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Riker 08-25-2011 04:52 PM

Where did they go Wrong: Ted Dibiase jr
 
Flash back 2-3 years...

Ted Was the hot young talent, tag champ with Cody Rhodes. He was placed into a movie role. He was rumored to be put in a program with Randy Orton and elevated to the Main Event. He was going to be pushed like the next big thing. There were Wrestlemania title match rumors in the long term booking plan.

And Now today he is the IC Champs Lackey, and barely has a job.

Where and when did it happen?

loopydate 08-25-2011 04:59 PM

When Orton started getting the face pops and WWE Creative decided to push him as the babyface of Legacy instead.

Juan 08-25-2011 05:02 PM

Plus Teddy can't cut a promo to save his life

BizarroKing 08-25-2011 05:03 PM

SPOILER: show
He loses to Orton and since Cody says he loses one more match he'll bag him


What could happen: He turns face and enters a feud with Cody for the belt

What I think might happen: he has one blowoff match with Cody who squashes him in like a minute, then either becomes a complete jobber until he's released, if he doesn't get released shortly after the Cody match.

loopydate 08-25-2011 05:04 PM

Plus he was given the handicap of his father's name from the start. At least Randy and Cody had the advantage of having a different first name from their famous fathers. No matter how great Ted Jr. ever became, he'd never be the best Ted DiBiase in WWE history.

Cool King 08-25-2011 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juan (Post 3612276)
Plus Teddy can't cut a promo to save his life

Ditto for Morrison, and they were pushing him as a major face at one time.

Personally, out of the two, I think DiBiase has better promos than Morrison.

Corporate CockSnogger 08-25-2011 06:02 PM

Where did they go wrong with Ted Dibiase Jr?
 
Precisely nowhere. The guy is young (like 27 or 28, right?) and still involved in every Smackdown.

Sure he's not as high up on the card as he was predicted to be, but there's still plenty of time for him and he has enough talent and possibly more importantly, enough connections to make it higher up eventually.

Rammsteinmad 08-25-2011 06:10 PM

I agree with Iginfest.

Rammsteinmad 08-25-2011 06:10 PM

Oh shit, tell me I didn't just say that.

Rammsteinmad 08-25-2011 06:11 PM

It is pretty sad to see where TD is right now though. Back when he was on the verge of turning face he was getting some pretty big pops. But I think WWE going with Orton was the better decision, since it's obviously worked out well up 'til now.

Corporate CockSnogger 08-25-2011 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rammsteinmad (Post 3612388)
I agree with Iginfest.

It's the way of the future.

Rammsteinmad 08-25-2011 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rammsteinmad (Post 3612389)
Oh shit, tell me I didn't just say that.


Juan 08-25-2011 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cool King (Post 3612288)
Ditto for Morrison, and they were pushing him as a major face at one time.

Personally, out of the two, I think DiBiase has better promos than Morrison.

Well yeah, but Morrison has the added advantage of being able to wrestle circles around Ted.

XCaliber 08-25-2011 06:22 PM

Remember when he debuted I thought he was gonna be huge as he was a way better on the mic than Cody was at the time he was oozing with charisma but I think the fact that WWE decided to squash his actual ego that it's hurt his chance but I hope that he can recover and reach his true potential.

Evil Vito 08-25-2011 06:22 PM

<font color=goldenrod>The ball was dropped by WWE when they teased him turning face against Orton and they didn't go through with it.

However, he himself dropped the ball after WM25 when they essentially gave him his dad's gimmick and he couldn't make it work...he was just so boring. The writers can shoulder a little bit of the blame, but that gimmick should be able to get anybody over.</font>

JimmyMess 08-25-2011 06:26 PM

I think when they realized he wasn't his father.

Rammsteinmad 08-25-2011 06:31 PM

Why, who's his father?

Ruien 08-25-2011 07:17 PM

Cody Rhodes.

Lock Jaw 08-25-2011 07:36 PM

I used to think they went wrong not turning him face against Orton. There was this one time the two had a match, and the fans were going nuts, wanting DiBiase to just fight back.

Feel like around that time was when they shoulda done it.

I'm thinking he would have ended up pretty much just like Alex Riley.

Nicky Fives 08-25-2011 07:52 PM

I see 2 different reasons:

#1: Creative never gave him anything susbstantial that could let his talents shine through

#2 He has no exceptional qualities, meaning that he's good in the ring, decent on the microphone and has a decent look, but no quality sticks out that screams main eventer.....

Lock Jaw 08-25-2011 08:28 PM

Biggest reason,

#3 He doesn't have a wicked DiBiase beard.

KIRA 08-25-2011 10:07 PM

1.Plenty went wrong as someone said its hard being Ted the second rather than say Brett Dibiase or Randy Orton believe it or not Diffrent a different first name would have counted for a lot.

2 He was basically given his dads gimmick more or less there where small changes I feel they couldve run with more and had good results i.e. Maryse


3 Cody was lucky enough to be given a gimmick that has plenty of room to breathe plus when he arrived he wasa blank slate gimmick wise. Dashing allowed Cody to go from metro sexual with a fragile psyche (since his looks were his lifeblood) an when they got "taken away" he was allowed to evolve into a more unhinged and delusional character.Cody himself did a masterful job portraying himself as almost jumping off the slipery slope completely in his characters facial ticks and slight but noticeable broken speech pattern.

Ted Came in as "Priceless" and that immediately conjures up his father as well.

A lot of things fell into place for Cody that didn't for Ted he was stuck as the rich man's son To be honest hes one of the lineage wrestlers that could've benefited from a name change either completely or just the first name.

Storywise this might be his chance under Cody you could humble him and explain that hes been cut off from his dads wealth and then make him a face and go from there.

Aguakate 08-25-2011 11:02 PM

Remember when everybody thought that Ted Dibiase would be ok once he went solo, but that Cody Rhodes was going nowhere?

Yeah...things kinda turned around, eh?

Now, don't get me wrong...I think they're both bland, but...Ted even more so than Cody.

Shisen Kopf 08-25-2011 11:24 PM

He needs a lisp.

Captain of Fun 08-25-2011 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 3612609)
I used to think they went wrong not turning him face against Orton. There was this one time the two had a match, and the fans were going nuts, wanting DiBiase to just fight back.

Feel like around that time was when they shoulda done it.

I'm thinking he would have ended up pretty much just like Alex Riley.

Forgotten after several weeks?
I thought that's what happened.

Aguakate 08-25-2011 11:36 PM

They even gave Ted "The Marine 2" out of nowhere, without really accomplishing anything in the WWE that made him worthy of it...

...he was pushed as "Ted Dibiase's son" even more than Cody as "Dusty Rhodes' son" or Randy Orton as "Cowboy Bob's kid".

Captain of Fun 08-25-2011 11:43 PM

Probably has to do with him being as bland as Alex Riley.

Lock Jaw 08-25-2011 11:48 PM

Shoulda changed his name to Ted McGillicutty

Mjdiesel 08-26-2011 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riker (Post 3612270)
Flash back 2-3 years...

Ted Was the hot young talent, tag champ with Cody Rhodes. He was placed into a movie role. He was rumored to be put in a program with Randy Orton and elevated to the Main Event. He was going to be pushed like the next big thing. There were Wrestlemania title match rumors in the long term booking plan.

And Now today he is the IC Champs Lackey, and barely has a job.

Where and when did it happen?


Yest one realize, Ted Jr., I dunno, doesn't have a fucking personality?

I'm sure that pretty well covers it. At least Shelton Benjamin gave an effort to cut a promo or show some flair aside from his athletic prowess. Ted Jr. has very average athletic prowess.

Aguakate 08-26-2011 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 3612876)
Shoulda changed his name to Ted McGillicutty

...Shoulda had Beulah McGillicutty as his Manager.

Cuse8 08-26-2011 11:20 AM

when ted sr first introduced jr on raw years ago i would have sworn he was the second coming of orton. he had the charisma, look and ego right from the start..

like others stated the match he had with orton where orton just abused him and the crowd wanted him to hit orton was probably his peak, since nothing happened with that its been a steady decline since

parkmania 08-26-2011 04:07 PM

Cody also doesn't have as much "family pressure" on him to be a success, since his older brother already achieved a certain level of fame in the WWE.

FourFifty 08-27-2011 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cool King (Post 3612288)
Ditto for Morrison, and they were pushing him as a major face at one time.

Personally, out of the two, I think DiBiase has better promos than Morrison.

However JoMo can move like no body that I've seen in a long time. Can Ted Jr pull off a starship pain?

Shaved Monkey 08-27-2011 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FourFifty (Post 3614045)
However JoMo can move like no body that I've seen in a long time. Can Ted Jr pull off a starship pain?

Morrison can barely pull off the Starship Pain so that's not really relevant. I'll watch Ted over Morrison any day of the week.

On topic though, yeah, DiBiase is kinda stagnating right now but he's got a feud with Rhodes coming I would imagine, so that's positive. Also, he's still young and he is talented. His time will come eventually.

FourFifty 08-27-2011 12:04 PM

JoMo can outwork Ted Jr in WWE, but WWE isn't letting Ted Jr work to at his best. There's a youtube video of Ted Jr using the million dollar dream as a chain from just standing, to a leg sweep, to a cobra/camel clutch combo.

XL 08-27-2011 03:18 PM

JoMo and Ted are both :| on the mic. Morrison's in-ring style is more "captivating".

Mr. JL 08-27-2011 06:12 PM

If he is the son of The Million Dollar Man and has his fathers name the WWE should definitely showcase it.

Expensive Suit, the Million Dollar Belt, a Bodyguard, Buying Title Shots, Paying People Off to FORFEIT in matches, Buying the 30th spot in the Royal Rumble.

Just do something other than sending him out there with his fathers name while wearing red spandex briefs.

Aguakate 08-27-2011 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. JL (Post 3614306)
If he is the son of The Million Dollar Man and has his fathers name the WWE should definitely showcase it.

Expensive Suit, the Million Dollar Belt, a Bodyguard, Buying Title Shots, Paying People Off to FORFEIT in matches, Buying the 30th spot in the Royal Rumble.

Just do something other than sending him out there with his fathers name while wearing red spandex briefs.

I agree. WWE should definitely have him play off his dad's "Million Dollar Man" gimmick...

...heck, have Ted Sr as his Manager...

Xero 08-27-2011 06:26 PM

Honestly I think SD went pretty well for him. I hope he gets his heat back after the bagging, but the match itself was awesome. Competitive match with the world champion = :y:.

Next Big Thing 08-27-2011 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. JL (Post 3614306)
If he is the son of The Million Dollar Man and has his fathers name the WWE should definitely showcase it.

Expensive Suit, the Million Dollar Belt, a Bodyguard, Buying Title Shots, Paying People Off to FORFEIT in matches, Buying the 30th spot in the Royal Rumble.

Just do something other than sending him out there with his fathers name while wearing red spandex briefs.

Only problem is Ted Jr. doesn't have the charisma or mic skills that his old man had to pull off the segments and skits necessary for that gimmick to not get boring after awhile.


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