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Kris P Lettus 11-02-2012 11:45 PM

UFC 154
 
Main Card

WW Title Unification
GSP vs Condit

Kampman vs Hendricks

Lawlor vs Carmont

Ring vs Philippou

Hominick vs Garza

Good fights on the prelims also..

Solid all around topped of with GSP's return..

MoFo 11-03-2012 11:59 AM

Kampmann is a fking BAWSE.

Idk man I think Condit got this.

Kris P Lettus 11-03-2012 01:16 PM

Condit vs GSP: I think they are pretty even on the feet.. I think that GSP will be able to take Carlos down and keep him there.. This fight all depends on if Condit can sink a sub from his back, which he has done before..

Kampman vs Hendrick: Hitman is a smart veteran with power in his hands.. Hendricks is a little pittbull with more power in his hands.. I think Hendrick's wrestling will be the difference..

Lawlor vs Carmont: Both guys are submissions experts and both have won fights on the feet.. I give the experience striking edge to Carmont, as he has been training with Firas Zahabi..

Krimzon7 11-04-2012 08:51 AM

Filthy Tom Lawlor FTW.


I think GSP is going to lose. I wouldn't bet on it and i love both fighters, but I got that gut feeling man...

Kris P Lettus 11-04-2012 10:55 AM

I like Lawlor's shenanegans but it seems when he does that he is distracted from the fight.. Carmont is all fight..

Next Big Thing 11-07-2012 02:56 PM

http://www.cagewall.com/wp-content/u...gsp-condit.jpg

This picture is a joke.

What's the point of a guy being the "interim champion" if he doesn't defend the title in the interim? Condit didn't beat the champion and he didn't fight anyone after "winning" the interim title with shitty leg kicks. This fight shouldn't be marketed as champion vs. champion. UFC titles are nothing more than gimmicks these days.

GSP is going to beat Condit via boring decision because he's the better athlete, more well rounded and, unlike Nick Diaz, isn't ashamed to check leg kicks.

Kris P Lettus 11-07-2012 03:54 PM

GSP is calling Condit a champion due to the fact that GSP is supposed to defend his title once a year.. It's been more than a year so in his eyes, his title is vacated and Condit is the "real" champion..

He talks about it in that special UFC Ultimate Insider has been doing on his rehab..

Next Big Thing 11-07-2012 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus (Post 4025329)
GSP is calling Condit a champion due to the fact that GSP is supposed to defend his title once a year.. It's been more than a year so in his eyes, his title is vacated and Condit is the "real" champion..

He talks about it in that special UFC Ultimate Insider has been doing on his rehab..

That's retarded. In that same time span, the "champion" has zero title defenses. Sounds more like GSP being the company man and saying all the right stuff to give Condit credibility than actually believing some dimwitted logic like that.

Flair said it best, "To be the man, you have to beat the man."

CSL 11-07-2012 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Next Big Thing (Post 4025295)
UFC titles are nothing more than gimmicks these days.

bit of a stretch

Crimson 11-07-2012 08:11 PM

I'd say the interim champion just should never be brought back. Might confuse the casual fan..and really what's the point?

If anything after a year or year n a half if the champ can't defend just vacate the title.

weather vane 11-07-2012 08:58 PM

Who cares? Condit is the interim champ and GSP is the "real" champion.

We will find out who is the undisputed champion very soon.

Crimson 11-07-2012 09:37 PM

If Condit wins it'll spoil a GSP/Silva possibility. But it might spark a Bones/Silva matchup even more. That's a better fight anyway. If GSP wins there's the rumor that Silva will challenge him in the ocatogon right there.

Kris P Lettus 11-07-2012 09:40 PM

If they fight, it will be at 185 not 170..

Krimzon7 11-07-2012 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crimson (Post 4025628)
If Condit wins it'll spoil a GSP/Silva possibility. But it might spark a Bones/Silva matchup even more. That's a better fight anyway. If GSP wins there's the rumor that Silva will challenge him in the ocatogon right there.

that rumour was all but confirmed. Hell that's worth buying the PPV...seeing that fight get made that night would be amazing.

weather vane 11-08-2012 02:09 AM

GSP will win. Silva will challenge. It will be so hot.

Next Big Thing 11-08-2012 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus (Post 4025630)
If they fight, it will be at 185 not 170..

Actually, it's supposed to be at a catchweight because GSP doesn't want to fight permanently at 185 and Anderson has the potential to go lower than 185.

Jura 11-08-2012 08:56 AM

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MoFo 11-08-2012 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Next Big Thing (Post 4025295)
http://www.cagewall.com/wp-content/u...gsp-condit.jpg

This picture is a joke.

What's the point of a guy being the "interim champion" if he doesn't defend the title in the interim? Condit didn't beat the champion and he didn't fight anyone after "winning" the interim title with shitty leg kicks. This fight shouldn't be marketed as champion vs. champion. UFC titles are nothing more than gimmicks these days.

GSP is going to beat Condit via boring decision because he's the better athlete, more well rounded and, unlike Nick Diaz, isn't ashamed to check leg kicks.



Barao is doing the same shit @ bantamweight, love the guy but fuck me its stupid and just clogs up the division.

Kris P Lettus 11-08-2012 12:16 PM

http://espn.go.com/mma/story/_/id/86...erre-megafight

Kris P Lettus 11-13-2012 08:57 PM

Is no one pumped for this fight??

I think GSP will wrestlefuck a win but with ring rust and the fact that Condit is a killer makes this fight very interesting..

Pumped for the whole card actually.. Best card since 148..

Krimzon7 11-13-2012 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus (Post 4030925)
Is no one pumped for this fight??

I think GSP will wrestlefuck a win but with ring rust and the fact that Condit is a killer makes this fight very interesting..

Pumped for the whole card actually.. Best card since 148..

answered your own question. But I'm gonna watch just in case NBK pulls off the WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU SEE THAT moment of the century

Next Big Thing 11-13-2012 10:53 PM

I'm not pumped for this fight or this card to be honest. I like Philipou and Hendricks vs. Kampman should be a good one, but not one I'd drop $60 to see.

Felt like there was more talk of GSP/Silva at Cowboy Stadium then there was about GSP/Condit at times.

Kris P Lettus 11-13-2012 10:56 PM

Its cause fans are stupid.. GSP Silva will not happen.. If anything, Silva will fight Bones..

Kris P Lettus 11-13-2012 10:57 PM

Silva came out yesterday and said he doesn't want to fight till the end of 2013..

Kris P Lettus 11-13-2012 10:58 PM

Will still have Nick Diaz/GSP..

Next Big Thing 11-13-2012 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus (Post 4031086)
Silva came out yesterday and said he doesn't want to fight till the end of 2013..

I feel like he's pissed off about something and posturing for Dana to kiss his ass. Maybe he's upset about facing off against another roider in his last fight with Bonnar. Seems like everytime he moves up in weight, his opponent is on something.

OR

Sitting out until 13 is brilliant because they could have Anderson vacate the title and have Belfort & Bisping fight for the title in January. The winner of that can fight the winner of Weidman and Boetsch.

With Anderson on the sidelines, you could just have him fight a showcase fight of whoever was available between JBJ and GSP.

Next Big Thing 11-13-2012 11:15 PM

Either way Silva has the potential to screw with three different divisions. If GSP wins, Dana's hard on for GSP/Silva would rage and fuck over Nick Diaz and whoever wins between Kampman and Hendricks.

If JBJ beats Sonnen in April, he's the most logical and most likely to actually put up a strong challenge to Anderson Silva. This is a fight I'd actually want to see. HOWEVA, Hendo would probably get fucked.

Then there's the 185 division that would just be floating if Silva decides to only fight once next year.

Kris P Lettus 11-14-2012 08:45 AM

Silva has some movie deals in the works, wants time off, and I think contractually, he earned it with the quick turn around between Sonnen and Bonnar..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Next Big Thing (Post 4031093)
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Sitting out until 13 is brilliant because they could have Anderson vacate the title and have Belfort & Bisping fight for the title in January. The winner of that can fight the winner of Weidman and Boetsch.

Bisping is pushing for this.. I think it would be more fair to have it be both fights in a mini tourney, the winners face each other, then have Silva face the overall winner upon his return..

I don't have a problem with this other than Alan Belchar is getting fucked..

As for 170, you still have options either way.. If GSP wins, have him fight the winner of Kampman and Hendricks with Condit rematching with a returning Diaz.. If Condit wins have him face the winner of Hitman/Big Rig, and have GSP fight Diaz..

It would make sense during this time (if Jones beats Sonnen ofcoarse) to have Silva move up for a super fight with Jones at the end of 2013.. If this happens and Silva wins, you already have a legit earned champ in his place at 185 and he'd get better fights at 205..

Silva is a different kind of monster.. Every other HOF'er of past has lost their respected titles before they got to this point so the UFC could just use them as they see fit to make awesome fights.. They did it with Liddell, Couture, Penn, Hughes, etc.. Silva's problem is he just won't lose and doesn't look like there is enough BEEF at 185 to dethrone him, for lack of a better term..

As I said a few weeks ago, GSP/Silva is still interesting, but at this point that's not THE fight.. Maybe two years ago, but not now.. Now THE fight is Bones/Silva, and I thinks that alot closer to happening than any other superfight in the next year..

Kris P Lettus 11-14-2012 09:07 AM

Move Hendo back down to 185 and give him the winner of those fights..

Next Big Thing 11-14-2012 12:15 PM

I think Weidman is a fighter who presents problems for Silva. He's got strong wrestling (although it may not be on par with Chael's), finishing power and unlike Sonnen, he's got very good jiu jitsu. If he continues to win and doesn't get a shot at Silva, I think it would be a shame. Bisping deserves a shot too, but I don't see him pushing Silva.

I don't see Silva staying at 205 even if he beat Jones in a super fight. Plus, if Silva knocks off Jones (who has run through everyone up there), seeing Anderson fight those same guys wouldn't really have much appeal either.

As far as GSP/Silva goes, I don't want to see that fight at all. GSP wants a catchweight, Anderson goes up to 205 on short notice like it's nothing. Dude towered over Chael and he's a former LHW too. Silva's size will be too much for GSP. Plus, both guys are smart fighters who aren't going to engage unless there's an opening. That fight would end really early with a devastating Silva KO or go to a very boring decision that pisses a lot of people off.

Jones/Silva is more intriguing, but even if Jones does knock off Silva, it wouldn't be as big a feather in Jones' cap considering the age gap and size differences between Jones and Silva. If Silva was four years younger or goes on TRT maybe, but not now.

Next Big Thing 11-14-2012 12:20 PM

I wonder if Nick Diaz would leapfrog Hendricks and Kampman for a title shot if that fight was a dud and GSP won? They could probably do a high six figure buyrate with GSP/Diaz, I don't think they come close with GSP vs. the other two dudes.

Kris P Lettus 11-14-2012 12:28 PM

Weidman is a stud but only has one win against a legit contender (Munoz) IMO.. Sure he slaughter him :( but I think he needs more wins to be a true number 1.. A win over Boetsch will be big for him..

As for Silva, I think the natural progression is at 205.. It's a more natural weight for him and regardless of what Bones has done, think of Rashad, Shogun, Texiera, even Rampage.. And we can always hope for a Machida match..

Big Vic 11-14-2012 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Next Big Thing (Post 4031093)
I feel like he's pissed off about something and posturing for Dana to kiss his ass. Maybe he's upset about facing off against another roider in his last fight with Bonnar. Seems like everytime he moves up in weight, his opponent is on something.

People are speculating he's doing this to get offered more money.

Kris P Lettus 11-14-2012 07:03 PM

HE IS GOING TO BE IN MOVIES

That's it.. His current contract is for like 1 title defense a year, as I said earlier, he "took one for the team" and fought Bonnar like 12 weeks after the Sonnen fight.. He now wants time off to act in movies he is contracted to be in.. Plus in MMA years dude is like 100.. Not only is he 37, but since 2006 he has fought atleast 2 times a year.. All of those fights being against TOP TIER competition (minus Travis Lutter LOL).. Out of his 16 UFC fights in the past 6 years, ALL have been either championship fights or in a higher weight class, except the Leban fight, who at the time Silva destroyed him, was on the verge of getting a title shot..

It may seem like I'm riding his jock but he is the greatest fighter of all time IMO.. And as I mentioned earlier, every other UFC "hall of fame" caliber fighter at this point in their respective careers had ALL lost their titles so UFC could use them sparingly in "super fights"..

Silva is a different monster and he has def earned a say in what he does and who he fights..

Krimzon7 11-15-2012 06:05 PM

isn't 2013 the last year of Jon Jones at LHW? Didnt he mention that he was gonna start packing on the pounds to fight the Bigguns? If Silva doesn't hop in the Octagon now against Bones, that fight won't happen.

GSP had better be worried about Condit.....:lol:

I couldn't even get that out before I realized the severity of the wrestlefuck coming Saturday

Kris P Lettus 11-15-2012 06:19 PM

Condit has good takedown defense but I think GSP is stronger than him..

MoFo 11-15-2012 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Next Big Thing (Post 4031408)
I wonder if Nick Diaz would leapfrog Hendricks and Kampman for a title shot if that fight was a dud and GSP won? They could probably do a high six figure buyrate with GSP/Diaz, I don't think they come close with GSP vs. the other two dudes.

:rant:

Kampmann never has bad fights guy, always makes it a tear-up. Love that guy (so :foc: )

Wouldn't mind if Kampmann had to fight Diaz after it for #1 contender though.

Next Big Thing 11-15-2012 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krimzon7 (Post 4032576)
I couldn't even get that out before I realized the severity of the wrestlefuck coming Saturday

So much wrestlefuck that instead of vaseline, they may as well use Wet Original.

Kris P Lettus 11-15-2012 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoFo (Post 4032607)

Wouldn't mind if Kampmann had to fight Diaz after it for #1 contender though.

I think the winner of Kampman/Hendricks should get the title shot and Diaz should face the loser of GSP/Condit.. Either you get the much anticipated GSP/Diaz or a Diaz/Condit rematch..

TBH Hendricks should have gotten the shot after the Fitch KO, and then again after the Kos fight..

Crimson 11-15-2012 09:33 PM

Not a bad idea on the Diaz vs. loser. idk I have a feeling Condit might pull an upset here with all this GSP/Silva hype.


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