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Xero 09-29-2011 06:03 PM

Wrestlers you were a fan of before but no longer
 
The Rey thread got me thinking. Name some wrestlers who you liked, but for one reason or another no longer like/enjoy. This doesn't mean you don't respect and love what they did before, but in their current incarnation you are no longer a fan.

A few that come to mind for me are Ric Flair and the Hardys. Flair for pissing on his legacy and the Hardys for how they've acted outside (and in Jeff's case, inside) the ring. Lots of respect for what they did in the past, but it just makes me sad (and sometimes mad) at what they've become.

Anybody Thrilla 09-29-2011 06:05 PM

The Dudleyz

BigDaddyCool 09-29-2011 06:05 PM

Mick Foley. Used to love him. But then he went all crazy hobo uncle.

Anybody Thrilla 09-29-2011 06:05 PM

I get physically ill when I watch Devon matches today, and it's weird, because he's probably the best he's ever been in the ring right now. Something about them ever since the move to TNA has just made me not enjoy them.

Bully Ray is turning around a little bit for me.

Aguakate 09-29-2011 06:06 PM

Kurt Angle

Eklipse 09-29-2011 06:07 PM

Hardys definetley.
RVD
John Cena
Steve Austin...yeah, I said it.

BigDaddyCool 09-29-2011 06:10 PM

The Dudley's as well. They were one note, and happened to play well with the hardies, and e&c back in the day.

Rammsteinmad 09-29-2011 06:23 PM

I hate when people use the phrase 'pissing on his legacy'. Yeah, Flair had a great run, and an even greater sendoff in WWE, but ultimately if the guy has to work, he has to work. Is he past his prime, absolutely! You would be too if you're biggest moments were 20 years ago, but the term 'pissing on his legacy' shouldn't really be used unless he did something drastic, like Chris Benoit.

In 10, 20 or 30 years time, when people remember Ric Flair, they'll remember the great moments he had in WCW and WWE... nobodies gonna instantly forget his greatest moments because 'oh he went to TNA and sucked'.

Just wanted to get that off my chest.

Rammsteinmad 09-29-2011 06:25 PM

However, as I said, something like murdering your family will be considered pissing on your legacy, because what Benoit SHOULD be remembered for is how awesome he was as a wrestler... nobody will ever hear the name Chris Benoit without thinking about what he did. THAT'S how you piss on a legacy.

Not by getting old, refusing to retire for real and putting on shitty matches. That's just an old man trying to pay off some debts.

Xero 09-29-2011 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rammsteinmad (Post 3641762)
I hate when people use the phrase 'pissing on his legacy'. Yeah, Flair had a great run, and an even greater sendoff in WWE, but ultimately if the guy has to work, he has to work. Is he past his prime, absolutely! You would be too if you're biggest moments were 20 years ago, but the term 'pissing on his legacy' shouldn't really be used unless he did something drastic, like Chris Benoit.

In 10, 20 or 30 years time, when people remember Ric Flair, they'll remember the great moments he had in WCW and WWE... nobodies gonna instantly forget his greatest moments because 'oh he went to TNA and sucked'.

Just wanted to get that off my chest.

It's not that I have a problem with Flair wrestling at this point. It's the fact that he's doing exactly what he spoke out against years ago. He's a glorified stunt man. He bleeds at every turn. I don't expect him to be wrestling his 80s style, but if he's going to be wrestling, he shouldn't be degrading himself to what he himself hated.

Okay, maybe I do have a bit of a problem with him wrestling because, really, at this point, he can't. But he could be a manager type and be paying his bills. He had his chance with WWE to have a job for life which I have no doubt would have covered his debts. But he's turned into a shell of himself. From what I've heard, he's the Ric Flair party animal of years gone by, but without the money and resorting to having others pay his huge tabs.

What Flair did for the business will never be forgotten, but for me there will always be that bitter aftertaste of his TNA years. That, to me, is pissing on his legacy.

What Benoit did was destroy his legacy, not just piss on it.

Seth82 09-29-2011 06:30 PM

Hardy Boyz
Kevin Nash
Brutus Beefcake
Hulk Hogan
X-Pac
Steve Austin

Rammsteinmad 09-29-2011 06:30 PM

I get what you're saying, but to that last line, I gotta say 'nah'. When Flair's dead (assuming we're all still alive lol) you'll only remember the good stuff.

Unless he kills someone.

Edit: Your second from last line! That Benoit comment wasn't there before.

Jari 09-29-2011 06:30 PM

A number of the people mentioned already (The Hardyz, the Dudleyz, RVD). I would include Flair as well, more because I just think it's sad that he still has to work in a two bit company when he was given, probably, the greatest send off in wrestling history.

I would also say Raven, Mr Kennedy, Kurt Angle and Sting for a number of reasons.

Seth82 09-29-2011 06:35 PM

Flair has to work because he's in alot of debt

Anybody Thrilla 09-29-2011 06:36 PM

Oh yeah, RVD is a good one. I used to LOVE him back in the day, but he's literally been wrestling the exact same match for like 15 years.

Anybody Thrilla 09-29-2011 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seth82 (Post 3641793)
Flair has to work because he's in alot of debt

Weird, nobody mentioned that yet in this very thread.

Anybody Thrilla 09-29-2011 06:37 PM

Thanks for expounding upon it, though.

BigDaddyCool 09-29-2011 06:37 PM

I have no problem with RVD or anyone in TNA because I don't watch TNA. I don't like Foley because things he did in WWE before he left and how he left like a douche.

Jari 09-29-2011 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seth82 (Post 3641793)
Flair has to work because he's in alot of debt

That's what makes it sad: 30 years at the top of the business and the idiot still managed to blow all his money. Now he has to embarrass himself working in a piss poor promotion like TNA.

jskinnyg 09-29-2011 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xero (Post 3641777)
It's not that I have a problem with Flair wrestling at this point. It's the fact that he's doing exactly what he spoke out against years ago. He's a glorified stunt man. He bleeds at every turn. I don't expect him to be wrestling his 80s style, but if he's going to be wrestling, he shouldn't be degrading himself to what he himself hated.

Okay, maybe I do have a bit of a problem with him wrestling because, really, at this point, he can't. But he could be a manager type and be paying his bills. He had his chance with WWE to have a job for life which I have no doubt would have covered his debts. But he's turned into a shell of himself. From what I've heard, he's the Ric Flair party animal of years gone by, but without the money and resorting to having others pay his huge tabs.

What Flair did for the business will never be forgotten, but for me there will always be that bitter aftertaste of his TNA years. That, to me, is pissing on his legacy.

What Benoit did was destroy his legacy, not just piss on it.

You SOOOO hit this on the head Xero... I am one of the biggest marks for Flair coming from living in Charlotte for many years... But you are totally right... He is doing what he always was against... Being a glorified stunt man in the ring now... I agree... Pay your bills by being a manager on camera and tutoring the guys in the back off camera...

Ok, for the rest of my list... And I hate to say this first one...

Kurt Angle
Jeff Hardy
Foley for sure...
Rey Misterio
Undertaker
Devon (Bully Ray as of late on the mic has been entertaining.)

And I'll get hated for the next two...
A.J. Styles
Jack Swagger (Prob not his fault tho...)

Other than Swagger, there is somewhat of a pattern there...

dhellova guy 09-29-2011 07:08 PM

Before he retired, I would have said Edge. I like Edge, dont get me wrong, but I didnt care for the storyline with Kane and, I dont know, his whole persona got kinda stale to me. He had to tone down his whole "Rated R Superstar" gimmick, and he kinda lost something to me.

DrCrawford 09-29-2011 07:18 PM

taker
kane
big show
hardyz
rey

edyhdrawde 09-29-2011 07:29 PM

Hogan (until I saw a match with him and Paul Ordorff in a cage, where Paul got to the ground first and they said Hogan did. Then not long after he was thrown out of a battle royal by Tugboat. He offered to shake hands and Hogan pulled him over the top rope. Then a week later the reversed happened and Hogan was devestated that Tugboat would do that to him)

Mysterio (before he was WWEized)

Edge (he just got irritating just before he retired)

I'm sure there are a few others.

Jari 09-29-2011 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edyhdrawde (Post 3641889)
Hogan (until I saw a match with him and Paul Ordorff in a cage, where Paul got to the ground first and they said Hogan did. Then not long after he was thrown out of a battle royal by Tugboat. He offered to shake hands and Hogan pulled him over the top rope. Then a week later the reversed happened and Hogan was devestated that Tugboat would do that to him)

:wtf: What?

Juan 09-29-2011 07:35 PM

Pretty much all the TNA guys that used to be in WWE

CSL 09-29-2011 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rammsteinmad (Post 3641762)
I hate when people use the phrase 'pissing on his legacy'. Yeah, Flair had a great run, and an even greater sendoff in WWE, but ultimately if the guy has to work, he has to work. Is he past his prime, absolutely! You would be too if you're biggest moments were 20 years ago, but the term 'pissing on his legacy' shouldn't really be used unless he did something drastic, like Chris Benoit.

In 10, 20 or 30 years time, when people remember Ric Flair, they'll remember the great moments he had in WCW and WWE... nobodies gonna instantly forget his greatest moments because 'oh he went to TNA and sucked'.

Just wanted to get that off my chest.

aka Ric Flair can do whatever the fuck he wants because he's Ric fucking Flair

Graveler 09-29-2011 08:43 PM

This makes me a sad panda
 
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It breaks my heart to see Ric Flair having to wrestle today. Where's the option to become a road agent or something?

dhellova guy 09-29-2011 08:53 PM

Im pretty sure everyone was just talking about that

DaveBrawl 09-29-2011 09:09 PM

Rey Mysterio - sick of the same old match everytime I see him (granted it's only sparingly anymore because of this, and I know he can have great matches but I never care to watch him to see them anymore) and the constant giant killer deal he rolls with.
RVD - he was so fun to watch years ago but like ABT said it's the same match every time now

Nicky Fives 09-29-2011 09:20 PM

Mr. Anderson, Mick Foley & Mickie James

Pintint 09-29-2011 10:11 PM

Hmph, I cant really think of any examples. First to come to mind was Christian, but I am really liking what he is doing lately with his whiney heel persona, I just didnt like him as a face.

glanville6 09-30-2011 12:31 AM

Make some noise, X-Pac

XCaliber 09-30-2011 12:42 AM

New Age Outlaws pretty much went downhill shortly after they landed in TNA then again it happens to a lot of talent.

KaosDarksol 09-30-2011 03:57 AM

Anybody who was in wwe but is now in tna with the exceptions of flair and hogan neither of which I ever liked

Swiss Ultimate 09-30-2011 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool (Post 3641731)
Mick Foley. Used to love him. But then he went all crazy hobo uncle.

:'(

MVP 09-30-2011 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juan (Post 3641898)
Pretty much all the TNA guys that used to be in WWE


Shisen Kopf 09-30-2011 09:34 AM

Used to like Jericho the rassler. Don't like Jericho the tv dancer.

#BROKEN Hasney 09-30-2011 09:38 AM

Big Show. Holy shit that guy could move back in WCW, but then he became another overweight slow, dull lumbering bastard. He said himself he listened to the wrong people.

XL 09-30-2011 11:01 AM

To summerize: Move to TNA and "The IWC" turns on you.

Rammsteinmad 09-30-2011 01:00 PM

Welcome to TPWW/The Internet.

(Been waiting to get you back with that one) :wave:


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