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Supreme Olajuwon 08-27-2012 12:22 AM

Best Wrestler #9
 
Round 1 is in the books. A few great matches, a few blowouts. Now we start Round 2. And folks, I've looked at the matchups and I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt, Round 2 is going to cum all over the best set of tits you've ever seen. And it starts with a battle that can only happen when Mega Powers explode!

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3 days.




<select><option selected="selected">Best Wrestler Tournament History</option><option>ROUND 1</option><option>#1. Randy Savage vs. Taz (72-4)</option><option>#2. The Undertaker vs. Steve Austin (42-42)</option><option>#3. Chris Jericho vs. Jake Roberts (52-15)</option><option>#4. Bret Hart vs. CM Punk (44-24)</option><option>#5. Curt Hennig vs. The Rock (27-31)</option><option>#6. Mick Foley vs. Kurt Angle (18-41)</option><option>#7. Eddie Guerrero vs. Shawn Michaels (13-50)</option><option>#8. Chris Benoit vs. Hulk Hogan (28-36)</option><option>ROUND 2</option></select>

Supreme Olajuwon 08-27-2012 12:24 AM

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Supreme Olajuwon 08-27-2012 12:26 AM

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#1-norm-fan 08-27-2012 12:28 AM

... Well, fuck.

#1-norm-fan 08-27-2012 12:30 AM

Kinda wish Benoit had won the last one now to make this easier...

Wishbone 08-27-2012 12:45 AM

Wow... this is like asking which of your children do you love more... uh... I guess Hogan based solely on the fact that he had a slightly bigger impact on the business.

Supreme Olajuwon 08-27-2012 12:47 AM

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#1-norm-fan 08-27-2012 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Wishbone (Post 3958623)
Wow... this is like asking which of your children do you love more... uh... I guess Hogan based solely on the fact that he had a slightly bigger impact on the business.

I'd say more than slightly...

Kane Knight 08-27-2012 12:49 AM

I liked Savage more as a kid. That's it.

Wishbone 08-27-2012 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 3958628)
I'd say more than slightly...

Notice I said on the business and not outside the business. Hogan is bigger world wide and non-wrestling fans know who he is, but any fan of wrestling even the kiddies recognize Macho Man just as well as Hogan. Hogan had a MUCH bigger impact on the world but Savage and him both had huge impacts in the wrestling world.

Kane Knight 08-27-2012 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wishbone (Post 3958634)
Notice I said on the business and not outside the business. Hogan is bigger world wide and non-wrestling fans know who he is, but any fan of wrestling even the kiddies recognize Macho Man just as well as Hogan. Hogan had a MUCH bigger impact on the world but Savage and him both had huge impacts in the wrestling world.

One could argue they are one and the same in the larger picture. Not entirely sure if I agree with that, but I can see where he could be coming from.

Skippord 08-27-2012 01:14 AM

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#1-norm-fan 08-27-2012 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wishbone (Post 3958634)
Notice I said on the business and not outside the business. Hogan is bigger world wide and non-wrestling fans know who he is, but any fan of wrestling even the kiddies recognize Macho Man just as well as Hogan. Hogan had a MUCH bigger impact on the world but Savage and him both had huge impacts in the wrestling world.

I'd still say business-wise it's Hogan and then a pretty big gap. Hogan in his time was THE guy and everyone else was just a supporting character. Granted that Savage was arguably THE top supporting character but as far as who helped the business thrive, I don't think it's that close.

Are they close to the same level as far as recognition within wrestling? Yeah. You'd be hard pressed to find any wrestling fans who don't know of either one. But there's a difference between being recognizable within the business and having an impact on the business. On the latter, I don't think it's that close.

Supreme Olajuwon 08-27-2012 01:30 AM

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Wishbone 08-27-2012 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 3958640)
I'd still say business-wise it's Hogan and then a pretty big gap. Hogan in his time was THE guy and everyone else was just a supporting character. Granted that Savage was arguably THE top supporting character but as far as who helped the business thrive, I don't think it's that close.

Are they close to the same level as far as recognition within wrestling? Yeah. You'd be hard pressed to find any wrestling fans who don't know of either one. But there's a difference between being recognizable within the business and having an impact on the business. On the latter, I don't think it's that close.

True enough I suppose. It's all about perception I guess. Honestly though I'd think that given the fact that allot of guys seem to imitate Macho Man even today that he's got a very lasting legacy in the business. He may not have made nearly as much money as Hogan but he must have done something right to get so many people to 'channel' his stuff over the years.

Lock Jaw 08-27-2012 01:32 AM

As a kid, I enjoyed Randy Savage more.

As a teen, I enjoyed Hollywood Hogan more.

As an "adult", I enjoy Randy Savage more. Talking about when I go back and watch old stuff obviously.

Macho Man wins two falls out of three.

Wishbone 08-27-2012 01:33 AM

I don't know I guess I'm looking at it from a fan perspective instead of a business one. I mean do you think that kids today who love wrestling are gonna look back and think only of Cena when they remember WWE? I gotta believe guys like Orton, HHH, and even Punk will be regarded as legends in their time.

Kane Knight 08-27-2012 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wishbone (Post 3958645)
I don't know I guess I'm looking at it from a fan perspective instead of a business one. I mean do you think that kids today who love wrestling are gonna look back and think only of Cena when they remember WWE? I gotta believe guys like Orton, HHH, and even Punk will be regarded as legends in their time.

That doesn't mean they're remotely equivalent. I mean, the Rock and Austin are thenames of the Attitude Era, and while there were others, the recognition falls off starting right there.

Wishbone 08-27-2012 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Kane Knight (Post 3958646)
That doesn't mean they're remotely equivalent. I mean, the Rock and Austin are thenames of the Attitude Era, and while there were others, the recognition falls off starting right there.

Exactly but Hogan and Macho Man were basically the Rock and Austin of the 80's.

Lock Jaw 08-27-2012 01:46 AM

I don't ever look at it in terms of who "did more for the business". I look at who entertained me the most.

Wishbone 08-27-2012 01:47 AM

On another note I just realized that this may be the first time in wrestling that there hasn't been 2 'top' guys. I mean look at the 80's and even early 90's you got Macho and Hogan, you arguably had Bret and HBK for a while, and the Attitude Era had Rock and Austin, but since then it's been sorta bleh. Then comes Super Cena but to this day we don't have another side to that coin. Makes me sad really. :'(

Wishbone 08-27-2012 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 3958655)
I don't ever look at it in terms of who "did more for the business". I look at who entertained me the most.

Well from that standpoint I stand by my vote then as I've enjoyed Hogan's work since I was a kid but allot of Macho's stuff never got me interested until I went back and saw it again recently.

Wishbone 08-27-2012 01:50 AM

'Course my whole outlook on this one is from looking back as I didn't start watching until the mid 90's when both guys were starting to 'step down' a bit.

Supreme Olajuwon 08-27-2012 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wishbone (Post 3958657)
On another note I just realized that this may be the first time in wrestling that there hasn't been 2 'top' guys. I mean look at the 80's and even early 90's you got Macho and Hogan, you arguably had Bret and HBK for a while, and the Attitude Era had Rock and Austin, but since then it's been sorta bleh. Then comes Super Cena but to this day we don't have another side to that coin. Makes me sad really. :'(

Ah so this is why CM Punk was mad.

Juan 08-27-2012 01:55 AM

Fuck it, Savage.

Keith 08-27-2012 01:59 AM

You know how I said in the last poll, which was between Hogan and Benoit, that there were only a couple of people that I'd vote over Hulk Hogan but Chris Benoit isn't one of them?

Well, my friends, Randy Savage is.

"Macho Man" all the way.

Wishbone 08-27-2012 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon (Post 3958661)
Ah so this is why CM Punk was mad.

Nah he's made cause Cena made him ride his stupid car and never paid him with the large fry he promised.

Wishbone 08-27-2012 02:01 AM

mad even

Rock Bottom 08-27-2012 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wishbone (Post 3958653)
Exactly but Hogan and Macho Man were basically the Rock and Austin of the 80's.

Yeah, and Adam West was the Christian Bale of the 60's.

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no they werent. shut up.

anyway, voting for Hogan.

Keith 08-27-2012 03:06 AM

Randy Savage was a better wrestler, had more charisma, and was better on the mic than Hulk Hogan.

Every "Macho Man" promo was unique, where Hogan did the same shit over and over again.

#1-norm-fan 08-27-2012 03:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 3958655)
I don't ever look at it in terms of who "did more for the business". I look at who entertained me the most.

I do too. And even then, something just makes me wanna go Savage. I feel like I'm brainwashed a little into remembering being more entertained by Hogan than I really was and less entertained by Savage than I really was by the way I've seen them since their WWF days.

CSL 08-27-2012 04:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wishbone (Post 3958653)
Exactly but Hogan and Macho Man were basically the Rock and Austin of the 80's.

Hogan was the Rock and Austin of the 80's. Nobody comes remotely close to touching him in that regard, not even (for all of his greatness) Randy Savage.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith (Post 3958676)
Randy Savage was a better wrestler, had more charisma, and was better on the mic than Hulk Hogan.

Every "Macho Man" promo was unique, where Hogan did the same shit over and over again.

I don't know if you're being serious here

Keith 08-27-2012 04:38 AM

Oh, I definitely am being serious.

It's not even close.

CSL 08-27-2012 04:45 AM

lol I see

Keith 08-27-2012 04:51 AM

If you want to vote for Hogan over Savage in terms of overall impact on the wrestling business, bringing exposure to the wrestling business and merchandise sales, go ahead.

But you can't say he was a better in-ring performer or was better on the mic than "Macho Man".

CSL 08-27-2012 04:55 AM

I didn't say who I think is better in those regards. But to flat out say Savage was the better promo guy and especially the more charismatic guy and it's not even close is complete (excuse the pun) madness.

Keith 08-27-2012 04:56 AM

LOL come on, dude.

CSL 08-27-2012 04:57 AM

same goes for every Savage promo being unique and Hogan "doing the same shit".

CSL 08-27-2012 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Keith (Post 3958700)
LOL come on, dude.

?

You're remembering Hogan's catchphrases and forgetting everything that came in between whilst forgetting that Savage did pretty much the same thing. They cut very similar promos. They were both great, especially from 1986-ish through to around 1989/1990.

Keith 08-27-2012 05:01 AM

Ok.


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