remembers Morrigan or Felicia because they have tits.

Yeah I guess that's what I had figured what with it having no real icing at all, other than the logo and letters, and what looks like chocolate chips

That is horrible though. I hope they got a discount.

Aaaand to slowly transition back on topic...

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Seriously though, I think we all long for a Rock/HHH style feud again :(

What the fuck? Is that supposed to be John Cena?

^ My guess is its Gavyn from the future.

Anyhoo, The Rock cannot be blamed for the path he chose. Some would say he used the WWF(E) as a tool to get in to Hollywood, but then again, what could be the next big step after having done all that could possibly be done in that 8 year stint?

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I actually enjoy The Rock's movies.

I think the Walking Tall remake was good.

And I haven't seen the Tooth Fairy, which I guess is a good thing.

That would be a valid claim had The Rock jumped to Hollywood after a year or two. Pretty sure back in 96 when he started he wasn't going just 8 more years of this till I can go to Hollywood.

Except Cena's just flat out wrong, and he comes off looking like a prick. Who doesn't appreciate the groundwork laid by those who came before him.

Which is wrong, cause come on, I'm 100% sure even The Rock didn't know he would end up in Hollywood.

Yeah I thought that was an interesting part for Cena to ignore. All the things Rock accomplished outside of wrestling opened the door for all the other superstars attempts at outside fame

Cena is just bitter cause noone, except for WWE would cast him in a movie.

What's really weird about this feud is it's really exposing Cena's flaws even more then they already had been in the past.


The Rock is just eclipsing Cena in every way

Cena's not benefiting from this feud whatsoever and I think it goes back to the fact that Cena just doesn't have anything valid to say to The Rock. He doesn't have a leg to stand on and he's drowning.

Fuck Dwayne Johnson.

And John Cena is crushing him in these promos.

Both of them are saying stupid, immature shit, yet it's okay when dwayne says it? Get the fuck outta here.

And tonight, with the 'I Bring It via Satillite' shirt, Cena smashed him.

Even the fucking Miz is out promoing Dwayne.

I agree that the Rock didn't use the WWF(E) as a means to an end, and what he did opened up the road for WWE movies.

As of this moment, it appears as if the WWE needs The Rock more than the other way around - and instead of having him guest host a RAW, or appear via satellite for a single promo, they went ahead with the best idea that got everyone hooked. What would be interesting is if the seeds planted for this (Cena's earlier comments about the Rock) were a lead up to a plan that only got in motion right now, thanks to The Rock's schedule, or any other such logistical problem.

Dont feed the trolls.

The Rock was raised in the wrestling business and I believe that he loves it but he wants to be able to walk when he is 60 and not be in pain. Cena's point of view in this feud is the view of a jealous cunt. Cena would love to be able to make millions of dollars by being in real studio films instead of the shit Vince puts out, but at the end of the day Cena ain't got the charisma that Rocky has.

Welcome to the IWC. You might want to get used to these double standards.

And there in lies my problem with using The Rock at all.

He shouldn't be taking the spotlight off the current guys and he certainly shouldn't be making them look bad.

I don't blame Rock for leaving. All power to him. I just don't like that pretty much everyone is on his dick 24/7.

He cut a decent return promo (that was then heralded as the greatest thing in years)...well I should fucking think so too! One of the top faces of wrestling in any era, reknown for his use of the mic, who is a HOLLYWOOD actor should be able to "knock it out of the park". Especially given the material. A return promo that plays to the "smark" crowd. I mean, c'mon! You guys are buying this shit?

Cena's rebuttal to that original promo was excellent. The rhymes were funny in places and hit home on a few fair points. But, all in all, it's a wrestling storyline at the end of the day. The guy(s) doesn't even have to believe what he's/they're saying. Hell, it doesn't even need to make sense.

Honestly, you guys - especially Lara - are coming off as real marks.

[The use of the term "mark" is not meant in a derogatory way.]