Hmmmm, Daniel Bryan and Cm Punk are franchise players right?
 

CM Punk vs. Daniel Bryan and Lord Tensai in the overrun actually lost viewers – 105,000 for a 2.94 rating. It’s almost impossible to lose viewers in the overrun because you’ve got people tuning into the USA Network for their next show.


Feel free to blow me at your will.

Funny thing is that I saw this, and thought to myself, "Wonder if Gertner is aware of this?"

Gertner is always aware of everything.

TBF, maybe 2 people here have referred to Punk and Bryan as "Franchise Players".

blame it on Albert

I've seen multiple people refer to these two at least as main eventers. Which they are not.

They obviously are. They outpopped DX after all.

Blowjobs are blowjobs, whether it's 2, or 20.

Fixed.

Blame it on the black star
Blame it on the falling sky
Blame it on the satellite that beams me home

And the Rock's return match at survivor series did horrible numbers so he must not be a "Main Eventer" either.

How about your fat gf

How'd Wrestlemania go

:lol:

Punk's proven to be good for business so the argument is invalid on him. MoFo's data if correct shows that if anything it's Daniel Bryan who's the cause here, though Tensai probably didn't help any.

To be fair any 'new' star is going to lose viewers at this point though. WWE hasn't built anyone up as a real deal in ages so it's no wonder people don't take them seriously.

I hate how we look deep into the "numbers" to determine our opinions on wrestling matches/segments.

Blakeamus is right. Back in the day, before all these numbers were available to the fans we wouldn't even be having a conversation this stupid. Honestly I almost miss the days when we had to just go by what WWE let us know.

Yes, God forbid the truth coming out

I watch Raw on Youtube specifically so I can skip Daniel Bryan stuff, its just funny to laugh at how many ppl hate him though.

Yes, God forbid that we can't have an opinion without being influenced by what the "numbers" show.

It's a friggen business. Of course you have to go by numbers.

I can go with your opinion of how you feel towards Daniel Bryan as a worker, but when I see people make their opinions by "going by the numbers", I wonder if the person is really a fan of "wrestling" or a fan of the ratings. They seemed too concern on what they scooped up from information.

It's a business and numbers are important...YES! But let VINCE MCMAHON be concern of his BUSINESS. Let's enjoy wrestling without spoiling ourselves over numbers to determine our views on the product!

I remember reading there was a RAW sometime in 97 headlined by Steve Austin vs. Undertaker, which was the lowest rated RAW at the time. Besides, it's not like Cena is such a huge ratings draw. I wish somebody could pull up the numbers during Cena's first year on top. He sells shitloads of merch, sure, but so does Punk.

Plus, JBL was such a ratings draw too, wasn't he Gertner?

Yes it is, but I'm not involved in the business so I don't have to go by (or give a shit about) the numbers.

Never said he was. He's my favourite wrestler. I'm just not a fan boy who spew bull shit.

You do when people claim that Daniel Bryan is this huge sensation, should be main eventing, some people saying he's a "franchise player", when it's completely obvious that he isn't a ratings draw at all. You shouldn't be losing viewers in your main events.

Okay is your opinion of Daniel Bryan influenced by the "numbers" Gertner?

Ok, well, even if Punk isn't a "franchise player" (who really is these days though, tbf), he's still a credible main eventer, and it didn't take him several years of being forced down everybody's throats as a big deal to get there (I'm looking at you Orton). I can see why the overhyping by the IWC of certain guys is annoying, but to act like he doesn't have any appeal is ludicrous. Daniel Bryan, on the other hand, is a great talent, but definitely not franchise material. He's a guy that is credible in a top spot when they need him, but not someone who draws big money. He can have a good match with anybody and make them look good. You need a few guys like that hovering around.

Blame it on the rain that was fallin', fallin'
Blame it on the stars that shine at night

'Course, that's not what's being done here. At worst, it's using the numbers to justify existing feelings.

That pole doesn't look capable of catching that fish. Something doesn't smell right here.

It's justifying my opinion