Interesting point about the Guest Hosts
 

Before the Guest hosts I always thought WWE was higher up in the levels of the entertainment world. Other than in the USA was this perception that WWE could have actuall hollywood stars host Raw.

I mean at one stage they had Ali at wrestlemania then cut to Raw with all these lame asses hosting it. This guest host thing has shown the world just how little wrestling is valued. Can't even get anyone with world recognition.mmeh.

Snookie? Pretty famous

Aside from Lady Gaga, Justin Bieber, and Charlie Sheen she is one of the hottest topics in the USA.

You offer no other choices as well. What guests would make you happy?

She's a D list celeb come on.

What, you think they are gonna get Christian Bale? She is famous and has a large following that's all they want. WWE isn't high art its entertainment.

Are you looking for George Clooney to host Raw? They've always had Chuck Norris level guys at best. Ali isn't really as big as you make him out to be. They got him after he retired. They've had Mike Tyson as a guest host so there you go.

Burt Reynolds, William Shatner, Ronda Shear from USA's Up All Night, Jenny McCarthy, Pam Anderson, Lawrence Taylor, Walter Peyton, Vanna White, Bob Uecker, Alice Cooper, Ozzy Osbourne to name a few of the hot stars from back in the day.

IN 5 years, yes.

Right now, no.

At this very moment, Snooki and Situation and all those characters, whether people like it or not, are A list celebrities in the eyes of every media outlet and pop culture.
Sorry.

JTT!

To be honest Snooki is a HUGE land for WWE. One of the biggest guests ever.

Unless we're judging the grade list by talent, in which case Paul Giamatti or somebody is an A-lister and Justin Bieber isn't.

It's really not up to taste. It's just a basic fact that Snooki and Co. are genuinely famous.

This.

Not to mention the fact that last year's guest hosts weren't entirely "D listers" and "jokes."

They were doing it every week, and in different cities. That has a big impact on who they're booking.
It's not the same as booking a Late Night talk show in LA or NY where celebs are lined up in their hometown to promote their latest venture.

Good luck getting the cast of a hit movie to fly to Detroit to promote some flick.
So the quality of hosts was inconsistent at best.

They got some high profile pro-athletes, and recongizable actors/comedians that I can remember.

No, they aren't. They are known by followers of "Jersey Shore". To everyone else they are "Who the hell are these people, and why should I care" kinda "celebs".

I barely know who Snooki is, and never even saw her picture until this promotion for Guest Host.

I would imagine Bradley Cooper was probably wondering what the hell he was doing on Raw is War in 2010, tbh.

Honestly if it wasn't for the internet and South Park I would have no idea who Snooki is. But yeah most guest hosts are mediocre or just plain suck.

Yeah seriously. LOL at the idea of her being A-List

That is your version of reality, but it's not really debateable who is a celebrity or not.

I have to be a follower of Jersey Shore to know who Snooki is?

Also, has it occured to you to consider that maybe, just maybe, the following of the Jersey Shore is at fame levels?
People watch it. Tons of them. More than other A list forms of entertainment. Fact not opinion.

It doesn't matter if you or I agree with the merit in it.

I really hate the whole, "these people aren't famous because I don't respect them" thing.

It has nothing to do with that. Next thing you're going to tell me Charlie Sheen isn't famous right now, because you don't give a fuck and only followers of Two and A Half Men and Wall Street do.

But you do. That's the end of it.

Thanks to the internet. Pretty minor communication outlet there. And South Park, which prides itself on referencing everything current and relevant in pop culture.

You people are mad.

Actually quality does come in to play in context of this thread and in context of grade, Snookie is more infamous then famous.


A huge coup would be attracting a respectable celebrit, not someone who is basically famous for being famous

Whatever, Snooki is famous if you don't understand that your fucking ignorant to the obvious.

Again, what is A list to you?

Last time I checked, the term wasn't in reference to people's own opinions or rankings of talent.
It was about fame.

I assure you that talent and your personal opinion have nothing to do with fame in modern society. There are tons of people famous as hell for no real reason other than being famous, but that's just the way it is.

Are you going to tell me that Lindsay Lohan or Paris Hilton aren't practically household names?

This has 0 to do with the topic. You "loled" at the idea of her being A list or famous.

Now it's about what's respectable? I never based my argument on her credentials as an actress or artist here, so let's not try to turn it around now.

Meryl Streep would be a great host. Oh wait, how about recent Academy Award winner Colin Firth! I bet they would be great for Raw. Do you know what you are watching tonight? RAW, just one step above Jerry Springer and one step below the Jersey Shore.

Or can't seperate your own opinions and feelings on matters/people from the truth of what is going on in the world.

A common trend here on TPWW

I agree with this. When I think "A-List," I think of top flight, like "Grade A." If you get an A-Lister, it means you're getting not only one of the hottest stars in entertainment, but one of the most talented, as well. You know, Brad Pitt, Christian Bale, etc. Snooki's not really D-List, but her recognizability has nothing to do with talent. She doesn't even qualify to be an A-Lister.

I think the saddest thing about the Guest Host stuff is that the WWE makes such a big deal about this mediocre celebrity being there, as if suddenly they are now worthy. It makes the WWE look like they are trying to cling onto pop-culture and say "Hey look! We're cool!" Really transparent and horrible marketing, in my opinion. But hey, as someone said, the WWE's not exactly high art.

I ain't never watched the Jersey Shore but being from the UK all I know is that Sookie is a talentless cunt but whatever, I am however interested in what the age rating is for the Jersey Shore

I suppose I would be crazy to recognize the fact that, at the moment, Snooki is probably more "trending" and "relevant", "famous", "talked about" than Meryl Streep or actress.

That may be a sad state of affairs, but I shouldn't be dismissed for recognizing what is going on in the world.

You can just as easily make some misguided argument like the BP Oil Spill or Japan Tsunami's aren't a big deal in the world because "I didn't even hear about them until today on the internet."

Ignorance and delusion apparently passes as a barometer for reality on the internet.

She's still disposable.

Never said she wasn't famous or wasn't a celebrity. Just said that she is not an "A-List celebrity".

Everybody says that Jersey Shore has the same audience as WWE, if that is true then it's a smart choice to potential hook viewers going into the biggest PPV of all the times. It's not about pleasing US, it's about hooking THEM. Business, get it?

Charlie Sheen, at this very moment, is more famous than Colin Firth. How dare I?

Must mean I'm a degenerate follower of Two and a Half Men and contributing to the downfall of western society.

no I lol'd at her being considered A-List. Of course she's famous. So are a lot of people. I think of A-listers as the you know huge movie stars whose name alone can bring in huge cash at the box office, whose name is universal and transcends age ranges

So are we now saying that famous and A-list are the same thing? Because I'd argue that. That's what things like the self-destructions of Tom Cruise and Charlie Sheen get so much attention. Because these A-list stars suddenly drop down to the level of a Snooki or a Paris Hilton -- essentially a parody and an "A-star" fizzling out and becoming a black hole of celebritydom.

If anything this should be an indication that they are really trying to break out of PG.

Well let's not argue over a simple term like "A-list" she is famous as hell right now. And yes, Charlie Sheen is more famous than the Earthquake, horrible but true.

Do I want Snookie on my Raw? Nah, not unless it's really funny. I just want a good show going into the PPV. Also, I am a huge supporter of WWE getting better ratings and PPV buys than ever, and if stuff like this helps then I am all for it.

I'm just curious to hear who is, though. And what constitutes celebrity.


Also, you did. I said they were genuinely famous and you responded "No they aren't. They are known to followers of Jersey Shore. To everyone else they are known as "who the hell are these people?"

There you go.

It will naturally happen anyway, as the PG audience grows into a TV-14 audience, just like last time. I was a kid with HBK and a teen who wanted more "fuck you" with Austin.

It's always the cycle of the business, which is one of the reasons you don't see me complain about PG WWE. I personally needed them to lay off the excessive violence so they could learn how to wrestle again, and they are absolutely getting there.

I feel that over the next year we will see elements of more adult style programming but it may be less "bawdy" than in the past, so to keep the
PG rating.

A-List is a term used to rank. It's in the very language of the word.

A-List is used to gauge someone's fame plain and simple. If Snooki was attending a Hollywood party, would she be on the D-List with Corey Feldman and Pauly Shore?
This stuff is all bullshit but it exists.

She is an A-that thList celebrity. It doesn't matter if it's only going to last a year. That's all I'm saying.

It's easy to change now and say "well this just comes down to definition of what A-list is"

It's quite clear to read in the thread ere was serious contention to the idea of her being famous on massive levels, just because of matter of ignorance or personal opinion.
That is wrong. False. She is more famous than sin and that's the way it is on Planet Earth today. We don't have to like it.

That's really all I have to add. I can't sit here and argue the color of the sky.


And I have no energy to respond to Noid and the infamous thing. Infamous was a term used later on in this thread. It had nothing to do with the original argument. It was a red herring.