Better Wrestler #215 *Hall of Fame Round*
 

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<select><option selected="selected">Better Wrestler History</option><option>#1.RVD vs CM Punk (34-19)</option><option>#2.RVD vs Santino Marella (36-4)</option><option>#3.RVD vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (15-23)</option><option>#4."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Tully Blanchard (30-5)</option><option>#5."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Chris Jericho (15-23)</option><option>#6.Chris Jericho vs Brock Lesnar (34-10)</option><option>#7.Chris Jericho vs William Regal (38-14)</option><option>#8.Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (21-23)</option><option>#9.Eddie Guerrero vs Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (26-7)</option><option>#10.Eddie Guerrero vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (26-19)</option><option>#11.Eddie Guerrero vs Diamond Dallas Page (39-8)</option><option>#12.Eddie Guerrero vs "Stone Cold" Steve Austin(19-28)</option><option>#13."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Chris Benoit (32-13)</option><option>#14."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (29-10)</option><option>#15."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Sting (36-16)</option><option>#16."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (32-31)</option><option>#17.Hulk Hogan vs John Cena (15-24)</option><option>#18.John Cena vs Lex Luger (32-6)</option><option>#19.John Cena vs Ultimate Warrior (29-18)</option><option>#20.John Cena vs Dean Malenko (9-40)</option><option>#21.Dean Malenko vs Billy Kidman (31-7)</option><option>#22.Dean Malenko vs Ultimo Dragon (22-15)</option><option>#23.Dean Malenko vs Taz (15-17)</option><option>#24.Taz vs Sabu (38-2)</option><option>#25.Taz vs Jeff Hardy (25-16)</option><option>#26.Taz vs Bam Bam Bigelow (26-12)</option><option>#27.Taz vs Triple H (24-22)</option><option>#28.Edge vs Christian Cage (22-23)</option><option>#29.Christian Cage vs Raven (23-22)</option><option>#30.Christian vs Matt Hardy (22-19)</option><option>#31.Christian vs Ted Dibiase (24-25)</option><option>#32.Ted Dibiase vs "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (16-19)</option><option>#33."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs "The British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith (25-19)</option><option>#34."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs Bob Backlund (26-6)</option><option>#35."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs The Dynamite Kid (26-13)</option><option>#36."Rowdy Roddy Piper vs Ric Flair (16-19)</option><option>#37.Ric Flair vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (19-17)</option><option>#38.Ric Flair vs Andre "The Giant" (28-5)</option><option>#39.Ric Flair vs Triple H (26-11)</option><option>#40.Ric Flair vs Shawn Michaels (20-26)</option><option>#41.Shawn Michaels vs Jushin "Thunder" Lyger (26-15)</option><option>#42.Shawn Michaels vs Perry Saturn (36-12)</option><option>#43.Shawn Michaels vs The Undertaker (29-11)</option><option>#44.Shawn Michaels vs The Rock (28-30)</option><option>#45.The Rock vs Trish Stratus (21-16)</option><option>#46.The Rock vs Lance Storm (22-19)</option><option>#47.The Rock vs Owen Hart (18-12)</option><option>#48.The Rock vs Kurt Angle (5-24)</option><option>#49.Kurt Angle vs Ken Shamrock (36-5)</option><option>#50.Kurt Angle vs Rob Van Dam (23-13)</option><option>#51.Kurt Angle vs "King Kong" Bruiser Brody (20-10)</option><option>#52.Kurt Angle vs Mick Foley (31-6)</option><option>#53.John Morrison vs Braden Walker (36-11)</option><option>#54.John Morrison vs Kofi Kingston (34-5)</option><option>#55.John Morrison vs CM Punk (14-28)</option><option>#56.CM Punk vs Tajiri (28-20)</option><option>#57.CM Punk vs Booker T (24-23)</option><option>#58.CM Punk vs Samoa Joe (53-4)</option><option>#59.CM Punk vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (19-36)</option><option>#60."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs "Adorable" Adrian Adonis (47-2)</option><option>#61."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Goldberg (49-4)</option><option>#62."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (31-38)</option><option>#63."Mr.Perfect" Curt Hennig vs "Diamond" Dallas Page (51-17)</option><option>#64."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs William Regal (37-18)</option><option>#65."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Brock Lesnar (48-4)</option><option>#66."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Eddie Guerrero (39-40)</option><option>#67. Eddie Guerrero vs Arn Anderson (33-22)</option><option>#68. Eddie Guerrero vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (37-36)</option><option>#69. Eddie Guerrero vs Sting (41-16)</option><option>#70. Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (45-18)</option><option>#71. Chris Jericho vs Rey Mysterio (63-3)</option><option>#72. Chris Jericho vs Kevin Nash (54-12)</option><option>#73. Chris Jericho vs Dean Malenko (39-9)</option><option>#74. Chris Jericho vs Ricky Steamboat (41-30)</option><option>#75. Masato Tanaka vs Mike Awesome (24-18)</option><option>#76. Masato Tanaka vs X-Pac (34-16)</option><option>#77. Masato Tanaka vs Rikishi (36-13)</option><option>#78. Brian Pillman vs Masato Tanaka (31-13)</option><option>#79. Brian Pillman vs Road Dogg (44-7)</option><option>#80. Ultimo Dragon vs Brian Pillman (29-28)</option><option>#81. Ultimo Dragon vs Goldust (35-19)</option><option>#82. Ultimo Dragon vs Barry Windham (36-9)</option><option>#83. Ultimo Dragon vs Randy Orton (35-34)</option><option>#84. Edge vs Ultimo Dragon (48-8)</option><option>#85. Edge vs Jeff Hardy (54-5)</option><option>#86. Edge vs Razor Ramon (44-21)</option><option>#87. Ted Dibiase vs Edge (39-33)</option><option>#88. Ted Dibiase vs Doink the Clown (59-4)</option><option>#89. Ted Dibiase vs Rick Rude (34-20)</option><option>#90. Ted Dibiase vs. Christian (39-32)</option><option>#91. Ted Dibiase vs. Bret Hart (24-55)</option><option>#92. Bret Hart vs. Scott Steiner (56-8)</option><option>#93. Bret Hart vs. Christopher Daniels (47-15)</option><option>#94. Bret Hart vs. Triple H (40-22)</option><option>#95. Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels (26-47)</option><option>#96. Shawn Michaels vs. Marty Jannetty (54-7)</option><option>#97. Shawn Michaels vs. Bryan Danielson (36-12)</option><option>#98. Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Benoit (38-33)</option><option>#99. Shawn Michaels vs. The Rock (44-34)</option><option>#100. Earthquake vs. Vader (10-65)</option><option>#101. Vader vs. Bam Bam Bigelow (33-32)</option><option>#102. Vader vs. The Great Muta (32-29)</option><option>#103. Vader vs. Mick Foley (16-42)</option><option>#104. Mick Foley vs. Al Snow (49-7)</option><option>#105. Mick Foley vs. Jerry Lynn (41-11)</option><option>#106. Mick Foley vs. Rob Van Dam (24-38)</option><option>#107. Rob Van Dam vs. Tommy Dreamer (52-4)</option><option>#108. Rob Van Dam vs. John Morrison (54-14)</option><option>#109. Rob Van Dam vs. Owen Hart (36-36)</option><option>#110. Rob Van Dam vs. The Undertaker (22-53)</option><option>#111. The Undertaker vs. Owen Hart (62-16)</option><option>#112. The Undertaker vs. Kane (63-3)</option><option>#113. The Undertaker vs. Diamond Dallas Page (51-18)</option><option>#114. The Undertaker vs. Ric Flair (44-43)</option><option>#115. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. Ron Simmons (33-25)</option><option>#116. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. Juventud Guerrera (28-19)</option><option>#117. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. The Big Show (25-39)</option><option>#118. The Big Show vs. Sid (50-10)</option><option>#119. The Big Show vs. Lance Storm (18-48)</option><option>#120. Lance Storm vs. Meng (65-7)</option><option>#121. Lance Storm vs. John Cena (53-18)</option><option>#122. Lance Storm vs. Sting (23-50)</option><option>#123. Sting vs. The Ultimate Warrior (57-18)</option><option>#124. Sting vs. Dusty Rhodes (50-24)</option><option>#125. Sting vs. CM Punk (41-32)</option><option>#126. Sting vs. Randy Savage (27-50)</option><option>#127. Randy Savage vs. Jim Duggan (65-7)</option><option>#128. Randy Savage vs. AJ Styles (64-13)</option><option>#129. Randy Savage vs. Booker T (61-16)</option><option>#130. Randy Savage vs. Roddy Piper (55-27)</option><option>#131. Rick Martel vs. Tito Santana (35-29)</option><option>#132. Rick Martel vs. Shane Douglas (29-36)</option><option>#133. Shane Douglas vs. Rhino (35-38)</option><option>#134. Rhino vs. Jeff Jarrett (30-36)</option><option>#135. Jeff Jarrett vs. Mike Rotunda (30-38)</option><option>#136. Mike Rotunda vs. Chris Kanyon (44-24)</option><option>#137. Mike Rotunda vs. Barry Windham (38-17)</option><option>#138. Mike Rotunda vs. Scott Hall (11-63)</option><option>#139. Scott Hall vs. Goldberg (60-17)</option><option>#140. Scott Hall vs. Kevin Nash (47-31)</option><option>#141. Scott Hall vs. Brian Pillman (44-34)</option><option>#142. Scott Hall vs. Edge (26-64)</option><option>#143. Edge vs. Matt Hardy (71-12)</option><option>#144. Edge vs. Arn Anderson (38-34)</option><option>#145. Edge vs. Randy Orton (45-36)</option><option>#146. Edge vs. Triple H (29-47)</option><option>#147. Triple H vs. Batista (65-8)</option><option>#148. Triple H vs. Raven (54-25)</option><option>#149. Triple H vs. Ricky Steamboat (44-43)</option><option>#150. Triple H vs. Eddie Guerrero (43-56)</option><option>#151. Eddie Guerrero vs. Trish Stratus (58-12)</option><option>#152. Eddie Guerrero vs. The Great Muta (47-11)</option><option>#153. Eddie Guerrero vs. Curt Hennig (34-43)</option><option>#154. Curt Hennig vs. Jerry Lawler (63-9)</option><option>#155. Curt Hennig vs. Hulk Hogan (54-17)</option><option>#156. Curt Hennig vs. Christian (47-26)</option><option>#157. Curt Hennig vs. The Rock (31-44)</option><option>#158. The Rock vs. Steve Blackman (54-22)</option><option>#159. The Rock vs. Vader (54-14)</option><option>#160. The Rock vs. Mick Foley (48-22)</option><option>#161. The Rock vs. Bret Hart (42-49)</option><option>#162. Bret Hart vs. Davey Boy Smith (70-8)</option><option>#163. Bret Hart vs. Dean Malenko (52-16)</option><option>#164. Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart (47-18)</option><option>#165. Bret Hart vs. Ric Flair (53-32)</option><option>#166. Barry Darsow vs. Ed Leslie (45-13)</option><option>#167. Barry Darsow vs. Jacques Rougeau (17-38)</option><option>#168. Jacques Rougeau vs. Evan Bourne (18-49)</option><option>#169. Evan Bourne vs. Mr. Anderson (38-16)</option><option>#170. Evan Bourne vs. Bryan Danielson(10-50)</option><option>#171. Bryan Danielson vs. Billy Gunn (56-16)</option><option>#172. Bryan Danielson vs. The Miz (42-26)</option><option>#173. Bryan Danielson vs. Chris Benoit (27-40)</option><option>#174. Chris Benoit vs. Chavo Guerrero (53-8)</option><option>#175. Chris Benoit vs. Perry Saturn (48-13)</option><option>#176. Chris Benoit vs. Lance Storm (36-21)</option><option>#177. Chris Benoit vs. Ted Dibiase (41-34)</option><option>#178. TAKA Michinoku vs. Sho Funaki (51-9)</option><option>#179. TAKA Michinoku vs. Santino Marella (48-9)</option><option>#180. TAKA Michinoku vs. Rey Mysterio (23-41)</option><option>#181. Rey Mysterio vs. Gregory Helms (34-8)</option><option>#182. Rey Mysterio vs. Jeff Hardy (41-18)</option><option>#183. Rey Mysterio vs. Diamond Dallas Page (34-37)</option><option>#184. Diamond Dallas Page vs. Big Boss Man (49-5)</option><option>#185. Diamond Dallas Page vs. Yoshihiro Tajiri (34-18)</option><option>#186. Diamond Dallas Page vs. CM Punk (19-41)</option><option>#187. CM Punk vs. Terry Funk (35-18)</option><option>#188. CM Punk vs. Kane (40-13)</option><option>#189. CM Punk vs. Rob Van Dam (39-22)</option><option>#190. CM Punk vs. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (39-37)</option><option>#191. Ted DiBiase, Jr. vs. Cody Rhodes (23-36)</option><option>#192. Cody Rhodes vs. Goldust (10-51)</option><option>#193. Goldust vs. Shelton Benjamin (41-22)</option><option>#194. Goldust vs. Rick Rude (21-37)</option><option>#195. Rick Rude vs. Rick Martel (42-6)</option><option>#196. Rick Rude vs. The Big Show (30-15)</option><option>#197. Rick Rude vs. Jake Roberts (26-38)</option><option>#198. Jake Roberts vs. John "Bradshaw" Layfield (50-16)</option><option>#199. Jake Roberts vs. Arn Anderson (39-31)</option><option>#200. Jake Roberts vs. Brian Pillman (34-20)</option><option>#201. Jake Roberts vs. Edge (42-28)</option><option>#202. Raven vs. Shane Douglas (45-6)</option><option>#203. Raven vs. R-Truth (39-6)</option><option>#204. Raven vs. Booker T (31-40)</option><option>#205. Booker T vs. Jerry Lawler (37-20)</option><option>#206. Booker T vs. Sheamus (51-11)</option><option>#207. Booker T vs. Christian (21-33)</option><option>#208. Christian vs. Jushin "Thunder" Liger</option><option>#209. Christian vs. Kevin Nash (30-24)</option><option>#210. Christian vs. Randy Orton (41-22)</option><option>#211. Christian vs. Eddie Guerrero (10-66)</option><option>#212. Eddie Guerrero vs. Andre the Giant (55-16)</option><option>#213. Eddie Guerrero vs. Hulk Hogan (47-29)</option><option>#214. Eddie Guerrero vs. Scott Hall (47-18)</option></select>

<select><option selected="selected">Better Wrestler Hall of Fame</option><option>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin</option><option>Taz</option><option>Kurt Angle</option><option>Chris Jericho</option><option>"The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels</option><option>The Undertaker</option><option>"Macho Man" Randy Savage</option><option>Bret "Hitman" Hart</option><option>Chris Benoit</option><option>CM Punk</option><option>Jake "The Snake" Roberts</option></select>

Better Wrestler All Time Records

Easy choice.

Supreme once again making an epic final showdown.

Ugh. Hate you for this.

But I hold true to my word, No one gets a vote over The Rock.

Well, as crazy as it sounds, I'm choosing Eddie; He was just as entertaining and was able to surprise you once in a while. Plus I honestly thought he would at most get the IC title and some tag gold when he arrived in WWE; Never imagined he would earn the WWE Title which was a nice change to some of the larger athletes.

I didn't really like Eddie's reign as champion. Sure, he had some good defenses and wins but he was facing Angle and Lesnar in these matches who are significantly better in the ring. The Rock always entertained me more in every way. Some of my favorite title matches involve the Rock and I feel his matches always kept you entertained.

Nicely done Supreme! I have to go for what most believe to be the underdog with Eddie, but I think we might al get surprised here...

Walk. Take your base, Eddie.

Rock = Hogan. That being said, Eddie again.

gotta go with The Rock

he entertained me much more then Eddie

the man was awesome even in his Nation of Domination days

This is almost as dumb as some of the Christian wins, but fun to watch.

But not as dumb as Rock Bottom. Oh the depths it would have to sink to for that level.

I'd rather be dumb than blatantly retarded and weird.

That's me calling you retarded and weird, by the way.

Honestly though, I would like you to explain how Eddie Guerrero is even in the Rock's ball park for your chance not to be considered retarded.

You're joking right?

Because I prefer in-ring action to promos and therefore, my opinion is that since 1996 when I started watching him to the day he died, it's hard to pick out a period of time when he was bad in the ring, or at least not above The Rock's level (not a dig at the Rock, some of the stories he told in the ring were great, just Eddie is in that upper-echelon for me)

I'm sorry that I'm not using a checklist to explain my choice, but if I base it by whose matches gripped me more often, then Eddie would beat one hell of a lot of people. I apologise if my opinion fails to mesh with yours and you find me picking a wrestler over "the great one" "dumb", but I respect your opinion and just wish you wouldn't have to be such a spastic every time the opinions of others aren't overwhelmingly agreeing with you.

...The Rock.

Never liked the Rock. His in-ring skills were at best above average, certainly not spectacular, and his promos bored the hell out of me. They were the same 14 catch phrases strung together with variable linking words.

Hardly anyone is better than The Rock and Eddie isn't one of them.

I both applaud and boo your choice for this Hall of Fame Round of the B.W. Supreme, for if there was anyone I would consider being better than Eddie, it would be The Rock. Based on his accomplished both in and out of ring as well as his ability to retain his appeal and connection with the masses over the years, one would be justified in seeing Rock as one of the greatest wrestlers of all time. That being said, I still voted for Eddie, and here's why:

When I think of the term 'Better Wrestler', I take into consideration not only a contestant's in-ring and mic skills, but their overall abilities as well, and I believe this is where Eddie get's a slight edge. I've watched Eddie's matches from Mexico to Japan (his Black Tiger Vs. Jushin Liger matches are among my favorite), WCW to WWE, and I truly feel he is a better competitor than The Rock. In my opinion, Eddie's moves (both aerial and power), actually excel that of Rock's, who when I take a look at his movelist comes off as pretty general.

I completely understand that many will disagree with this assessment, but I feel it's a reasonable judgement. The Rock had a bigger persona and his mic skills and nearly flawless, but this isn't a better persona poll, it's better wrestler, and that's why I went once again with the Latino Heated Black Tiger.

If Eddie wins this, y'all are r-tards

...again, the "being dead" factor is out in full effect.

Not to diss Eddie, but, come on...

Rock had great promos, but I never really enjoyed him in the ring. I love Eddie in the ring. Hence why hey gets my vote.

...the last couple years of his career, Eddie was so stiff that I don't get how people enjoyed his wrestling...he wasn't the same.

Even so, compare Eddie's career to the Rock's career, wrestling wise. He may have been great on the mic, but the Rock was never that good in the ring. I'd personally never vote for the Rock over Eddie. Then again, there's a LOT of people I wouldn't vote for the Rock over.

Eddie was a better wrestler (in his prime) than Steve Austin...are you saying that if an "Austin vs Eddie" poll came up, you'd vote for Eddie?

In all honesty, can you or anyone name a wrestler who was as good at the end of their careers as they were when they started? This is due to the effects of time in the ring and really shouldn't be used when judging the wrestler.

Shawn Michaels wasn't just "as good", he was BETTER when he retired than when he started.

Probably, because I enjoyed Eddie more. Austin was great in the ring before his neck injury, and his character was on fire early on with the Austin 3:16 spiel as well. After his injury though, Austin got insanely repetitive and boring in the ring. Plus, I got real sick of his gimmick in the end. Outside of his heel run, his gimmick never really changed, or evolved. It was essentially the same thing week in and week out.

So yeah, I probably would. Why? Because I enjoyed Eddie more. It's subjective. It's a subjective poll. People can't vote how they want to.

Heck, for what it's worth, I'd probably rank Rock higher than Austin, because I got really sick of Austin.

LOL "I'd vote for Eddie over Austin because I enjoyed Eddie more"...

...If Eddie was alive, I have a feeling this poll and all these statements would be different.

You're welcome to believe whatever you want. If you want to think Eddie's death skewed my perception of his wrestling ability, or that it's somehow caused me to bizarrely like the ROck and Austin left, go right ahead. I just don't understand why you find it so hard to believe that people would actually prefer Eddie to Austin and the Rock. Given the choice, I'd watch an Eddie match over a Rock match almost any day of the week. Same thing with Austin. Eddie had better matches.

Heh, I know several people who would agree with your statement, I might even be one of them, but consider the following: Shawn did not go through his career unscathed, both his body and mind have taken their share of bumps and bruises along the way. But he became refined though adaptation over the years, and that's how he was able to remain a top contender as long as he did.

Was Shawn bad at the end of his career? Of course not. He was good, some would say great, but he wasn't better than he was during his peak.

Also, "would my original post be any different if Eddie was alive?" Honestly, his mortality (or lack their of) didn't even come to mind. Dead or alive, I still see him as being better than The Rock.

A couple polls ago, I went the route you are going down, of actually voting for who I thought was the better actual WRESTLER, the one who had the most ability, and was told that that's NOT what these polls are all about...that you have to take into account the actual ability, but also the impact each guy had on wrestling, their charisma, their mic work, etc...

"If wrestling ability was the only thing that mattered, Dean Malenko would be in the HOF", I was told...

...so I get you...

Still...ROCK > Eddie.

This post is pretty spastic. I only act as stupid as the people who try to ride my ass on here do.

Then you've accidentally aimed much lower, my friend. Especially considering you always fire the first shots then try and play the victim. Always an applaudable move http://tpwwforums.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

It is not my opinion that Rock is better than Eddie Guerrero, it is fact.

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Good match that second vid, could watch Eddie wrestle all day.

Just not sure why you always seem to be personally offended when someone disagrees with you. Are there deeper issues at play?